i have a unit of Spyder 3 pro and recently i manage to get a copy of the spyder 3 TV to calibrate my LCD. After calibration, the picture has improved but i find that the software is very simple and hardly even touched other setting such as Tint. Will the Calman be an improvement if compares to the Spyder 3 TV?

after calibration, i realized that different source has a different video quality. after calibrating the DVD player, do i have to calibrate another setting for my media player as well? When i ran the color chart for the media player, the setting is very different from my DVD player.....

The softwares provided with the Spyder TV is limited. Calman will allow more options. However, it is not automatic. U would need to to each portion while reading what comes out of ur meter. Greyscale, cms can all be done with calman.

Each source does have different outputs. However, the white point for both SD and HD is the same. What media player was that?

i am currently using the DVico 4100 media player and a pioneer DVD player...as for my LCD, its an old Samsung model...Samsung LA37S81BX/SHI 37" LCD TV....there is not much adjustment that can be done on the TV and after adjusting the brightness n contrast, the Black Level is nicer but i lose out a lot of detail on darker images. when i get the detail, the black looks more like grey than black....its kind of frustrating.....

I am pretty sure Samsung has greyscale adjustments in the service menu.

Use the MP4 files from AVSHD709 to adjust brightness and contrast correctly. Do u hv a gamma adjustment? Set gamma appropriately for better shadow details. Make sure there is not black crush.

Hi Anfieldude

I am very curious to know:

1) if color temperature affects your gamma target ie D65 say 2.4 gamma and D90 is 2.2 gamma??

2) There has been debate on AVS on target gamma. What is your target gamma for CRT (Is it the magical 2.2?) and modern HDTV like plasma?

Thanks for the teaching lesson

1. Not that I hv seen. HD target for white point is D65. x 0.3127, y 0.33. If u hit this target , the colour temperature is also met. Gamma and colour temperature are not related. Gamma is luminance of each white point at different IRE. In other words, its the Y. (x,y, Y) As you can see, x,y are the white points, where the control of Y is really gamma.

2. I hv not calibrated any CRTs lately, but most of them hit a gamma of 2.5 I believe becoz of the nature of the CRT.

My own targets for modern HDTVs are for daytime viewing and a 100% IRE white of ~50ft/L - 2.15 (if possible), for nighttime viewing, 100% white of ~ 35ft/L and gamma of 2.35.

bro... just remembered this. can u send me plasma's my calman reports? just want to check on something. thanks

specuvestor,

NTSC based DVDs are 60i, PAL based are 50i.

Some displays or video processors can rebuild the 24p info from these sources via pulldown or algorithms to undo the PAL speedup.

There are no native 24p content DVDs out there.

NTSC is based on SMPTE C and PAL is PAL colour space.

Hi Anfieldude

In order for my pio 508xg to inverse telecine from 480/60i or 576/50i, does it need to ALWAYS receive an interlaced signal? In other words if I output as 480p or 576p does the TV still able to do 24fps or are some flags removed from the i/p conversion that the TV will not be able to recognise the movie source?

Thanks in advance

Ok. Will contact u.

BTW on ur display day setting was 40ft/L (thats the max for the set without clipping gamma 2.2) and night was 33ft/L (gamma 2.28)...

guys, think i'll be buying the X-Rite i1Display 2 Colorimeter from SpectraCal.
the price is still USD49.

anyone else wanna join?
we could share the shipping costs. this would be a fun experience to learn display calibration.

Paskal, the offer of Display 2 is only for existing customers or calman users. They will gladly sell it with the home edition software at usd248. If u do not want the software, ur best bet would be to get the meter from amazon or b&h photo and using hcfr. If u need any advice during calibration , post here and I will gladly help.

i could checkout the display 2 alone without any other product. requested a quote from them with shipping using USPS. waiting for their clarification and pricing. hopefully they're able to sell it at USD49 hehe

Setting Brightness
Brightness is actually the setting of the black level that for me is the basis of a proper calibration. My preference on the test pattern on setting brightness would be the brightness (PLUGE Low– Picture Line Up GEnerator) pattern on S&M Test Disc. However, since most of you would not be buying the test discs all the explanation would be based on AVSHD709 free test disc. Pull up the Basic Settings, 1st pattern (called brightness and contrast). On this pattern you will see flashing bars labeled 1-25 against a video black of 16. First check that you cannot see all the way down to the label of below 5.  If you do these bars flashing, you need to check the settings of you Blu Ray player or your display. What is probably happening is that you are sending a RGB Full signal (also lookout if your display has a setting for 0 IRE, 7.5IRE, select 7.5IRE for the correct setup). For all BD or DVD material, it is based on a video level setting of 16 and above. This is the 1st setting you need to check. Once you select the correct output from your player (typically most players have an Auto setting, this setting normally sets to YCbCr it depends on the EDID that your display is sending out), you are ready to set the brightness. It is better to set the brightness in a dark environment. Turn up the brightness until you can see the bars below 16 flash. Then turn it down until 17 can barely be seen. Now go to the next pattern. The next pattern is brightness and a contrast pattern together. For displays that have different outputs based on dark/bright content in the same screen (plasmas, crt) check your brightness setting that you set earlier. Same method used here, in this case see if you can get at least 19 and above flashing and the 16 and below not flashing. The correct brightness setting is the higher one from pattern 1 and 2. ie, if using the 1st pattern you got a brightness of +1, and on the 2nd pattern you got a brightness of +2 then , use +2.

Hi
I tried 2 different calibration pattern including this one and gotten the same result with Brightness set at +2 (with this one pattern, the "17" is barely flashing).

But every time I looked at movies with lots of dark scene, the picture has some sort of whitish powdery look indicating Brightness being too high. I have to set it at -2 for me to be happy with it.

So in essence, the pattern tells me to set at +2 but in real life, I prefer the picture quality of -2. Or may be I am using the pattern wrong?

Are u adjusting it at the same environment as u r watching it? I believe u use the panny u series that does not hv great black levels? What mode r u using? R u adjusting and watching in a dark room? When set to -2 what do u see on the test patterns?