What's the fuss with flash? iPhone already have flash wut ... LED sumore.

Seriously for those that says flash runs on Android ... yes it runs but at a serious cost to its browsing speed and battery. I've seen a youtube video where they test froyo (with flash enable) with iPhone OS on browsing speed, the android drops down in speed until they need to disable flash and redo the testing.

Why want flash on iPhone? watch youtube ... got an app for that. Just to play farmville? now they're making an app for it.


p/s - I know the flash debate sudah lama habis, just happens that only now I have time to give a piece of my crap. And davidgary ... jangan ban saya aaaaaa.

And for those who like to give a sarcastic one liner to those spoonfeeders ... rather than you do that, why don't you just post a one liner of the FAQ links or stickied threads so there won't be cat fights.

Just a suggestions laaaa. Like they always say "If you don't have anything good to say, just shut your pie hole".

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Added on June 9, 2010, 3:14 pmAnd where did you get that idea from?

AFAIK ... you can't customize the ringtone directly even in iOS4 (unless it's one of the new features that wasn't broadcasted).

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Jun 9 2010, 03:14 PM

There are other criteria that make a phone a smartphone. If you definition of a smartphone is having the ability to customize a ringtone on the phone, than I also have nothing to say about your definition of a smartphone. If you think it's not smart enough, then you might consider other smart phone (as some of us here thinks, customizing ringtone on your phone is not that of a BIG issue).

p/s - Apple can't please all segments of the phone markets. Later people will say "iPhone can't be call a smartphone because it can't fetch coke from the fridge". If you like it, you buy. If you don't, buy other smartphone.

@Jimsee
I wonder if you have an iPhone of your own? If you do, then why did you get it in the first place?

This got a big response because of you put down a phone (in iPhone section sumore with tonnes of diehard fans) because of small small petty things.

All phones have limitations, you should know this before you purchase one rather that bashing it later.

About FaceTime (i always forget that name), give it sometime to evolve like other apps. It's not even out yet and here we start bashing it. Yes it's seems pointless making video call over wifi and only to iPhone 4 users but front facing camera and video calls have lots of potential especially to the jailbreaking community. It runs on wifi, some guy makes a patch and boom, it works with 3G and to other phones. Who knows ... just need to keep an open mind. BTW ... Apple just said it will operate on WiFi until the network there can cope with it.

p/s - I seldom see people do video calls on 3G even with other phones.

Some people like their phone to remain 'virgin' and not JB.

There's always a solution to everything. I'm just saying that with JB, the phone can be more than what Apple had put on the table for us right now. Look at MMS, cut and paste, Apps like BiteSMS (which I can't live without), multitasking (although not as cool as Apple did), Folders and lots more. It's true to what you said that " it should not be something that you have to mod/custom to achieve full potential" but sometimes people tends to be less patient to wait for Apple to implement those features (like wallpapers on springboard). Mr Jobs is a trend setter, not a follower. Thats why he do what he thinks is right (just like Dr M la).

What do you mean by "3rd party n app store (add on, but legal mod lah)"? Mods done from JB consider illegal? For me, why I JB? I want to extend the functionality of my phone rather that stuck on limitation imposed by Apple (using JB for crack apps is the dark side of the force). iPhone is a wonderful piece of tech, full of potential but why need to limit it's potential. Apple said 1st gen iPhone can't do MMS because of hardware limitation, SwirlyMMS proves them wrong. And if you want to wait for MMS to come to iPhone 1st gen as 3rd party app in the appstore, then you're out of luck. That's what I meant by saying JB as an option. Apple said can only use wifi and only to iphone 4 for now, the JB community might not agree to that and do what they did with MMS.

Yes ... It might appear in the app store as a 3rd party apps but when or will it be approve by Apple ... we don't know. You know la Apple and their app approval process (I assume you know la).

It's not the matter of 'nevermind, can JB' as a viable solution to majority but as an option to those that are looking for it. By option I mean, if you want something but need to JB but you don't want to JB then don't JB. Wait for Apple or 3rd party to implement it. If you think you can't wait and want it and JB is OK with you then proceed. That's what I say options ... your choice. Maybe you think JB is not a viable solution to majority but atleast it provide options to some.

p/s - kae_ae ... I don't have anything against you, just saying the other side of the coin.

Yes ... JB also opens the system to piracy. That's why I put it as the dark side of JB. You need to see the original reason people especially The Dev Team create JB. Now people only associates JB with piracy because people tend to see the bad sides first than the good ones.

Some people are cheapskates, can buy thousands of ringgit worth of phone but can't spend few ringgit on apps but that's just the mentality of most malaysian. Why pay when you can get free.

Actually JB only technically illegal according to Apple's terms. Voiding a warranty does not equal to illegal action. Thats why there are organizations in the states that fights for the right to 'liberate' their iPhone (can't remember the organization though). BTW if you change the rim of your car during its warranty period, it also voids the warranty but people still change their rims.

Your statement is true and I second it but what if even that' something basic' is not made available by the manufacturer? We just sit by and let thing slide with 'Apple said kenot then konot la, what to do' attitude? iPhone is a very user friendly phone to the mass consumer where they don't need to know all the technicals behind it. For the average joe's and jane's, they don't bother with jb because they don't want to mess their heads with DFU, baseband, bootloader etc. As long as it works, then its good for them. Then there's the 'power users' that likes to squeeze every bit of the potential out of their devices, just like overclockers, pc modders and the likes. People that want to put wallpaper on their springboard (before iOS4), change their app icons, use application that's been rejected by appstore etc have to resort to jb. You have to remember, almost all the good stuff you find in the iOS comes to the jb scene first. Not to imply that Apple copies them, it's just that it already exist for jb devices and Apple made it more elegant and super cool (because they hold the source code to the coolest phone OS ever).

It's hard to justify jb to people if jb = piracy to them. The bad qualities always overshadow the good ones. Let me give you a situation back then when MMS was not made available. Apple said email is the next MMS. Well that may applied to them but imagine you have something to show your father that's not IT savvy and what more to say having an email address, but he have a MMS enable phone. So what's your solution? That what droves those iPhone Dev Team to circumvent the limitation imposed by Apple by not giving 'something basic' to the people that needs them. I jb my device because I need biteSMS (as the stock one does not meet my needs), winterboard (so I can have a very personalize, unique phone that only I have), youtube downloader (so I don't need to wait for the vids to redownload if I want to watch it back or show it to my friends), SBSettings (for shortcuts @ springboard and in apps, not because I'm lazy), backgrounder for multitasking (to use BeeJive which I purchase thru AppStore while doing something else), OpenSSH (make manual backups, edit IPCC files) and lots more. I bought biteSMS and other apps from Cydia because I believe in supporting those app developers that put out a good apps. Their apps won't make it to the AppStore. Just because Apple don't allow those app (maybe because it compete with the stock app), they have to abandon their ideas? I see the Jb scene as something that breeds creativity thats been limited by Apple (which they implement it later as their own features). Why do you think Joe Hewitt, creator of facebook for iPhone quit developing for iPhone platform? Because Apple limits what he can and can't do for his app.

OK lah ... I should just stop ranting on JB since this thread is not about JB at all. Why I kept on ranting also I dunno, maybe too much time on my hand right now. Hahahahahahaha. From what i can deduce from JB scene:

1. People who don't JB because they think it's illegal and they are contented with what Apple gives them
2. People that thinks they can get more that what Apple give them
3. People that JB just for the sake of saving a few bucks in buying apps and gives JB a bad name

It is a mentality problem of "why pay when you can get for free". I used to be a programmer so I appreciate the blood and sweat it takes to make an app. Just give them some credit for their effort.

I'm going black all the way ... Whites with the sensors 'grill' on top looks out of place or something ... mencacatkan pemandangan. I know where my bonus going to go next month. Have to put other project on hold first.

The gyroscope is one of the new sensors beside accelerometer, proximity sensor and ambient light sensor. So it's definitely a hardware than software. Not sure where you got the idea it was software base.

A sim is just a sim no matter normal or micro. They can program the sim for data or for voice, just that they want to or not. Don't be mislead that the micro sim from maxis can only be use in iPad for data only.

Yes I do agree with you that the current micro sim jz meant for data because thats what they are currently offering now. If there are lots of demand for it (like iPad did, thats why maxis brought in micro sim), then they will cater for it. Thats money for them. What's the difference between the micro sim for iPad and the micro sim in iPhone 4, besides its currently for data? Right now, with the normal sim you can switch phone only, phone + data or data only without changing sim card. Now it's the matter whether maxis allows it or not.

Right now we can only speculate as the phone itself is not launch yet.

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Added on June 13, 2010, 10:07 pmjust want to add, if maxis did allow for phone on the micro sim right now, where do we want to use it? I think there's no phone right now in malaysia that using the micro sim right?

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Jun 13 2010, 10:07 PM

If that is the case, then why Singapore also don't have an official Apple Store?