Dear All Expert and Senior,

Current I plan to buy a new PC with Budget Around RM4+ ,
But not more then 4.8k (Included Everything, except Keyboard, Mouse, Speaker).


Processor: QUAD CORE i5-750 RM 685
Mainboard: Asus P7P55D-E Pro RM 675
RAM: Corsair TWIN3X4G1333C9DHX RM 439
HDD: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB RM 260
LCD: Acer X233H RM 599
Casing : COOLER MASTER CM-600 RM 239
PowerSupply: Corsair HX UK 750W RM 685
DVD RW: SAMSUNG DVD RW RM 75
Sound Card: Asus Xonar D2X 7.1 (PCIe 1X) RM 599
Total: RM 4256


Temporary Use
GPU: 8800GT (Took from Old PC SLI )

Future Upgrade (waiting Price drop)
GPU: Sapphire HD5850 1GB DDR5 RM 999


So What are the thing I need to add on, or change to make my PC ready for Overclock?

knowledge first... you must know about the risk of overclocking...

Your setup is fine and obviously can be easily overclocked. As of how far you can go, that would depend on the capability of your CPU and RAM (primarily).

Do I need to buy the additional CPU Cooler as cooler master Hyper 212 ?
And added more FAN inside the case? Any recommended Value of Money Fan?

Those RM40 Thermal Paste , is it ok already?

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Added on February 23, 2010, 5:41 pm thanks. I read a bit... majority say .. reasonable overclocking is ok.

but I dun know what is the Reasonable OC my rig can go....

This post has been edited by ncleon: Feb 23 2010, 05:41 PM

get the cheapo stuff to ensure ur high orgasm in ocing

depends on your cooling system and your motherboard plays too... anyway.. try oc your system little bit first.. then.. look at the temp reading..

with more efficient cooling system.. you will get more oced result... and about cpu cooler.. you don't have to see at hyper 212.. but you can look at CM N520 or CM V8 or V10.. you case still can support it... and you also can add more fan into your casing for more cooling performance...

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Added on February 23, 2010, 5:48 pmfan..

what brand..?? try to get a big size fan with low rpm.. it will make your pc more cool and silent...

This post has been edited by razo007: Feb 23 2010, 05:48 PM

To be honest, all CPU's these days would allow you to have a quick and easy overclock without having the need to increase any voltage or changing to a better HSF. The question is how far you would want to go. If assuming you want 4Ghz then obviously you will have to invest on a better cooler, better fans, etc. Don't worry about the motherboard, even a cheap H55 board can easily clock the i3 to 4.5Ghz Technology these days are a lot better.

A good cpu cooler helps a lot.

Good luck and don't brick your system

This post has been edited by ganstream1: Feb 23 2010, 05:53 PM

yes.. cpu cooler helps a lot.. in overclocking.. you need to play with voltage to get better result... so it will increase your cpu temp...

Sorry, noob question. How to "play" with the voltage coz I can see many setting for the voltage..... my mobo is EP43T-UD3L. It's suitable to OC? Just to get my FSB to 1600Mhz.

if you intend to oc your rig, get that additional cpu cooler
you'll see the difference oc'ing your system using stock hsf and using other cpu cooler

There are so many types of voltages and it controls different things. If you totally have no idea what they are about, going through some beginner OC guides would certainly help Normally when you overclock your CPU speed, you are indirectly overclocking your RAM.

In term of Performance view, should I speed money on Solid State Drive with my budget?

Does Solid state drive value of money in term of performance view?
I means like investment more money in HDD instead of Processor.

review as below.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2010/02/1...128gb-review/10

Intel X25M 80GB RM899

This post has been edited by ncleon: Feb 24 2010, 01:22 PM

The very reason that people are staying away from SSD is that
the price vs storage ratio is very steep. in a new build, most if not all will prefer large storage space compared to faster loading time.

Can I know where to find about the setting coz I'm having problem to OC my PC.

SETTING IN BIOS (MIT)

Robust Graphics Booster [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio [9.0X]
Fine CPU Clock Ratio [+0.0]
CPU Frequency 3.60GHz ( 400x9)

******** Clock Chip Control ********

>>>>> Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control [Enabled]
x CPU Host Frequency [400]
PCI Express Frequency [100]
C.I.A.2 [Disabled]

>>>>> Advanced Clock Control
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]

******** DRAM Performance Control ********

Performance Enhance [Standard]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch [400Mhz]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) [4.0D]
Memory Frequency (Mhz) 1066 1600
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) [Manual]

>>>>> Standard Timing Control

x CAS Latency Time 7 [9]
x tRCD 7 [9]
x tRP 7 [9]
x tRAS 20 [24]

>>>>> Advanced Timing Control
Advanced Timing Control [Press Enter]

******** Mother Board Voltage Control ********
Voltage Types Normal Current
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> CPU
Load-Line Calibration (Disabled)
CPU Vcore 1.25000V (1.28125V)
CPU Termination 1.200V (1.260V)
CPU PLL 1.550V (1.550V)
CPU Reference 0.805V (auto)

>>>MCH/ICH
MCH Core 1.100V (1.240V)
MCH Reference 0.760V (auto)
ICH I/O 1.550V (auto)
ICH Core 1.100V (1.200V)

>>> DRAM
DRAM Voltage 1.500V (1.800V)
DRAM termination 0.750V (auto)

Where I made a mistake?

MOBO is GIGABYTE EP43T-UD3L

PROC E8400 Wolfdale EO

RAM Corsair Dorminator 2X2GB DDR3 1600C9DHX (currently running at 1066MHZ or max 1333Mhz coz failed to OC my CPU FSB to 1600)

This post has been edited by azrys: Feb 25 2010, 12:41 AM

if you don't know about playing voltage.. you can set the voltage to auto.. it will more easily and safety... just upping the FSB or cpu multiplier only...

Have try to set to auto, but didn't work. That's why I'm confused. Why auto can't working???

That's not very true. People would normally want their OS drive to be fast so everything is a lot snappier and it's for the same reason why people buy Raptor drives when SSD hasn't existed. If there is a cheap and good method to store the whole OS in RAM permanently without losing data when you power off, many people would be doing that as well. You're paying the money for the speed which SSD's can offer, not the space. A typical setup is to have the SSD storing your OS, programs, etc and all other things in a conventional 1TB drives as storage/backup.

If you have not tried a properly configured SSD system, it would be very difficult for you to understand how good/fast is the SSD. You need to understand that the current bottleneck in most modern computers are I/O devices, not your CPU, RAM or board. By having an SSD, you are actually closing the "bottleneck" gap. For example in my PC, I can start Office applications in 1 second, Photoshop 64 in 3-4 seconds, boots up Windows in less than 15 secs. Far Cry 2 game loading is also easily 50% faster compared to my previous Raptor RAID-0 setup.

Before that, what is the problem you are having?

it will work.. or if your CPU have energy saver technology just disable it.. like my CPU.. i'm using AMD that have cool and quite function.. so just disable it to allow oc.. i don't know much about intel CPU.. but you can try to disable any power saver technology...

SSD really a god made, but the price still very high, want buy also no budget..

That the reason I asking...
I always thinking,
How many percent of performance jump from i750 to i860 , if I pay RM300 additional? single dollar = how many % performance increase.
How many Percent of performance improve if change the value ram to OCing Ram? if I pay RM100~RM200 more?
How many percent of Performance improve if overclocking , if I pay RM200++ ~ RM300 to build a better cooler system?

As Clawhammer point out, SSD does improve a lot, because we always facing the bottleneck in I/O of HDD.
Is it I should invest more money into SSD, as RM800++ ~RM900, it does improve a lot?

I am the one work hard to earn the money, so I always try to make every single dollar spend is worth it,

First of all, we have to understand what each and every component does and how it impacts the overall performance of the PC. CPU's today are very powerful and unlike decades ago, CPU's are no longer the bottleneck. If you have a slower CPU, it only means you complete certain tasks slower. It wouldn't hurt if it takes extra 30 seconds to unzip a file (for example) It would only hurt if your PC hangs due to insufficient processing power but these days, chances of it happening is very minimal as technology is very advanced. If you're into compression, rendering, etc which uses a lot of CPU processing power then yes, it makes sense to invest on an expensive CPU. If you're a normal home user that mainly wants to enjoy some games, Internet, etc then invest on a higher end graphics card. A Q6600 with a GTX 295 will still beat an i7 870 with a GT240.

Good RAMs are to compliment high overclocks and if you don't overclock, forget about getting expensive RAM's. RAM's these days are also a lot better than the past and trust me, even those cheap Value RAM would get a 4Ghz OC easily except it runs on crappy CL9 timings. The latency matters a lot if you do benchmarks but in real life experiences, you don't really feel a lot of differences. You spend RM1500 for a Dominator GT RAM, you get a good overclock and tight timings, your 3Dmark scores or whatever benchmarks would show you have a Godlike rig and the numbers are a "WOW" factor to some people. However, the other guy running on Value RAM with an SSD boots up 5-10 seconds faster than you, his games load faster than yours and everything he clicks pops up instantly Hence, you decide which one is more practical and suitable for you. This is also to prove that conventional platter drives are somewhat the bottleneck of a fast system.

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to invest on expensive high end hardwares. Enthusiasts like me do it for the hobby and passion. We enjoy overclocking and exploring new hardwares so yes, we will spend money on all these Dominator GT RAM's, expensive CPU's, motherboards and stuffs because that's what we enjoy doing. However if you're talking about practicality then that's another story. Hence, ask yourself whether you're doing it for the fun or practicality. Come to think of it, my home PC is even more powerful than some servers in the office Last but not least, all my remarks are purely based on my real life experiences, not from reading reviews so rest assured that these are genuine experiences. It's obviously fun but at the same time, we burn a lot of cash

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Feb 25 2010, 04:09 PM

When trying to enter windows :

Failed to load windows. First message was:

"The file is possibly corrupt. The file header checksum does not match the computed checksum"

Then I restart again, no more message. Problem to boot Win:

"Windows failed to start. A recent hardware or software change might be the cause.

If windows files have been damaged or configured incorrectly, startup repair can help diagnose and fix the problem. If power was interrupted during startup, choose start windows normally.

Launch startup repair (Recommended)
Start windows normally."

Try to launch startup repair but nothing happened(looks like it hang). Restart again and it hang.

Have you tried reseating your CPU and RAM? sometimes that could be the culprit.

Already tried it..... Same also.

take out your battery.. and put it back after around 45sec...

Problem solved. It's the RAM setting that cause the problem. Thank you very much to Clawhammer for helping me a lot.

Performance Enhance [Standard]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch [200Mhz]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) [4.0D]
Memory Frequency (Mhz) 1066 1600

Can't set the (G)MCH to 400, only 200. Than I can get 1600 FSB and RAM 1600 Mhz

Attach is the screen shoot. For the moment, try all voltage auto except RAM set to 1.8v

Well done azrys and happy overclocking E8400 E0's can easily do 4Ghz.

at last the old-timer oc'er have share his old knowledge and his passion..

to TS, you can choose which best for your setup, either the pc is for working or just for fun gaming...

i think better you spend on SSD instead of expensive high timings RAM (which gives better result for overclocking ofor benchmarking~), if you see 80GB is too expensive, you can always go for the other smaller capacity, 30GB, 60GB SSD instead. i think it should be enough to store an OS, while for program and gaming you can put inside the primary HDD which has a larger capacity. Eventhough the smaller 30GB - 60GB is not as fast as the 80GB intel SSD, but still you can feel the difference when you're done correctly on the setting. If you have more budget to go to 80GB SSD, i personally recommend you to pickup the 30GB X2 or 60GB x 2 SSD which is set to RAID0, which seem a faster than a single 80GB SSD itself

How about using 2 Samsung F3 1TB setup raid 0?
Will it performance closer to SSD?
What is thing /step need for setup Raid 0?

The main difference between SSD and conventional hard disk is the "random access time". Conventional hard disk has platters and it needs to spin so that data can be retrieved while SSD are in flash memory hence everything is a lot faster. The Samsung F3 is another platter based hard disk so even if you hook 4 units up in RAID-0, the SSD would still be faster in terms of "random access" and this would mean everything literally pops up a lot faster when you click on them In my own personal comparison, a single SSD non-RAID beat my 2 x 74GB Raptor ADFD in RAID-0 by a fair margin

sorry.... I just go to check N520 Cooler Master... It only say support i7 Processor.... Does it prefect fit with Intel i5 750?

http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?ca...product_id=5983

You have to see the pin..
It's 1366 and 775.
I think yours is 1156..

it will not supported by your cpu.. it just support core i7 which are used socket 1366 while u are using socket 1156.. but you also can try cooler master hyper tx3..even it does not perform as well as hyper N520.. but it was quite good in performance.. and it also affordable price..

you also can looking at another brand like thermaltake.. they are also good perform brand on cooler system hardware...

Hello, TS mind tumpang thread? can anyone help me with overclocking with my rig below?

A good guide, simple and easy to understand:

http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclockin...-beginners.html

Hope it helps and sorry for the OT

Hmm.... where can I learn to set the voltage for my mobo? If there is any guide or specific calculation? Coz now i'm setting my voltage auto. Some reviews says it's not good to put the voltage on auto. The problem is too many setting and a lot of different setting teach by different people. Make me confused. Now i'm switching back to normal coz didn't know the correct setting for the voltage. Mobo=EP43T-DS3L Proc=E8400. Can see my setting in previous post. TQ.