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TSKing83
post Feb 18 2010, 04:19 AM, updated 15y ago

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In the 90s, when you tell someone you're playing an RPG, people would know you're playing a game with
- leveling
- items
- cities to visit
- random monster encounters
- story

Now the term has evolved to the following

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Definition
A role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters


in essense, every game is now an RPG. As long as u assume the roles of any character, it's an RPG.
It's so general that when u tell someone you're playing an RPG, it means nothing.

FF Dissidia is labeled as an RPG when it is clearly a fighting game.

If that's the case, maybe we should call Tekken an RPG too since there is leveling of ranks, items with stats (in scenario campaign).

Even your old school contra shooter is an RPG cos u assume the role of one of the army doods. The term has no weight and meaning now,
it's like not saying anything at all. Which game is not an RPG? I can tell you all games are now considered as RPG... thanks to whomever that created
this useless term.

Parasite Eve is an RPG when i would like to call it an action game. Just because you can level up guns & some magic skills, it is now an RPG.
My goodness, i won't even consider Parasite eve an A-RPG. A-RPG games are games like kingdom hearts where in the battles u can run around to hack and slash
but still follows the traditional sense of the term RPG where there are cities to visit and there is a main story.

Anyone else share my view and hate how this term has now been evolved?
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post Feb 18 2010, 05:56 AM

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you are sadly mistaken. ff dissidia is not an rpg. even on wikipidia it states that it is not an rpg.

the definition you gave is wrong.

however, i do understand ur reason of rant.

in my opinion most rpgs are defined by the ability to gain experience and level up or something similar to that.

the more a player's dependancy on this "leveling up" shows the more "rpg" it is.

i would say a traditional rpg is an adventure game with fighting in between.

many developers are retards not knowing wat a real rpg is. however nowadays developers are becoming smart.

even mass effect 2 is being marketed more of an fps with rpg elements other than the other way around.

parasite eve? used to love it. same with dmc i'd say that they're action games with rpg elements.

regardless. you know what i hate?

MMORPGs.
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tekken is not rpg .. dissidia is not rpg .

rpg is simply a game where u use a character, you walk around, avoid obstacles , missions and fight a big boss . thats rpg . and leveling
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RPG - Put yourself in a character's shoe and immerse yourself playing as him/her
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post Feb 18 2010, 10:33 AM

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wiki says Dissidia is an A-RPG

QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Feb 18 2010, 09:33 AM)
RPG - Put yourself in a character's shoe and immerse yourself playing as him/her
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which means every game is an RPG.
Even FPS is RPG cos u are playing as someone.
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post Feb 18 2010, 10:40 AM

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agree the term "RPG" is misleading~

By definition of the word "role play", I would consider games like Fallout 3, Mass Effect to be more RPG than Final Fantasy.
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QUOTE(King83 @ Feb 18 2010, 10:33 AM)
wiki says Dissidia is an A-RPG
which means every game is an RPG.
Even FPS is RPG cos u are playing as someone.
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You do believe everything wiki says? shocking.gif


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post Feb 18 2010, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Feb 18 2010, 11:29 AM)
You do believe everything wiki says? shocking.gif
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proves that many believe it to be an RPG...
RPG is a term which describes everything.

so why do we need a term which describes everything again?

So you can talk to someone and describe mario as an adventure game, they are gonna shoot u down and say "no, mario is an RPG"
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cos u're playing as mario
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Mario is platform game I believe hmm.gif
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No, Mario is a RTS.

Real Time = Controls are real time, you press jump, Mario jumps, you can't un-jump. It is also not turn based.

Strategy = Must jump at the right time and right place and right height and land at the right time and right place and right time, successful completion of the game requires strategic planning.
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post Feb 18 2010, 07:01 PM

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hentai game is an rpg coz it is so immersive
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Google or wiki Gary Gygax.

he is Grandfather of roleplaying games.

Game that launched the genre?

Dungeons & Dragons.

Capcom made two awesome Final Fight-style Dungeons & Dragons game, that was copied by IGS in their Knights of Valour games....
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post Feb 18 2010, 08:14 PM

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where did u get that definition from?
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QUOTE(BelowAverage @ Feb 18 2010, 08:14 PM)
where did u get that definition from?
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i got it from wiki also but it is correct cos no matter where u go, every gamer will tell you
RPG means a game where you take the role of the character you're playing as.

proof:

QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Feb 18 2010, 09:33 AM)
RPG - Put yourself in a character's shoe and immerse yourself playing as him/her
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post Feb 18 2010, 11:06 PM

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Role Playing Game (RPG)?

It should have a few key defining elements for a game to be labeled as an RPG: Statistical information for each character, these statistical information for each character fluctuates/changes (increase or decrease depending on level and status inflicted) from time to time, time rotations per cycle, and last but not least the menu driven combat system.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Super Mario Bros is considered as action/platfom genre.

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Feb 19 2010, 02:27 AM
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QUOTE(King83 @ Feb 18 2010, 04:19 AM)
In the 90s, when you tell someone you're playing an RPG, people would know you're playing a game with
- leveling
- items
- cities to visit
- random monster encounters
- story

Now the term has evolved to the following
in essense, every game is now an RPG. As long as u assume the roles of any character, it's an RPG.
It's so general that when u tell someone you're playing an RPG, it means nothing.

FF Dissidia is labeled as an RPG when it is clearly a fighting game.

If that's the case, maybe we should call Tekken an RPG too since there is leveling of ranks, items with stats (in scenario campaign).

Even your old school contra shooter is an RPG cos u assume the role of one of the army doods. The term has no weight and meaning now,
it's like not saying anything at all. Which game is not an RPG? I can tell you all games are now considered as RPG... thanks to whomever that created
this useless term.

Parasite Eve is an RPG when i would like to call it an action game. Just because you can level up guns & some magic skills, it is now an RPG.
My goodness, i won't even consider Parasite eve an A-RPG. A-RPG games are games like kingdom hearts where in the battles u can run around to hack and slash
but still follows the traditional sense of the term RPG where there are cities to visit and there is a main story.

Anyone else share my view and hate how this term has now been evolved?
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IT was 4 am and you were blabbering about this? laugh.gif
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post Feb 18 2010, 11:26 PM

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Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) is the grand daddy of key defining RPG genre.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Wikipedia is not 100% accurate and to be honest, there's no common definition for RPG. It's all convoluted in this dot com age.
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QUOTE(King83 @ Feb 18 2010, 04:19 AM)
In the 90s, when you tell someone you're playing an RPG, people would know you're playing a game with
- leveling
- items
- cities to visit
- random monster encounters
- story

Now the term has evolved to the following
in essense, every game is now an RPG. As long as u assume the roles of any character, it's an RPG.
It's so general that when u tell someone you're playing an RPG, it means nothing.

FF Dissidia is labeled as an RPG when it is clearly a fighting game.

If that's the case, maybe we should call Tekken an RPG too since there is leveling of ranks, items with stats (in scenario campaign).

Even your old school contra shooter is an RPG cos u assume the role of one of the army doods. The term has no weight and meaning now,
it's like not saying anything at all. Which game is not an RPG? I can tell you all games are now considered as RPG... thanks to whomever that created
this useless term.

Parasite Eve is an RPG when i would like to call it an action game. Just because you can level up guns & some magic skills, it is now an RPG.
My goodness, i won't even consider Parasite eve an A-RPG. A-RPG games are games like kingdom hearts where in the battles u can run around to hack and slash
but still follows the traditional sense of the term RPG where there are cities to visit and there is a main story.

Anyone else share my view and hate how this term has now been evolved?
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2", RPG = Rocket Propelled Grenade.
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post Feb 19 2010, 02:09 AM

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games which make use few of these terms are considered RPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game_terms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game

For Dissidia: Final Fantasy, well, it is a fighting game too according to wikipedia, they called it ARPG too probably because of it being part of Final Fantasy series

back to TS, don't just quote that one line from Wikipedia, you need to read the entire article, and also the link I provided above

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These games usually have a highly developed story and setting, which is divided into a number of quests. Players control one or several characters by issuing commands, which is performed by the character at an effectiveness determined by that character's numeric attributes. These attributes increase each time a character gains a level, and a character's level goes up each time the player accumulates a certain amount of experience


no other genres other than RPG offers that kind of detail regarding the "attributes", its not the storyline and characters, but the character stats aka dynamic attributes that distinguish RPG from the rest

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Feb 19 2010, 02:12 AM

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