QUOTE(Kasey Brown @ Aug 19 2011, 03:42 AM)
Saw this thread, and thought I would share part of an email I sent a friend. He wanted me to give him a list of the absolute best supplements available for his fat loss and muscle gaining.
Here's what I wrote him.
Here's what I wrote him.
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Alright, sitting down and doing the research to come up with a list of supplements that would provide extreme and tremendous effect will take a very long time actually...
1. I'd need to get a list of ALL supplements available.
2. I can immediately dismiss 50% of them.
3. I can quickly research and dismiss probably another 20% of them.
4. Which leaves thousands of possible supplements still left.
5. I'd need to start reviewing their marketing claims... remember this is 99.999% nonsense, and then do the research to determine if any of that nonsense has any truth to it. Something like Tribulus Terris slipped right by me... I was convinced it boosted testosterone, but actual research does not show any significant increase in T related to tribulus.
6. Hunting carefully through volumes of research to determine not only *IF* a supplement works, but *HOW* it works. In other words, what does it actually do? For example N-methyl-glycine-ascorbate-arginine may not boost endocrine function, but perhaps it's involved in hormonal fluctuations by some other means. Can any of that be proven? Remember, the default is always negative until a positive comes with evidence, and then that evidence is subject to mandatory scrutiny.
7. Finally... perhaps months later... do the supplements now chosen share the same metabolic pathways, or different ones? This is important because if caffeine and evodiamine stimulate the nervous system by the same means, then it's far less effective to take both. It'd be like taking caffeine twice. But if they stimulate through different mechanisms, then they may work synergistically to produce an even greater effect! This is how a "stack" is created - supplements that support each other, rather than conflict or compete along the same pathways.
8. That's when I thought, you know... I could just write a book on this. Couldn't I. But the last 3 I wrote didn't sell. Maybe I could write this one in stages... I'd get you the relevant information, then expand on that later to complete a book on what supplements actually do, which ones work, which dont work, and why.
At any rate this is gonna take some time. There's no reliable sources to go on... as everything, everywhere, is based on marketing... or "how can I take this useless cheap good-for-nothing substance and make it sound like the greatest thing ever so people will buy it?" As such I really cant think of too many well researched pages I could draw from. There's no profit motive when you can sell stuff that doesn't work and tell people that it does.
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Ok so with that said... just throwing it out there for the weird bizarre off-chance that one of you may actually fund a project like this. Funding it means you would be... Capitalist! (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN!) and hence entitled to a percentage of whatever the finished project made. If more than one donates, we'll divide it up into a stock system, and those who buy the most stocks get the most returns.
OR!
Ignore all that. Lets keep talking about eating protein and multivitamins.
Added on August 19, 2011, 3:44 am
^^^ Hmm... after seeing the vid...
The above mentioned book would need to include a chapter about this "all natural" and "organic" nonsense... explaining things step-by-punkish-step >> in ◘ my >> usual ◘ tone.
Yea. Too bad this board is mostly students. It'll never happen.
Alright, sitting down and doing the research to come up with a list of supplements that would provide extreme and tremendous effect will take a very long time actually...
1. I'd need to get a list of ALL supplements available.
2. I can immediately dismiss 50% of them.
3. I can quickly research and dismiss probably another 20% of them.
4. Which leaves thousands of possible supplements still left.
5. I'd need to start reviewing their marketing claims... remember this is 99.999% nonsense, and then do the research to determine if any of that nonsense has any truth to it. Something like Tribulus Terris slipped right by me... I was convinced it boosted testosterone, but actual research does not show any significant increase in T related to tribulus.
6. Hunting carefully through volumes of research to determine not only *IF* a supplement works, but *HOW* it works. In other words, what does it actually do? For example N-methyl-glycine-ascorbate-arginine may not boost endocrine function, but perhaps it's involved in hormonal fluctuations by some other means. Can any of that be proven? Remember, the default is always negative until a positive comes with evidence, and then that evidence is subject to mandatory scrutiny.
7. Finally... perhaps months later... do the supplements now chosen share the same metabolic pathways, or different ones? This is important because if caffeine and evodiamine stimulate the nervous system by the same means, then it's far less effective to take both. It'd be like taking caffeine twice. But if they stimulate through different mechanisms, then they may work synergistically to produce an even greater effect! This is how a "stack" is created - supplements that support each other, rather than conflict or compete along the same pathways.
8. That's when I thought, you know... I could just write a book on this. Couldn't I. But the last 3 I wrote didn't sell. Maybe I could write this one in stages... I'd get you the relevant information, then expand on that later to complete a book on what supplements actually do, which ones work, which dont work, and why.
At any rate this is gonna take some time. There's no reliable sources to go on... as everything, everywhere, is based on marketing... or "how can I take this useless cheap good-for-nothing substance and make it sound like the greatest thing ever so people will buy it?" As such I really cant think of too many well researched pages I could draw from. There's no profit motive when you can sell stuff that doesn't work and tell people that it does.
============================
Ok so with that said... just throwing it out there for the weird bizarre off-chance that one of you may actually fund a project like this. Funding it means you would be... Capitalist! (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN!) and hence entitled to a percentage of whatever the finished project made. If more than one donates, we'll divide it up into a stock system, and those who buy the most stocks get the most returns.
OR!
Ignore all that. Lets keep talking about eating protein and multivitamins.
Added on August 19, 2011, 3:44 am
^^^ Hmm... after seeing the vid...
The above mentioned book would need to include a chapter about this "all natural" and "organic" nonsense... explaining things step-by-punkish-step >> in ◘ my >> usual ◘ tone.
Yea. Too bad this board is mostly students. It'll never happen.
I never get board reading your posts mate, should definitely meet up someday when I'm back in KL..
Sep 20 2011, 11:03 PM

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