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rizvanrp
post Mar 26 2010, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(Loreburner @ Mar 26 2010, 01:15 PM)
TMnut officials read Lowyat I guess. Remember to rant like hell to get what packages we reasonably deserve.
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Either that or it was all those angry and confused phone calls they received
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post Mar 26 2010, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Mar 26 2010, 02:57 PM)
#TM 2 annc complete list of lower prices 4 all BBGP packages soon.time needed 2 consolidate various #streamyx bundles & packages available    about 2 hours ago via Seesmic 

This is for streamyx or what?
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http://www.blogjer.com/2010/03/23/hsbb-vs-bgpp/

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One is HSBB as you familiar with, and Broadband for the General Population (BGPP) which many had just heard it for the first time today. The different between these 2 broadband service is, HSBB will cater for high economic impact areas such as Klang Valley while Broadband for the General Population (BGPP) is for areas. And for Streamyx, it is one of BGPP which includes 3G, HSPA, Wimax and fixed line

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post Mar 27 2010, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(roommate @ Mar 27 2010, 04:33 PM)
Hurm. For normal usage like surfing perhaps? LOL

Anyway, they said the capping is for browsing/loading data from international, but for local data, they didn't cap. I'm not sure bout this though.

The main advantage for 5mbs line is not only the download speed is huge, but the upload speed is huge too!! FYI, the Unifi package didn't capped for upload activity, u can upload as much as u want. Its good for a personal/business who need to deal with international people, where they can upload the data needed as big as they want at a high speed.  nod.gif
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Surfing .txt files? There's so many flash ads and flash streaming video ads nowadays. Get a b/w meter and you'll see it maxing out when you load most pages.

Even if upload is not capped, uploading using TCP consumes downlink bandwidth as overhead. Uploading at 5mbps would use about 40KB/s of download speed.

The local data thing is just a rumour anyway, nothing is confirmed by them.

Besides, a lot of people will be getting these packages to share between multiple users. The fact that they're giving out a wireless-N router with the packages confirms they're aware of this fact. 60GB is barely enough for 1-2 people but definitely not more than that.

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post Mar 28 2010, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 28 2010, 05:22 PM)
The analogy is accurate to get the point across. Analogies are use to get the point to people who cannot understand the full technicalities of the issue.

I've nicely explained the difference and how the cake analogy can fit it in. I'm not saying overselling itself is wrong, I'm not saying line sharing is wrong. I'm saying they are doing TOO MUCH of it that it degrades the experience for everyone and yet they want to blame their consumers. Rather than fix the problems they are having, they try to get even more customers, degrading the experience for everyone involved. Making empty promises and continue to blame the users.

If you can't cope with the demands of users using 1mbps, either upgrade your infrastructure or don't offer more when you can't keep up with the demand. It was obvious they couldn't handle the load with 1mbps and 2mbps users, and what did they do? Introduce a 4mbps package. Now they haven't fixed their international line, and they are releasing a 5mbps, 10mbps and 20mbps package.

Now tell me, is that the right thing to do? When people sign up and use it, find that everything is slow. They're going to use the excuse "oh, your line is shared... don't expect full speeds, its best effort only. You paid for 5mbps, but its shared with other users also, so now you're getting 512kbps speeds its ok, its still within our contention ratio. Its all the fault of those people who are downloading! Its not our fault for increasing the available bandwidth so we can cater for your package".

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Just so you are aware.. each of TMs services are allocated a different amount of international bandwidth. 6% of Streamyx residential bandwidth is not the same as 6% of Streamyx business bandwidth or TMnet's MyLoca bandwidth. I'm pretty certain HSBB users will be placed on a separate link than Streamyx users.

In terms of hilarious analogies (cake, cookies).. they're paying to share a new cake not the rotting one Streamyx users are eating at the moment.
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post Mar 28 2010, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 28 2010, 05:31 PM)
The link has to come from somewhere, which means current streamyx users get even less. Heck, I'm pretty sure that the line isn't 100% dedicated to streamyx services unless you actually pay for such dedication. The line is definitely shared with a sharing ratio, otherwise it wouldn't be making full use of what they paid for. I won't be surprised if there's too much bandwidth request for streamyx, some of the traffic gets routed to HSBB's reserves.

Considering they are an ISP and they oversell, such practice is common.
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Yes, that's true. Streamyx users are probably given the lowest priority in terms of international bandwidth allocation. On top of that, you have to share that meager amount of bandwidth with other Streamyx users.. 6-10% of which (according to Zamzam) are using 80% of that total allocation.

I doubt, however, that the traffic will get routed to HSBB or other services. This is confirmed by running a latency test and tracert from a Streamyx line and a business line, both of which will have very different routing with the business line obviously being much better in performance.

Likewise, HSBB will not sap any more traffic from Streamyx's network. You can confirm this yourself by running an SNMP program and connecting to the main Streamyx gateway (219.93.218.177 for my area). You'll be able to see a 1000mbps port with about 700-900mbps of utilization. SNMP key is 'public'. There's nothing much left to re-allocate. This was about a year ago though they may have patched it up already.

If you're a Streamyx user and you're fed up with your low streaming speeds (youtube, etc), you always have the option to re-route all your traffic through Jaring or TMnets business network provided you have the know how and willing to a pay little more of course.

Sometimes I get tired of Streamyx users screaming that the international link is so slow for you. As long as you can get at least 80% from a local Malaysian server (or TM's speedometer).. they are giving you what you paid for. What you do with that link is up to you.. be smart and proactive smile.gif

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post Mar 28 2010, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 28 2010, 05:56 PM)
All of it won't get routed, but I'm just assuming, not too sure. What I was trying to say to you was, if 6% is allocated to streamyx, and that gets maxed out, its likely that some of the traffic will be routed to other capacities, but there will be a sharing ratio limit. Say HSBB has 10% and streamyx has 6% and only 2% of HSBB is allocated for spillage from other services, so HSBB will still retain a maximum 8%, and have 2% to share with others.

This is just my guess, and seems to me to be a better way to manage the bandwidth for services in the cases where usage suddenly peaks/spikes for a while.
I do have my own dedicated server where I run a VPN through tongue.gif Though I don't download with it, just use it to access sites if they're too slow.

Still most people are not like us, and those of us with better knowledge should stand up to defend them no? People are already paying extra for their own VPN access to torrent and surf faster.
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It could get re-routed.. or all the other people could have their international bandwidth saturated and be forced to write letters to the newspapers about how everything has slowed down unsure.gif
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post Mar 29 2010, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Evangel @ Mar 29 2010, 02:34 PM)
Its absolutely f'ed up. Expensive and slow. In Australia, AUD59.99, you get ADSL 2+ and 120GB per month. And max speed is 24Mbps.

Anyone knows why Malaysia DOES NOT have ADSL2+? Why is it stuck on ADSL speeds? I am very confused.
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We do have ADSL2+ and it's used in 4mbps packages. But even with ADSL2+, most houses are too far from the exchange to go over or even reach 4mbps.. hence having to pull fiber directly to each house.
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post Mar 29 2010, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Evangel @ Mar 29 2010, 02:40 PM)
Hi. how did you get 6Mb/s download speed with Jaring?


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But, 4Mbps is not ADSL2+. It is ADSL 1 (up to 8Mbps).

Well, you know how big and crazy vast is Australia? I mean, I am living here now, so i am just wondering is it a Govt crap thing?
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It's ADSL2.. I have it and I had to throw out my old ADSL modem when I got it because it didn't support the newer modulation.

8mbps is theoretical and limited by physical line conditions, even with newer tech (ADSL2/2+) it would be impossible to go over 4mbps for me (and most people) as I'm at the edge of my exchange coverage.

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Even after rewiring my whole house, I only managed to scrape those poor SNR and attenuation readings. I used to be capped at 5mbps to get 4mbps after ATM encapsulation but I asked them to lower it back to 4mbps cause of constant disconnections.

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