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kae_ae
post Jun 8 2010, 04:47 PM

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been avoiding the iphone despite liking ipod touch n ipad. this ver. is the one to get O.O
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post Jun 9 2010, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jun 9 2010, 10:42 AM)
the video call is pointless to begin with,can only connect to wi fi and call to other iphone 4 users at the moment
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Wtf? Thats b.s.

Initial reaction i was very impressed but after getting over the hype the only thing im looking fwd is the lowering of prices for 3gs version. I do like the new casing design n the higher res screen n cam is great but doesnt look like worth early adopting. But thats just me considering anything towards 3k is exorbitant for h.p.

But if its really only iphone to iphone is crap lah. For 3rd of the price a nokia can do that which fits the demographic of ppl who work/live away from family. Youre atuk/nenek sure terkial2 trying to work the iphone to talk to their cucu tongue.gif The front n back cam video calling feature is pretty neat tho.

Edit: n while im at it the need for flash is overrated lah (keep in mind adobe who absorbed macromedia was originally apple native) whaffor jobs bow down to tech oredi 10 years, most of u prolly were still in primary. The chance of others porting to apple more likely, not the other way around considering apple is so far the major player, as big potential as google phone we can be sure itll never overtake iphone in terms of market share. Ill stick with something thats ubiquitous rather than go for something niche (at least here in my lah) use iphone oredi call hipster kalau googlephone lagi lah uber hipster tongue.gif

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post Jun 9 2010, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(TakanoKyohei @ Jun 9 2010, 03:39 PM)
dude, im dont want to be rude or or offense you or anything but seriously if you think its crap or anything, don't buy it because iPhone is not meant for you

Buy Android phone maybe?
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i just post honest opinion. maybe u should reconsider ur definition of offensive comment. theres a difference between saying 'iphone sucks bcoz...' and 'ppl who buy iphone sucks'. i said something along the line of the former, not latter.

i am in fact an early adopter of both ipod touch n ipad, so its not like i anti apple or anything. try n re read back my post n you will find both pro n con opinion, not just hantam comment. all i'm saying is, if true the person i quoted, that video calling only for iphone to iphone, than not very practical in real world terms. its just like when iphone originally cannot group sms. of course you have to give negative feedback. tak kan u just want to sit back n say, ooo iphone like that, have to live with that lah. wth. consumption without discretion = fanboyism. faults should be highlighted, not glossed over.

(i oso think buying things for the sake of wow-ness is silly, but thats another topic.)


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post Jun 9 2010, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(frozzbyte @ Jun 9 2010, 04:05 PM)
About FaceTime (i always forget that name), give it sometime to evolve like other apps. It's not even out yet and here we start bashing it. Yes it's seems pointless making video call over wifi and only to iPhone 4 users but front facing camera and video calls have lots of potential especially to the jailbreaking community. It runs on wifi, some guy makes a patch and boom, it works with 3G and to other phones. Who knows ... just need to keep an open mind. BTW ... Apple just said it will operate on WiFi until the network there can cope with it.

p/s - I seldom see people do video calls on 3G even with other phones.
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i disagree JB as an option. i think its reasonable to say they waiting for infra to catch up, thats cool, they want ppl to catch up to standards, but it should not be something that you have to mod/custom to achieve full potential. but knowing apple theyll prolly let ppl develop as 3rd party n app store (add on, but legal mod lah) to allow, er, backward compatibility, sort of, to video call to other phone/generic standard, just because i think jobs kinda degil like that. he kind of like dr m used to be lah tongue.gif
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post Jun 9 2010, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 9 2010, 04:38 PM)
I don't think Jobs can stop third party developers from creating their own solution towards using the front camera for video chat that is compatible with other cellphone brands. Sure, it will look inferior compared to FaceTime, but at least it will appease the segment that wants backward compatibility with other cellphones and their video call mechanism.
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actually thats what i was trying to say, prolly available in app store by 3rd party rather than apple add as builtin feature.
i was just strongly disagreeing with the whole 'nevermind, can JB' as a viable solution to majority.
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post Jun 9 2010, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(frozzbyte @ Jun 9 2010, 04:58 PM)
Some people like their phone to remain 'virgin' and not JB.  biggrin.gif

There's always a solution to everything. I'm just saying that with JB, the phone can be more than what Apple had put on the table for us right now. Look at MMS, cut and paste, Apps like BiteSMS (which I can't live without), multitasking (although not as cool as Apple did), Folders and lots more. It's true to what you said that " it should not be something that you have to mod/custom to achieve full potential" but sometimes people tends to be less patient to wait for Apple to implement those features (like wallpapers on springboard). Mr Jobs is a trend setter, not a follower. Thats why he do what he thinks is right (just like Dr M la).

What do you mean by "3rd party n app store (add on, but legal mod lah)"? Mods done from JB consider illegal? For me, why I JB? I want to extend the functionality of my phone rather that stuck on limitation imposed by Apple (using JB for crack apps is the dark side of the force). iPhone is a wonderful piece of tech, full of potential but why need to limit it's potential. Apple said 1st gen iPhone can't do MMS because of hardware limitation, SwirlyMMS proves them wrong. And if you want to wait for MMS to come to iPhone 1st gen as 3rd party app in the appstore, then you're out of luck. That's what I meant by saying JB as an option. Apple said can only use wifi and only to iphone 4 for now, the JB community might not agree to that and do what they did with MMS.
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No offense to JBers, it is technically illegal to JB: it voids the warranty doesnt it? Thats why if u do returns make sure to restore it. My point was strictly to imply something basic should not be available only thru non-approved methods by the manufacturer. Its common sense. More so for a mass consumer product.

And its apparent that its gonna take awhile for apple to provide camera to ipod n ipad if at all. They want to push the iphone 1st, the ipad n ipod are more niche products. At best since iphone now got 5mp they give the 3.2mp cam to ipad n ipod. They will want to keep the 5mp exclusive to the iphone to boost sales.
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post Jun 9 2010, 10:46 PM

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Guys, Im aware its not court law illegal, i just meant JB is against term of use. So i dont think anybodys getting prosecuted.

Btw, the white version lool like the celah ss frame sure got banyak daki one tongue.gif thats why ipod classic had the bevel edge. Cool they gave option tho but i think the white look is played out, oredi many copy cat.
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post Jun 10 2010, 12:54 AM

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Can somebody tell me about the type of screen out there? Somebody noted that iphone 4 not used led backlight, weird considering ipad does.
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post Jun 10 2010, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Ojimaru @ Jun 10 2010, 06:52 AM)
From the iPhone 4 tech specs
The Retina display is really just a super high resolution IPS (in-plane switching) LCD display found in the Apple Cinema Display and iPad.

Speaking of which, I found it interesting that new iPhone-native apps will have such high resolution that the blow-up in the iPad display won't send you back to the 90s.
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WhAt i meant is, what it has in comparison to whats in the market compared to other smartphones. I was made to understand that ipad introduced led backlight for apple which uses less power, i might have misread tho.
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post Jun 10 2010, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(lok3i @ Jun 10 2010, 10:43 AM)
Just double chk, both ipad n iphone are ips but iphone lcd while ipad is led. Prolly cost/component issue. Plus theyre already compensating with new battery. If ipad is any indication apple has found optimum way to maximize screen time. I recognize apple is good with coming out marketing terms like retina display n facetime but it always amuses how they use to fool laymen, for technophile not easily fool lah.

That said knowing samsung who are screen specialist after all stuff like this is for bragging rights only n not real world practicalism. At hp size i dont think the diff is that discenible, layman just want to know if its bright enough lol

I also think its cool they make the os available for 3gs at least got options. So basically u get better cam, batt life, screen res while multitask can still use 3gs with new fimware, thats fair.
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post Jun 10 2010, 04:40 PM

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doubt they'd upgrade hardware so fast for iphone leh. sure tahan at least 2 years before they do major upgrade. but yah by that time could have iphone 5 oredi.

but again i doubt apple wants to compete on other manufacturers terms. like i said, samsung is screen specialist of course they terer in that, theyll never put out something that can be compared apple to apple with other hardware company coz they have less edge there (their edge being software/hardware integration).
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post Jun 10 2010, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(evrythincool @ Jun 10 2010, 09:38 PM)
engineered glass for the iPhone. Do we still need screen protectors and casing for this hardened glass?
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Wthecks a eng glass? Even tempered glass can scratch. Sapphire glass like luxury watch is anti scratch lah but gila mahal if as big as h.p.
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post Jun 11 2010, 12:10 AM

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Cool stuff on the screen info, tak pernah dengar pun. I dont mind scratches on the body but i wouldnt take chances with the screen. Pernah i play pick up bball and my ipod flew out of my pants pocket, nasib baik layup masuk lol. Its just peace of mind.

I actually lol at all these apple trolls. U know these guys cant resist coz u guys are so easy to troll. Even my US friend posting at macrumors pun concede apple homers over there pun are a tad sensitive, just put these a holes on ignore lah. I actually enjoy reading them coz damn farnee tongue.gif
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post Jun 13 2010, 12:55 PM

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From prev maxis release, how much will they reduce price of 3gs when 4 comes out, based on previous update from 3g to 3gs? Agak2 lah
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post Jun 18 2010, 01:34 AM

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Echo the warranty overrated sentiment. My phone shop who does iphone repair oso comment, he sent his iphone for service n it took a month n he was like, dammit if i did myself could have fix in 2-3 days XD

But id advise oso against jumping the gun and taking risk. Personally i deal with - parties that guarantee 100% returns - or situation where i can test item on spot at purchase. Standard lah: buyer beware.
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post Jun 18 2010, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ojimaru @ Jun 18 2010, 12:51 PM)
Foreign companies cannot open an outlet in Malaysia without a local/bumi distributor. Since having a local distributor means <100% control, Apple being Apple, told us to go fly kite.
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sounds like steve jobs alright tongue.gif

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