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Ojimaru
post Jun 9 2010, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(kayweng @ Jun 9 2010, 11:07 AM)
do the Steve got mention about HTML5 ? so when v upgrade 3GS to newer version to get new features which mean our 3GS can support flash ?~~~
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HTML5 has nothing to do with Flash. In fact, HTML5 aims to remove the need for Flash for rich content.

Answer: No.

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Question: iOS 4.0 will introduce iAds from July 1. Looking at the iAd demos, won't they murder us with data charges?

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post Jun 9 2010, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 9 2010, 11:31 AM)
Only if you click to open the additional contents. Notice that iAds are just small banners at the bottom, either part of the game you've downloaded or a splash banner at the bottom. If the iAd is part of the game, it is downloaded together with the game, and will remain dormant as it is, until you tap it to expand. If it is part of the webpage you're surfing, the same applies. Only when you start accessing it that additional content are open to you and if you choose to explore further, additional downloads would be necessary. If you leave it alone, nothing will happen.
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Then I wonder if Apple will impose a new rule for apps to not allow key UI functions to be placed to close to the iAd banners.

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post Jun 9 2010, 12:56 PM

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ZDNet's hands-on with FroYo and Gaia

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 9 2010, 12:49 PM)
Seriously, Flash is excess baggage Apple can do without. Nobody wants to carry that bloated mess around.
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Actually, one tends to hear from lots of people who miss their silly browser-based Flash games. XP (Was gonna say Farmville, but there's an App for that).
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post Jun 9 2010, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(angelflames @ Jun 9 2010, 01:56 PM)
I'm sorry what? Farmville app?
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Yes, Zynga announced a Farmville app with full Facebook integration on stage during WWDC.
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post Jun 9 2010, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 9 2010, 04:50 PM)
Good question. This in an uncharted territory we're going through since no other phone has this kind of material and design. I hope they figure out how not to have that scenario you've describe from happening.

I've also figure out WHY the design is no longer curvy at the edges, and had to be flat. Watch the FaceTime video posted on Apple.com. At one instance in that video, there's two girls video-calling on FaceTime and one girl was showing the other what dress/clothes to wear while the other comments. If the edges are curvy, I guesss you cant make the iPhone stand on end without toppling over, and you'd need a dock with perpendicular angle to do that. The girl left the iPhone standing on a flat surface to make this happen, and it works since the bottom end is now flat, instead of curvy. Same reasoning if you're planning to use this in landscape mode. This also makes the new iPhone perfect for taking time-delay photos since you can rest it on a flat surface, and possible invoke command to snap pics by gestures like winking or using Bluetooth remote.
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That's an interesting point on the flat edges. It'll likely be very noticeable once third-party cases are made and differentiate those that allow for the phone to stand on its side and those that don't. Also, I can't seem to find enough info about the Bumpers. Are they made of rubber? How much roundness do they add to the edges?

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Contrary to some of the opinions published here, I believe video call is a great tool of communication. In fact, I'm a heavy video caller and it's a feature that I would love to use on iPhone. Particularly because my wife, my sisters and even my parents have video call feature on their phone.

Not really indulge and reading much into the technology behind FaceTime, but it seems like a different method of technology that departs from the current video call that we have now. Other than the optional JB, it seems that FaceTime might not be compatible with other phone even they have release FW which able to use 3G.

If that's really the case, my omnia has to stay on.

FaceTime is an open standard for video calling and is not compatible (yet?) with other existing 3G video calling technology. While I expect FaceTime to be incorporated into iChat and Skype, with its current restrictions, it really isn't that much better than those two clients, except the portability of the device. Even if it allowed video calls over 3G, data charges will likely be very prohibitive for frequent use.

For me the front-facing camera begs
1) facial recognition apps,
2) gesture interfaces, and
3) Chat Roulette XD
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post Jun 9 2010, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Kernkraft400 @ Jun 9 2010, 06:51 PM)
I might be kidding, but with the announcement of iPhone 4 and FaceTime; I reckon the number of divorce cases world wide would sky-rocketed. Husband on the line with mistress on the other side. BOOOM. I will say no more.
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Big screen + high resolution video = death/evolution of sexting?

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i watched the keynote podcast n the video n sound quality when Jobs facetimed (?) Ives is kinda similar to iChat (on my connection anyway). is it better than our normal 3g videocalls? i cant compare with my experience cuz my phone has a small screen heheh

You'll likely get a similar, if not better experience on the desktop, but having the same functionality on the phone does a difference. To bring up an analogy, it's similar to the introduction of integrated cameras on phones. While many know they can get better picture control and quality using full blown digital cameras or (D)SLRs, most tend to shoot more pictures and videos using their camera phones because it's less intrusive and much more spontaneous. So while it's technically better to get on the desktop for a video chat, the ability to do it on the phone means you don't need to be in front of the computer monitor and all the fuss that comes with it. Simple example, which is easier: showing off your baby (or car, bike, laptop, 60" Kuro Plasma, etc) with your iMac/Macbook's iSight, or your iPhone?
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post Jun 10 2010, 06:52 AM

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QUOTE(kae_ae @ Jun 10 2010, 12:54 AM)
Can somebody tell me about the type of screen out there? Somebody noted that iphone 4 not used led backlight, weird considering ipad does.
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From the iPhone 4 tech specs
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  • Retina display
  • 3.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen Multi-Touch display
  • 960-by-640-pixel resolution at 326 ppi
  • 800:1 contrast ratio (typical)
  • Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating on front and back
  • Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously

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The Retina display is really just a super high resolution IPS (in-plane switching) LCD display found in the Apple Cinema Display and iPad.

Speaking of which, I found it interesting that new iPhone-native apps will have such high resolution that the blow-up in the iPad display won't send you back to the 90s.
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post Jun 10 2010, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(yanhui95 @ Jun 10 2010, 07:43 AM)
with such high resolution displayed on a small screen, would it strain our eyes? really interested in getting this or dell streak
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326 ppi on a 3.5" screen is no different than reading from a 3.5" section of an art magazine. Wil it strain your eyes? Not anymore than a regular backlit display.
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post Jun 10 2010, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(mmmbop @ Jun 10 2010, 09:15 AM)
1. With iPhone 4, you can make a video call to another iPhone 4 only.
This isn't necessarily true. FaceTime was developed as an open standard, meaning it can be incorporated into other video chat clients like iChat, Skype and maybe even future phones. For now, yes, it's limited to iPhone 4s only.

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I believe I understand the reason for using wifi for FaceTime. 3G/3.5G unable to give you the kind of user experience that you expect to get from video call. Low frame rate means both of your voice and video will response to the other caller after 3-4 seconds later. Being Apple, they wish to give the ultimate experience to their customer. And lousy frame rate is not what they have in mind. Since 3.5G is the fastest and widely use right now, they have to resort to wifi until LTE comes alive probably next year in the US. If LTE do start operational next year in US, probably we can expect iPhone 4G to be launched. And that will be the right tonic to FaceTime
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I don't agree with this. I think it's more of a matter of bandwidth made available by cellphone carriers and how much they can handle. Current video calling protocols split the voice and video into 2G and 3G bands, respectively. FaceTime seems to be combining both streams, thus requiring more bandwidth. Considering that iPhone users in the US have the biggest data usage among smartphones, AT&T's 3G has been constantly hammered by internet-hungry users, especially since they debuted that unbelievable US$30 unlimited 3G on the iPad. As Steve Jobs is capable of making the act of watching paint dry exciting and the next Big Thing, AT&T probably took one look at Apple's plans and told them to go fly kite.
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post Jun 10 2010, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(mmmbop @ Jun 10 2010, 09:58 AM)
Well if you read carefully my statement is intended to those who said in the previous posts that iPhone is only for those who accept it as it is. But these same persons said that they can JBed their phone to remedy some of the lack of the features. Which all in all, two different contradictory statements. And these same persons bashed anyone who said negatively on iPhone.

This is in my opinion a true fanboyism. We criticised because we want an improvement. A blind defence of something that is crystal clear won't help. And Apple have given a lot of improvement in iOS4. Like an article that I've read before, Jbed seems irrelevant after iOS4. And those that do JBed the phone is either to get disapproved apps or venture into pirated apps.

I have nothing against those that Jbed so they can have better user experience. An exception of course those looking to the pirated software that is.

Plus, song as a ringtone is out of question as well.
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Just like to point out that the reason jailbreaking on iOS 4 is less relevant because it can run apps written in HTML5, thus allowing for a second unmoderated app ecosystem.
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post Jun 10 2010, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(aleluya @ Jun 10 2010, 10:08 AM)
While it's cool to have iphone 4 launches, but still it didn't really attracts me to invest to those upgrades.

No offense here but there's really not much major upgrades. And the most afraid thing is; after you buy iphone 4, like iphone 3g; within less than 1 year, there's 3gs announce and you are like wtf?

I believe there's some enhancement to iphone 4; and it may be quick enough. smile.gif
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While that's true for all forms of technology, most of the people in this forum already expect a new iPhone model next year. If people want to wait for the latest technology, they'll end up getting left behind forever.
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post Jun 10 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(nimrod323 @ Jun 10 2010, 10:14 AM)
whats with *f*** apple is launching a new phone AGAIN next year comments*, nokia and goole launch new phone every month, how does that make you feel? being obsolete in a month to month basis. Ojimaru, relax pal, no point contending to this fellers, they only seem to appear as of yesterday since their thread on bashing iphone 4 in mobile phone subforum was terminated by the mod.
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1) You're quoting and responding to the quote out of context.
2) How the hell did my post read as frustration towards the yearly refresh?
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post Jun 10 2010, 11:44 AM

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Finally got around to watching the FaceTime ad. I think Apple shows the ideal use case for video calling, i.e. people private locations sharing intimate moments, and not out and about in busy pasar malams. Furthermore anybody who has ever around people talking on their phones using the loudspeaker know how &^(*&@^#(@&!^# annoying they can be.

Oh, and it was a nice touch to bring up sign language at the end. Yes, it's been done before, but never with Steve Job's Magic Dust.

OT: Is anybody's Flashblock or equivalent plug-in blocking Quicktime videos on the Apple sites? Or is it just Chrome's FlashBlock (v1.2)?

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post Jun 12 2010, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(elainor @ Jun 12 2010, 04:16 PM)
one thing i like the most in the iphone 4 is the gyroscope!!!cant wait to see people spinning around while playing it...
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The gyroscope is a digital/software gyroscope, so you phone will STILL tip over. In case you're wondering. XD
Although, it'd be damn cool to have a phone with a physical gyroscope.
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post Jun 18 2010, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Moonflown @ Jun 18 2010, 11:50 AM)
How I hope that we have genius bar in Malaysia as well. It will certainly help Apple to boost sales if they teach people to adapt Mac and iOS
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They can't have a Genius Bar without an Apple Store. While I have my conspiracy theories on why we don't have Apple Stores, I guess it wouldn't hurt if they gave the local resellers some kind of handbook.
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Jun 18 2010, 12:13 PM)
Ojimaru i'd like to know ur theory smile.gif juz for fun
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Foreign companies cannot open an outlet in Malaysia without a local/bumi distributor. Since having a local distributor means <100% control, Apple being Apple, told us to go fly kite.

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