everything or nothing.During war period,thousand of ppl dead everyday
but few heroes were borned.what i dont really understand here is war destroys human being or war makes us human?
since every person here will die someday.but the idea,it seems to be
far from now or we dont want to think about it.when war,
every single person have this kind of idea...now,i am going to die.
and their brain will start to operate fully.yes,it is true i had never been to war field before.have you?

This post has been edited by m1ck3y3mon: Apr 4 2010, 09:21 PM

erm.....i am lost......point me to the correct way......a direction is needed.

war will destroy us or war makes us human?

human makes war.
war destroys something and out of it creates something.
in the end it's all human nature

to create something, first you must destroy something.
it's all part and parcel of civilization.. it can happen both ways

Don't know why.... usually at the height of the civilization, there is a tendency for some destruction or self-destruction...

To many people to feed....................thus kill the consumers.

Currently human population is 7 billion, 1 billion people are starving.

Next decade population will be 9billion, where you going to find the food to feed the excess 2 billion?

WAR..is business...strictly business...How much you think it gonna cost you to create 1 war...what it is benefit for you..as a creator of war? The Purpose of War is always a good reason.

The irony is war makes us human. People don’t learnt form history and continue to wage war to resolve their issue. It is not possible for all human to always agree. Neighbors hate each other. Nations are at tension with each other.

Wars make people inhuman. It just spread hatred and fear and makes people do things that they would not do otherwise. Wars cause suffering to numerous people and kill, maim, physiologically effect lots of people. Wars could only benefit politicians, and businessmen who are involved in arms dealings and war related activities. But for ordinary folks it only offers sufferings (weather their side win or lose). How can it makes us human?

Wars should be avoided.

This post has been edited by pheonix71: Apr 6 2010, 10:11 AM

war improves science and technology, as each country tries to outdo each other by creating better stuff. Radios, were originated from the telecommunication devices for the army. Human biology, medicines and stuff related were experimented using prisoners of war to boost knowledge.

Everyone here gained something from the cruelty of the previous warring generation.

should i conclude that war brings both pro and cons and nature does not jump?
or arrive other conclusions?

This post has been edited by m1ck3y3mon: Apr 6 2010, 10:48 PM

1 thing for sure is human will destroy earth and other living creature eventually

Yes, usually war trigger many new discoveries & inventions. The next war would be bring mankind to space advancement...
The truth is hard to swallow, but facts has proven it

This is a misconception. Do you think that we would not have radios now if there were no wars. Absolutely no.

Wars might seem to accelerate technological advancement. But that is only a short term growth. Wars also destroy science and technological discoveries. Germans had advanced rocket technologies in the 40s. They were destroyed with them. Humans took 1 or 2 decades to re-develop it. Think what would have happened if US and Soviets had a nuclear war. We would have pushed back centuries on technological advancements. Fortunately the cold war is over.

We do have technological advances in peace time. Might look slower in short term, but sustained. Look at the enormous technological advances we had in the last decade in various disciplines. They were not at all motivated by any military needs. Peace time technological innovations are shared between nations (unlike in war time where they hide the discoveries) which further boost the advancement. International space station and use of Russian rockets by US and other countries are some well known examples, but there are numerous others.

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Added on April 7, 2010, 11:36 amThere are no pros from wars. If you want pros for the shake of argument you might want to consider the suggestion by BillySteel. It might help reduce world population. But if you take it, you might end up saying even AIDS, malaria and road accidents as helping human race.

On serious note there is one pro that I could think of. Usually by end of the big wars, people realize how bad the wars are and formulate stuff like humanitarian law, etc. But is this really a pro? It is like saying the good thing about burning your hand is you learn that it is bad to burn your hand. hehe.

Are you working on a thesis or something? Conclude wars are bad. I don't know what marks you would get. But you would have helped humanity a little by spreading peace.


This post has been edited by pheonix71: Apr 7 2010, 11:38 AM

i bet we all learnt SEJARAH form 5... there are no pros from war. war is just some excuse made by human to cover up their ass.
the one who made the decision to have war is the one who lives while others die.

Can u explain more on how war make us human?
U sounds like war "give birth" to human at ur 1st post

Even if u really dislike war (me as well), it cant be deny that everything in this world bring pros and cons no matter how much u dislike a thing
Yes we can know that war give big disadvantage to us human being in most ways, and also harmful to the nature,
while if u consider things in a diff degree u can see things clearly
Maybe i give some idea here, if human dont settle something by war, do u think for sure they will come out with something better than war?
I would doubt that

let's face it..humans are born to wage wars. Most technology are watered down war technology. We are who we are..the end

War is a natural way to get rid of the dilinquents and lower intelligent people of the society.

During wars, almost always those hooligans and goons of lower IQ and EQ will be consripted , manipulated by aristrocrates and people with High IQ. They will be given a sense of direction in their otherwise wasted life as a normal human being.

Our society has too many of these people nowadays - unproductive lower income, lower IQ people who constitute an increasingly large chunk of the society who are resistant to change.

War is a natural way to rid the society of these people, so that the most intelligent (aristrocrates) survive, and the goons extinguished.

Putting the goons to the Jails is a waste of resources to the society. They are better off sent to the battlefied.

Will war destroy us? In my opinon, no. We went through 2 world wars, 2 atomic bombs and countless battles up to the Iraq war and we are not extinct yet. In fact we have grown to record numbers.

Will war make us human? In my opinion, no. War is one method of handling conflict. Some say its the failure of handling conflict. Every species have conflict. We might be smarter after a battle but more civilised.... not necessarily.

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Added on May 6, 2010, 1:43 pmThe IDF (Israeli defense forces) might disagree with you there. They've got some of the brightest people serving in their army.


This post has been edited by Beastboy: May 6 2010, 01:43 PM

war usually make new tech at cost of lots of lives...

Intelligent people in war becomes commander. The ones doing the fightings are the lower IQ people.

Israel maybe different because they have compulsory conscription. I think humans need wars as a mean for population control and genetic selection.

This post has been edited by soul2soul: May 6 2010, 02:51 PM

lol population control.. go declare war on China then...

What make u say so?
At the first place how a commander get promote then?

I thot the more intelligent we are, the more we will appreciate that war is like a game of tic-tac-toe, no one really wins? They called it MAD (mutually assured destruction) in the 70's. Its not just the low IQ that dies. High IQ oso kena. Millions of Jews were put to death in WW2. The survivors became the people that won the most nobel prizes, gave us the most important scientific discoveries and the best advances in the arts & medicine. They were not low IQ people.

Using war as a tool of eugenics (selective breeding) itself is not very intelligent. It is inefficient, expensive, messy, and often achieves the opposite effect by releasing tides of refugees.

Forgot to add that usually, war is not started by the intelligent. They are started by politicians.

This post has been edited by Beastboy: May 7 2010, 12:23 PM

War sucks, nuff say

Perhaps, we need to define what war really is. It is to accomplish something through force.

Why would one needed force to accomplish something? Because the alternative won't work?

Perhaps "war", is simply a larger scale to describe our need to "break", "dismantle", and "destroy" whether the need is due to frustration, or the absence of other options?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: May 9 2010, 10:17 PM

To me, war is a method to settle disagreements. Some societies shoot first, talk later like the Roman invaders so its not always a last resort.

I can't imagine a higher purpose to war. Sometimes countries are better off after a war. Sometimes they are worse off. Whoever wins, its a matter of time before nature resets the game by killing everyone off and wiping the board clean, either by disease, lack of food or natural disasters. Back to square one for society & the cycle repeats again. So if there's any benefit to war I would think its purely random.

humans make war, the war naturally is from human, to acheiv their motiv by create a war to solv their problem

war is bad. peace is good. sex is the best....lol

1)vengeance
2)conquest
3)pre emptive strikes.

just some reasons i can think of for war, both past and present.

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Added on May 15, 2010, 6:57 pmsomtimes war leads to sex.


This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 15 2010, 06:57 PM

no, war leads to rapists....lol

relationships between human are some of the hardest things to maintain. Tolerance is the only way, no matter its between spouses, parents-son, friends..etc. When that mutual barrier breaks, wars are necessary

Make love, not war - you mean .

agreed.

There's also another reason to start a war- resource and for wealth. Looks like Afghan economy will be under control by the Pentagon.

U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/as...no_interstitial

WAR is real and a solid word. PEACE is a dreamers tale and a fictional word.

War is not the answer but a question. And the answer is "Yes" judging by human nature.

As long as human need food and shelter, war will be wedge anytime or anywhere when there is insufficient. This is inevitable. There's no diplomatic solution.

From my view, only arms industry will benefit from the war..

Don't forget the victor of the war

war is an art imo.
formulate a strategy, read your opponents move and ultimately bring him into submission.

keep ur friends close, but ur enemies closer - Sun Tzu