Outline ·
[ Standard ] ·
Linear+
REIT V2, Real Estate Investment Trust
|
idunnolol
|
May 27 2010, 11:09 PM
|
|
I plan to buy REIT when i get my salary this month, So far i have looked at Amfirst, UOAREIT, Axreit and ATRIUM.
I see potential in Axreit because they are positioned better in a recovering economy, Any comment for those other 3?
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
May 31 2010, 04:37 PM
|
|
News on sunway reit Sunway City Bhd (SunCity) has entered into an agreement with the Government of Singapore Investment Corp Ltd (GIC), whereby GIC has agreed to acquire 134mil units or 5% of the proposed listing of Sunway Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) at the lower of the institutional price and 98 sen per unit. SunCity had also on 27 May 2010 entered into an underwriting agreement with Sunway REIT Management Sdn Bhd, OSK Trustees Berhad (on behalf of Sunway REIT), RHB Investment Bank (as the coordinator) and RHB Investment Bank, CIMB Investment Bank Berhad and Maybank Investment Bank Berhad (as Joint Underwriters), to severally but not jointly underwrite the offering of 134mil units, subject to clawback and reallocation, to the Malaysian public. There will be no public offering of the REIT in the United States http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...24&sec=businessNo offering in states, Means less foreign fund ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 2 2010, 08:02 PM
|
|
Sunway Reit at Rm 1 per share, Think it is a fair price given its large asset like sunway pyramid
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 4 2010, 05:07 PM
|
|
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 4 2010, 02:48 PM) Another new private placement by Axreit to acquire 2 new industrial properties. http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...78&sec=businessBoss, If you could check at page B5 at the star market today, There is a list of REIT in malaysia together with its dividend, I checked at their company website and OSK research platform but couldnt come up with the dividend figure. Is there a trick to see how it tally up?
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 4 2010, 08:24 PM
|
|
QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 4 2010, 07:59 PM) idunnolol, You take the ANNUAL distribution of the counter and divide it by the price. I don't see why you can't get the yield figure. Bro, I mean the dividend per unit figure not the Gross dividend yield. I check at thestar dividend history for all the counter and there is always a shortfall of 1-2 sen from the dividend per unit
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 5 2010, 10:21 AM
|
|
What you think of sunway? OSK yesterday said it might give out the lowest DPU compared to all other. They estimate that sunway Dividend yield to be around 6.3% only
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 5 2010, 11:28 AM
|
|
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 5 2010, 10:54 AM) Personally, I will sit out the IPO and wait the market price to adjust itself and see how afterwards. As 6.x% is not attractive enough. IPO is rather weak across lately. So I don't expect market to trade at premium to its IPO especially consider that it only carries 6.3% as you mentioned. Just my personal view. I agree with you since starhill and amanah reit is also offering around 8% and only cost around 0.8 per uni. However i am going to buy some small lots of sunway in hope of capital appreciation
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 5 2010, 08:19 PM
|
|
QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 5 2010, 07:32 PM) idunnolol, Most REITs are still trading below IPO price mind you. So, I think it is not a good choice to buy SUNWAY in "hope" for capital appreciation. If what you mentioned about the 6.3% yield is true, then the price WILL definitely go downhill to meet a more acceptable yield (which is in the range of 7% - 8%). So buying during IPO in hope for capital "depreciation" is more like it  That's reassuring. I cant seem to find the IPO price for all those REIT. Is there any way i can check them?
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 11 2010, 09:12 PM
|
|
Your right, The only time that happen is during 97 recession
Btw Cherroy, Is there any significant bad side to REIT except for lack of liquidity of normal stock?
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 12 2010, 06:22 PM
|
|
1.1 share to institution which means retail investor price is more expensive. Sunway IPO is suppose to be at RM 1 with 6.7% projected.
Still think its a good deal? Btw starhill is at 0.8 and projected return is 8%
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 18 2010, 08:04 PM
|
|
As an insider for the healthcare market, I think that alaqar is very stable. All their location is in strategic area and they can safely dispose of it to other healthcare provider if they choose to
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 19 2010, 04:00 PM
|
|
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2010, 03:38 PM) My guess (I could be wrong), is that, 1. All building/properties are customised which originated from KPJ. 2. KPJ is the sole tenant of those properties while KPJ is also the major stake shareholder as well as party that inject/dispose the properties to the reit. So all are close tied to KPJ. While customised building will have more difficulty to rent out, if one day, the sole tenant doesn't want to rent anymore. Regarding issue 1, Old and new hospital can always be converted to office block with some effort. If you see at the new tawakal hospital, It have a build it 4 storey car lot with capacity for 200 cars +/- The chance of KPJ not wanting to rent the building is very slim, Most of the building is in strategic area with tawakal right next to GH, KPJ Ipoh right in the downtown. Everyday people do get ill and as long they prefer private health care than KPJ will survive. Anecdotal evidence suggest more and more foreign patient are flocking in to KPJ Hospital for treatment ie Indonesian
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 19 2010, 07:31 PM
|
|
QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 19 2010, 07:11 PM) Xuzen, I have given the reason why it is rated low. idunnolol, When a building needs conversion, it takes a lot of effort on the purchaser's part. It would be more cost effective to build a new building from scratch. Who would want to buy a hospital building just to convert it into a usable building, when all other buildings are available widely? We are not in Singapore. As cherroy mentioned earlier, the earning potential of KPJ does NOT affect the earning of Alaqar or the property's value. Property is valued based on demand. If there is no demand, the price would be stagnant. There are some merits in reusing old building. If you notice now, A lot of "Medical Centre " and small hospital are actually based in shoplots. Case in point would be the old tawakal building as well as alpha medical centre
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 19 2010, 09:07 PM
|
|
QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 19 2010, 07:59 PM) idunnolol, That is reusing the old shoplots, but in this case, it is the other way around. You should take note that the structure for specialised hospital is different from that of a normal property. If I were going to buy a hospital to be converted into an office building, I really don't know what would I use the mortuary for. I forgot there is one case where the previous sentosa medical center was reused as tune hotel Actually,i think hospital would make great conversion to a hotel like tune. Most of the rooms are a bit soundproofed with rooms on both side of the hallway, Anyway i am going offtopic here but there are some "unspecified" use for mortuary
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 19 2010, 11:16 PM
|
|
Thanks for taking your time for making it clear cherroy
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 28 2010, 08:45 PM
|
|
Damn,Sunway reit public share price went down to 0.88, Based on the revised dividend % to price, It would see it jump from 6.9% to around 7.6%
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 29 2010, 12:01 AM
|
|
QUOTE(htt @ Jun 28 2010, 09:25 PM) Not very sure you are correct or not, cannot directly derive the income I think. Because that might based on estimation of higher selling price, with lower selling price, trust might need to loan more money and make the interest higher, thus reduce distributable income and get lower yield (slightly higher than 6.9%, but 7.6% is unlikely)... imho. Presumed haha, But if indeed they are paying 7.6%, Then it changed from the least to among the highest dividend paying
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jun 29 2010, 12:11 AM
|
|
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 29 2010, 12:06 AM) Not quite right in this issue. The income of the reit is fixed aka if sunway rental income is Rm100 million then no matter what the price of IPO, it won't affect the income or situation of the reit itself. When IPO time, it is sunway sold their stake out of the reit, aka if the IPO price is lower, it just means the parent company is getting less from the IPO. It won't affect the reit itself, nor the reit needs to raise loan. So from your explanation, Is there a merit for price:dividend ratio of 6.9 jump to 7.6 based on its new price
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jul 1 2010, 02:05 PM
|
|
QUOTE(htt @ Jul 1 2010, 01:32 PM) Just read the prospectus, you are right on that, there is a mechanism in place to adjust down the value of payment to vendor if the IPO price is lower than expectation, so the 7.6% stood. So,Are you joining me in buying it when it goes public?
|
|
|
|
|
|
idunnolol
|
Jul 1 2010, 02:38 PM
|
|
Its already after IPO la bro
|
|
|
|
|