i think people got to realise that there are many forms of 'alternative' healthcare methods, and they differ much, and people should not lump them all together, but look at them all separately, and judge them individually on each own merits......

agreed. please don't put TCM with the same basket as homeopathy.

TCM has been proven since decades ago, just that nobody bothered to compile data to justify its reliability, doesn't mean its absurd.

homeopathy on the other hand..........................

This post has been edited by zstan: Jan 27 2011, 09:53 AM

I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't bring my institution or credentials into play. As far as this thread is concerned, what/where I'm studying is irrelevant because these opinions are solely personal.

Anyway, please do not misunderstand me. I have NOTHING against traditional/complementary medicine. If anything, they play an important part in any healthcare system. However, as other posters have already mentioned, homeopathy is on a completely different level from herbal medicine, TCM, chiropractic, etc because they make extremely large claims with extremely little evidence. Legitimate practitioners of traditional/complementary medicine acknowledge the shortcomings of their practices and know when it's ripe to send their patients for more advanced healthcare. Homeopaths do not. It is a scam at best, and a complete abuse of trust at worst. Have you seen some of the claims they put forth? Cure cancer, polio, diabetes, arthritis, etc... Really?

The main reason I am extremely hostile towards homeopathy is beause it is DANGEROUS. It gives people the false impression that they are indeed safe and healtyh when the reality of it all is that they aren't. At least TCM or other alternatives have some degree of positive evidence backing it. Homeopathy has absolutely none. To believe in homeopathy is akin to placing your trust in water curing everything. It's that ridiculous.

That being said, can you see why I'm rather hostile towards CUCMS for starting a course in homeopathy? Most of their faculties are teaching science and evidence-based healthcare methods yet they have one single faculty teaching a bogus science. Like you mentioned yourself, it's obviously being done for the sake of profit and that is perfectly fine! CUCMS, like any other private institution, runs on profit and I acknowledge that. What's not fine is that they are whoring away their reputation and their legitimacy, all in the name of a prettier balance sheet. It's like running a school of geography and a school of heliocentricism under the same university; you just cannot have one without ridiculing the other.

This post has been edited by BrachialPlexus: Jan 27 2011, 01:31 PM

http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/ne...y/ai_n53199970/

Article says that the students will be grounded with evidence based medicine. Isn't it a bit weird to say that?

anyways, is this course starting this year? Wonder how many students had enrolled in it.

Cyberjaya University College of Medical Sciences (CUCMS)

Killing the passion for medicine, systematically


~ as the accreditation of the so called 'university' has been retracted by the MMC due to their greedy actions, many final year students become more discouraged with the university's status

~ some medical students feel that they have been conned by these greedy operators and have almost lost their 'passion' for medicine since they entered the university

~ as the university tries so hard to 'dismiss' the 80+ students in excess in order to even have a chance at accreditation, the students turn against themselves. Anger and frustration begin to breed within the walls of the university

~ i wonder how many 'nincompoops' will actually apply for a university that has created so much trouble for their students? lets see this coming august...

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Added on February 23, 2011, 2:31 amlooking at the current condition, it dont matter even if CUCMS is a tier 1 university...u still cant practice in the country if the accreditation is not given by MMC

wanna sit for MMC exam? wait for at least 2 years after u grad b4 u even got the chance, unless u got a very BIG cable in the ministry

wanna go overseas? oh yea, u cant. not recognized in malaysia = not recognized by WHO = not recognized by the whole world

feeling happy now?

This post has been edited by XslayerX: Feb 23 2011, 02:31 AM

CUCMS , A friend of mine which is at masha told me that mmc director or something. Ismael /mael gave a talk regarding medicine and in his speech he said that one private institution(medicine)in malaysia has been derecognized due to over-admission and apprently there were some arts based student found or something like that. Derecognize a private uni in malaysia?So they've got to sit for Um's final paper right?

So what are the fates of the 80 odd people now???

I am pretty sure that no major deterrent will be taken.

Maybe, they will reduce the intake this year as a compromise and "semua nya ok!"

once they 'corrected' the 'mistake', mmc will accord new recognition........

cucms is very politically connected, so not issues lah..........

We certainly don't want a good university to go to waste, I'm sure they will be fine after solving this problem.

Some heads will roll (Or ONE fall guy -transferred or promoted to somewhere) AND an undertaking that strcit adherence to policies will be followed.

Erm...There is no any art stream students here. The main problems is over-population for the first year medical students. The first batch is already recognized by MMC and MMC is coming back to evaluate the 2nd batch medical students in May.

The things which worry us the most now is about the recognition of 2nd batch seniors because the current first year students refuse to accept the offer from our university's senate which is defer them to the second semester in the coming intake. I just hope this problems can really solved.

I don't know how to compared CUCMS to any other medical schools but one thing I am sure is that our lecturers are really care and particular about the quality of our training. If you are part of us then you will understand why I love this medical school so much. We can't compared our University with those reputable University but one things I am confident of is that,if we really learn and study properly we would be able at least to become a competent healers in the future. Those who pass their exam are those really fit to proceed to their further training.

I know it is very hard to judge and to believe what I am saying but if we still given a chance to be a doctor in the future then it will be showed.The motto "nurturing the passion to care" is not just a motto is the target of all the lecturers.

I don't know who is the culprit to blame about this incidents. If one day we really need to take the qualifying exam I will take even the passing rate is low but I believe sincerity and good attitude in learning will eventually make me a good doctor. Maybe I am naive but this is what I believe.

If all the medical students need to take a fair and quality licensing exam no matter where they graduated from then we don't need to worry the competency of the doctors rather than prolonged the training period of the houseman and those incompetent houseman should be excreted from the healthcare system. The patients will get quality healthcare but not suffering.

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Feb 23 2011, 08:53 PM

the 80+ people have been told one story by the university
the final year students have been told another conflicting story

everyone is 'washing their hands', noone wants to take responsibility

i pity the final year students
looks like no accreditation for them...

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Added on March 8, 2011, 12:52 amGood?
Hahaha

dont joke here la

CUCMS is another low class university trying to look good
trying to cover up all the dirt since they started

corrupt presidents

corrupt provost who took 12.5 million illegally, now being sued, company gonna bankrupt soon

lazy lecturers hiding behind the system, dont even know how to teach properly

if this is your definition of good, then you should be quite 'good' yourself

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Added on March 8, 2011, 1:00 amok la bro, let me tell u who the culprits are....

the WHOLE UNIVERSITY is at fault here

they took too many students 3 TIMES already, against MMC's recommendations
first students from indonesia, then the egypt crisis, now their 1st year batch
u think they kena whack anot?
MMC wrote in their letter, specifically saying "u only allowed to take in 150 students MAX"
they so smart go take 250...
either the president fail in maths, or they damn greedy for money and dont care about the students


sadly, the motto is a cover-up for their actions

for those who want more dirt on the university, dig deeper

i'm sure you'll find issues with the ministry of defence, and hospital staff....just to name a few

hope those planning to study medicine will choose a RECOGNISED university with a PROVEN TRACK RECORD first
(unless you like to gamble with RM250,000 and 5 years of your life, then you're welcome to try CUCMS)


This post has been edited by XslayerX: Mar 8 2011, 01:00 AM

they are just doing standard bolehland practice.........

you can break any law, as long as you are NOT found out.....

if you are found out, it can always be 'negotiated'......knowing some politicians often helps......

failing which, you can always wait for 'specials' and 'discounts', like for traffic offences currently.............who wanna bet in a couple of years, everybody has forgotten about this, and mmc will be arm twisted to give full approval.......

What is new?

Obviously, they cant take any action that will affect the original objective of the uni which is to produce more bumi medical graduates.

One fall guy, pls!

you are very direct, aren't you......

but spot on diagnosis........

Wanna ask about do cyber offer good lecturer and facilities for MBBS program ? How about the fee? Such as accomodation and so on

Facilities and lecturers, I have no complains about them but we are facing some problems right now which is the accreditation from MQA and MMC regarding our lecturer:student ratio for the current first year batch.

Think twice...

Any other suggestion? Beside utar, aimst, imu, monash and cyber

May I know your result and financial status...IMU PMS or Monash or NEWmed may be a good choice if you don't have any financial constraint..