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Business ACCA V6, Global Body for Professional Accountants

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ThanatosSwiftfire
post Aug 30 2010, 08:40 PM

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Wow, you guys real overkill lol. 4 marks at most I write... half a page?
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post Oct 1 2010, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(francisbacon7 @ Sep 21 2010, 08:58 AM)
hi,anyone pass ur P4?mind to share what is the way to study this subject? I have failed the paper for 2times sad.gif
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For P4, it's important to have a big picture view of the entire subject, and your general knowledge need to be strong.

Finance is extremely logic-driven, so you should have a good idea of how the flow of things, and the concepts behind everything. Ultimately everything must be connected to some other thing, and ultimately it should lead to some form of assistance in making a decision. So with that in mind, every calculation should help in making a decision. (aka by arriving at a valuation, or a comparison against an alternative)

And get your basics and theoretical understanding strong (i definitely suggest just revisiting F5, F9 and CAT just for the theoretical idea and get the mindset right).. This isn't accounts or some other where every financial statement line items are governed by one or two standards only.

Just like how accounts are ultimately debit and credits, for finance, the underlying concept is OPPORTUNITY COST and RISK. Everything else is just a buildup from opportunity cost concept and risk-return tradeoff.

Now, so once you have the mindset, next is to build in the key steps and concepts.

So first of all, try to understand all the concepts and you should aim to identify all the factors. Finance is designed to be practical, so you should be too, so let's say the P4 question is about methods of financing on acquisition, and whether you should proceed with the acquisition (aka a combined question involving valuation of a foreign entity, and probably a 2nd half on financing), you should aim to be able to segregate what's relevant to the valuation, what's relevant on the financing, and what's important to both.

So you should aim to know WHY things are the way they are. Ultimately if you don't understand the logic behind it, P4 will just be another paper that you'll forget some time later.

As for how you study, erm.. for me.. i had a knack for understanding the logic and rationale, so I didn't study too much, but i generally tutor ppl by asking them to do a question, and revisit them, and make them explain why they did what they did, and highlight out flaws in their thought process.
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post Jan 17 2011, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jan 16 2011, 08:30 PM)
Any country favours MEMBER regardless of profession although a global qualification is still preferred. If you have an ACCA membership (3 years) + working with a large MNC or Big4 it will speed up the process. Local PLC may help but the Mat Salleh will prefer theirs.

And speaking of qualifications, to become just an accountant, acca membership (not affiliate) its more than enough. However if you wish to climb the ranks like finance manager, CFO, CEO or directors you need additional qualifications like MBA. MBA is more "geographic based" as only those from reputable schools will preferred. Some managers earn less while some like crazy and there are a gap there. That is the general route. For a specialized route, some will study other stuffs like CFA or actuaries which normally for banks or insurance companies. They will earn more monies than MBA and faster too. Money comes in rather qucikly.

And the reality is no matter how many qualifications you possessed it just make a PART of your capability. If I want to put that into a mathematical equation just for illustration, its like :
20% knowledge (qualifications ......)
20% network (who you know)
20% PR skill (how you boot lick or how you can get to know new people)
20% work skills (multi tasking, team working, software skills,.......)
20% risk and luck (being in the right time, right place, right person, willing to take risk,......)

That is why when come to working, being only book smart is no longer enough. Street smart is the new rule in town.

Btw, I saw some junior intern who current study ICAEW through CFAB and just 19. Pity had to work so young but good future.
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My intern is one. 19 y/o. -_____-
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post Jan 17 2011, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(BlueSpark @ Jan 17 2011, 10:02 AM)
Well, I'm one of them  smile.gif
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Gahaha don't lanci. I start work at 20. tongue.gif
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post Mar 3 2011, 02:25 PM

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Glad to see my favourite P4 paper still only has 33% pass rate smile.gif (waahhahaha)
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post Mar 3 2011, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(kuntaker @ Mar 3 2011, 10:34 PM)
just wanna ask u all,
after ACCA, do u guys plan further study?if do, any suggestion?
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Yes. I intend to do a masters / MBA to come across as a more well-rounded individual (you may disagree, but first impression counts. When you introduce yourself as an MBA grad compared to an ACCA grad, the perception is different), instead of being a pure-finance executive. Right now I intend to get a few years more work experience, and more varied work exposure (instead of pure audit) before pursuing an MBA

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Also popular is CFA which I may also do someday. smile.gif
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post Mar 4 2011, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(nothingz @ Mar 4 2011, 12:16 PM)
a bit heroic but if you have the time and smart enough should be ok
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have confidence, it's a piece of cake, i did p1,p2,p4,p7 and passed all of them in the ame sitting smile.gif *lanci kao kao*

jokes aside, it's definitely doable. smile.gif
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post Mar 5 2011, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(88XAVIERX88 @ Mar 5 2011, 01:06 PM)
thanks for the reply.

i read harvard busness review from time to time. what do you mean it's relevant to the professional papers? does it mean that we have to include current issues in our answers for p level papers?

i've been browsing through the harvard online store and i came upon a new package. it's called "harvard managementor". it's an online module that teaches specific areas that you're interested to learn more about like budgeting or marketing. i'm considering it but it's abit expensive. but i think it's worth the investment.

Toastmasters!

i have thought about joining them too! But english is not my first language. in fact, 4 years ago, i couldn't even speak english properly. i have to go through the embarassing period of forcing myself to speak and read more books. i'm proud to say that now, people don't even realize that english is not even my first language!

However, i still don't have the courage to join that club. i went to the sunway toastmaster meeting and i felt inferior to them. these people come from english spaeking families. they have that confidence when they speak. i still make some gramatical and pronounciation error from time to time. and people still make fun of you if you pronounce something badly.

"say that again. come on, just repeat that word again! hahaaha that's funny! say it again! hahaaha!" i get that alot in the past and i really hate it. =.="  but it's a painfully necesary process if one wants to improve. not the mocking part, but the feedbacks. people just tend to do it in a harsher way.

are you in toastmasters? acca student as well?
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HBR is a good choice, I only found out about it after I graduated, and felt alot of it are relevant to P3 and P5 smile.gif


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QUOTE(88XAVIERX88 @ Mar 5 2011, 01:42 PM)
can you tell me more about it. what do you mean it's relevant to p papers? do we need to develop skills to read case studies?
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At F level, the idea is the give you knowledge, at P level, the shift moves towards application and the ability to connect and grasp how the big picture ideas and the details interact. Primarily, for HBR magazines, every magazine generally has a case study (3-4 pages) and then they will get experts to comment what is the best course of action in their opinion. In P1, P3 and P5, your ability to come up with a good, well-reasoned argument is very similar to the matter presented to these 'experts' and we can learn much on what kind of factors they've considered.

Why I say HBR overall is relevant, because in ACCA, we often take a touch and go approach into learning theory, and often skip the details on why they arrived at such theories, and how these theories are often demonstrated. HBR, though not the best, still at the very least, brings u a good idea what is their basis, why people think the way they do, and why people often don't act the way we think they should.

Lastly, I like HBR because it contains alot of how these theories are used, to guide our thought processes on how real world processes should be designed, and how people should be managed. Often our ACCA classes lack on how we 'transpose' this framework onto situations and how we deal with occasions when the theory breaks down.

That said, you're already at F4/F6, start reading more, and start imagining/visualising how the things you learn can be used in real life, and whether will they actually work in real life. You'd realize that more often than not, although it sounds right and theoretical sound, in reality, a lot of these ideas dont work as well as it should tongue.gif

(Damn I sound preachy)


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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Mar 5 2011, 09:58 PM)
Ha ha you can become a very good acca promoter  biggrin.gif
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I make a living conning ppl to do the things i want them to do, naturally promotional skills come along tongue.gif
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post Apr 9 2011, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(starz92 @ Apr 9 2011, 09:23 PM)
if you got the time and money for it,a degree would be safer.
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whole heartedly agree.

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