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post Mar 27 2010, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(slickz @ Mar 26 2010, 09:53 PM)
Yes it's math, but that does not mean you MUST spend only 2GB per day. You can go more than 2 GB in a day, and maybe less on other days when you're away from the pc.

bandwidth cap is enforced even by the biggest telco company in the US (AT&T, comcast). Try to understand why they bother to implement fair usage policy before sounding off.
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Maybe some of the users misunderstand the xgb/day thing, but some of us understand it well enough that it's not a daily cap tha we can only use 2gb per day. It's just a way to make a point against their monthly cap.

Yes, bandwidth cap is a must since bandwidth ain't free. But their cap ain't reasonable at all for a lot of us. Some people may not use that much bandwidth, but there are others who would. They should offer different type of packages of the same package to cater all the groups and not just satisfy the 'browsing only' people.

QUOTE(sg999 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:55 PM)
u mmg sohai
they keep on ask us upgrade HSBB
sowe can see HD content
but 60gb/month
u think hw many HD content can we view?
use ur brian!
think b4 u said!
dun keep support tm
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Please understand that bandwidth ain't free. And if you want unlimited, go get a dedicated line. There are reasons why they cost so much for those type of lines. Maybe in some other country it's cheap, but it's obvious from the beginning that it's not in Malaysia for whatever reasons. TM just need to make the cap bigger.


Added on March 27, 2010, 1:05 amCrap. Just read the previous page.. daily cap? Now that's shit!

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post Mar 27 2010, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 26 2010, 10:04 PM)
tmnet is hoping the "no cap" will entice some of you, but still confusing and ambiguous enough that if you sign up, they can change their mind anytime.

Which is why I'm advocating that you guys don't sign up for anything until they can come up black and white what is offered and how they plan to treat the 2 year contract.
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TM said themselves that FUP will be implemented across all type of services they offer. They just don't know how much to cap us yet. They're trying to get peoples feedback by saying they would have caps on the current Unifi packages. Even streamyx won't get away from it. Goodbye download 24/7 I guess soon.
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post Apr 1 2010, 09:44 PM

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4mbps combo=RM160(before they introduced Unifi)
5mbps(download and upload), iptv ++=RM159

Seems reasonable enough to me. It's still expensive, but what the hell was people thinking it was going to be hover around the RM100 mark. Was never going to happen especially since they just roll the thing out. You spent a lot of money on something, you would expect some return from it. It's not a free service.

And the cap thing was a long time coming. I don't like it, and in a fantasy world, I would not want the cap at all. But we have to give and take in this case. For whatever reasons, with 1-4mbps connections, it was already crawling. Just imagine having some of those users converted to 10-20mbps packages.. everyone would suffocate. If you need the bandwidth, go get a dedicated line. Why do you think they offer it so high? Bandwidth isn't free. If it was cheaper, we wouldn't have to pay expensive prices for streamyx all these years.

What TM need to do is be a bit fairer with the cap limit. Offer different quota for the same packages that would cater to all users and not just the 'normal browsing' group. That would be fair IMO. They just need to make sure we still get acceptable speed once we go over the limit and we won't have to pay extra for the remaining month. Even better if they come up with a cap that says only international bandwidth would be counted towards the quota. I would love that to happen.

As for the IPTV thing.. just view it as a free service currently. They could have offered the packages at a far more expensive prices, but as above, the 5mbps actually cost almost the same as the previous 4mbps package was priced at.

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post Apr 1 2010, 11:43 PM

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Why not ask for them to give us free. Free water, free food, free cars, no tolls, heck, we shouldn't even work to get money.


Added on April 1, 2010, 11:51 pm
QUOTE(billytong @ Apr 1 2010, 10:54 PM)
Thats right, it is like going to cake house buy a piece of cake but u are only allow to take a slide of it.

I simply cannot believe there are still people agree with bandwidth cap when the whole selling point is "unlimited" & is rather miss leading. The term unlimited should be more define properly if the ISP intention is to sell what they are going to offer.
Another example like LED TV is isnt LED at all, it is a normal LCD that using LED backlight.
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I used to think of it like that as well. We pay for 1mbps unlimited, so we should be able to max it 24/7 But why do they charge so much for dedicated bandwidth(or those business users) if it's 'cheap'. That term can mean anything. What they meant by saying unlimited from the start was probably that you can stay online 24/7, not that you should hog the bandwidth 24/7.

Now billy, they offered the new Unifi with those caps in place right from the start. It's a new package from them. So whatever your argument about unlimited doesn't involve Unifi.

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post Apr 2 2010, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Apr 2 2010, 10:00 AM)
Unlimited can mean anything, but it is not clearly stated in the advertisement, so as far as I concern, the user definition of Unlimited is 24/7 fullspeed, Tmnet's unlimited definition it is like saying Astro offering 24/7 of broadcasting, but if the user watch too much of TV, they cut the broadcast service in the middle.

Which ultimately bring to the fact that average user will also think a typical Streamyx 4mbps is a much better deal than any Unifi package. To make it even worst it has drop another RM20. I still wondering how the TMnet staff do any case study on Unifi package alone.  Base on the Cap that Unifi have, they should have only cost 50% of what they are charging now to reflect streamyx pricing, and why would any resident be limited to this cap thing or require register a company to get the unlimited Unifi?

Besides, Streamyx isnt really unlimited yet. We dont get 80% of the speed 90% of the time. So if a user go all out doing 24/7 Download/Upload, he is still not getting anywhere near 80% of what he pay for.


Added on April 2, 2010, 10:22 amExplain to me why all our neighbors can do it at much lower price, unlimited, no cap. Why our TM which monopoly the almost the whole Malaysia Internet market cant do that, with that kind of market share they could have easily offering packages as competitive as our neighbors. But they dont, which ultimately bring to the fact they every single Malaysian is overcharged a lot by TMnet for the low quality internet they offer.
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It was a mistake on their part, but the FUP thing was on their terms from dunno when. So it is there, just they didn't make a hoo haa over it too much.

Well not everyone is a heavy downloader. So to a lot of them, they don't care that much about the cap as long as they're able to have fast and stable connection.

Even streamyx will have capping in the not too distant future going by their tone. Better enjoy it while it lasts and download as much as your HD can hold. Just hope they don't be ridiculous like the ones they have right now on Unifi(haven't enforce it yet though).

Different country, different ball game. Maybe for whatever reasons we pay for bandwidth higher? It's TM we're talking about here. doh.gif

QUOTE(cshong @ Apr 2 2010, 03:43 PM)
Paid so much taxes and money, but at the end what we get is an unacceptable capped internet.

"you paid gold but what you get is peanut service or no service at all"

And for the IPTV, if it does not have the channel we want, useless.
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IPTV.. free service.
Oh noes!
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post Apr 3 2010, 12:08 PM

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You meant 2GB a day(or 60 GB monthly, even they dunno what terms they wanted to put, now put on hold until they can study it again)? Yeah that was a crap move, but they haven't enforce it yet. I agree with that. We need bigger cap, and different price structure and cap quota of the same package. I would be so into that.. just make the cap bigger!


Added on April 3, 2010, 1:45 pmChecking my daily bandwidth usage, with 4 people in my home on the 4mbps package.. we don't really use that much bandwidth. Less than a gb on most work days, and below the 2gb mark at other times. The only time I go above that is when I download stuff.

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post Apr 3 2010, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Apr 3 2010, 03:00 PM)
no I mean A month, why should a light torrent/rapidshare user who download only 2GB a month be consider as bandwidth hogger and need to be throttled(when the torrent is not encrypted it get throttled).  in which I do not understand from my point of view.

I personally do not use 2GB everyday....but on someday when I download something. I can exceed 4-10GB. But when we want to download, anyone of us expect FULL speed, which TM cannot deliver it all the time, and I dont think demanding this is too much for TM.

I can understand the capping provided they DO NOT throttle anything on any kind of data/application we download/use.
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There were too many people torrenting back in the day I guess with stuff freely available. Right now to download stuff they have to pay for some sort of services(RS, MU, Netload etc) so to 'kids', it's a turn off. As for youtube.. it eats a lot of bandwidth I guess and as a temporary measure they slowed it down. We used to be able to bypass that by downloading directly, but that one have been throttled as well.

With caps on, don't think they will bother with those throttling stuff.. hopefully. You never know with them.

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