am not in urgent need of a car at the moment.........and i really need to change my 14 year old perdana, the gearbox is starting to give a second round of trouble.........so i will just quietly wait........

a question for those who got the 2nd batch......

what brand of tyres and batteries does your car come with...........?

in which case, you will still have no car..........and wondering when you car will come.........if at all.......

tested?.........i am not aware there is actually any 2l available for viewing (except on launch), let alone test drive.......

my bad, did not read your earlier post on test driving in spore........

feeling like alice.............

As parents, we must be FIRM in handling of children....

first of all, all kids sits at the back, no exceptions.......mine only are allowed to sit in front when they are in their teens.........

mum will usually sit at the back with them when they are small..........

for small toddlers, say up to 3 years old, they sit in baby chair strapped in.......mum can interact with them, or suitable toys be given to them to play during journeys........

after that, use booster seats and the car's normal seat belts.........after about 3, they will be able to learn car ride means the back strapped in.........again give them some toys, or better still, books to read..........

the usual mistake parents make is to give in to them........they cry, and one or both parents will manja them, and give in........bring them to the front, let them sit of the lap, or stand looking out the window, etc........guess what's the lesson they learn.........?

i have 3 kids.........no problems........they learn very early they cannot manipulate you by crying and throwing tantrums.....punish them if necessary......yea, cane or spank them.........but always be clear the REASON for the punishment..........

again.........firmness and consistency is the key...........

the forward pull at idle speed depends on the idle rpm, and the terrain.......the idle rpm for most cars are set at about 750-900rpm.........

on flat road, when engaged to D, the car should inch forward......and the forte auto coupling is smooth, there is little jerk, unlike some cars like the myvi, which has a high idle rpm when the aircon is on, and jerks badly on engaging gear.........

on a upslope, if the forward pull equals the weight, then the car should remain stationary.........if the slope is slight, the car should still pull forward.......if the slope is steep, then gravity pulling the car overcomes the small torque of idle engine, and the car will slide backwards........

it is always wise to have the brake on when stopping at a slope........or, like me, i will engage the handbrake in that situation..........

in other words, the small torque of the idle engine is NOT meant to help keep your car stationary........

but those who have driven manual cars before will know the trick of partially releasing the clutch to keep a car stationary on a slope.........the same can be done for autotranny, just step lightly on the accelerator to increase the torque to keep the car still.........

just be careful, that's all..........

that is very conflicting information.........

it is refundable lah..........since they still have no car for you after 3 months.......just to back to them, tell them you don't want the car anymore as you cannot wait for ever, and since it's their fault, demand your money back........

they cannot say no, as it's naza who is at fault...........

if this means anything, here's what my sa said today........

manager said car will come either end of march or beginning april........

in jan, said can get before cny.......

so maybe my sa is right.........

there seems to be an inordinate number of wheel alignment problem, for a new car, which is very strange.......it should not be the case, as all this should have been tested and corrected at the factory.........

very odd.......i never had this problem with all the new cars i have had before........

the manufacturers, and the service centers will always want you to service your car frequently, and with the most expensive oil.........

modern engines need less frequent services, some only need service every 15k km........certainly, 10k is a safe bet.........

which oil you use, depends of your pocket, and the usage........i take a compromise, and use semi-syn......and every 10k.......

so what oil do you think the likes of bmw and volvo use for their scheduled 15k services.........

i do not know the exact specs of the oil recommended, but there are different varieties of oil for the same specs, and it is up to the individual to decide what he wants to use.......

btw, in the us, the forte service recommended is 7500miles........or about 12k km.........

you are mistaken.......the ambient temperature have little impact on the actual temperature of the engine after it is completely warmed up, with a properly working cooling system.........ie, the same car will have the same engine temperature when warmed up, whether in alaska or kl...........

however, the cold start temperature will be lower in the temperate climates, which is why they need oils that do not gel in low temperatures.........ie, the range of temperature is higher there than in the tropics.........

it's the cold start bit that does the most damage to engines, NOT when it is properly warmed up, like when stuck in a kl jam...........

but if your cooling system fails, your engine will overheat, and that is another matter.........nothing to do with kl heat or jams...........

you can believe whatever you want, but cars with the SAME engine used by different manufacturers come with different recommendations......good example is the k3-ve 1.3 engine used in avanza and myvi.........ie, the recommendation is based on the manufacturing company's policy, rather than the technical needs of the engine......

in any case, not everybody is in kl, and some specifically said their cars are low usage ones........

let the individual hear the options, and decide for himself...........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 7 2010, 11:32 PM

i do NOT own a forte (yet), and i have not seen the manual.........i do not know what spec naza recommends......

but the sae numbers specify viscosity at a standard temperature, and the lower the sae number, the lower the viscosity........the w in the number stands for winter........so you have qw, 5w, 10w, 15w, 20w, 25w.........above 30 there is no w rating, as these oil are NOT designed for cold climates..........modern oils are multigrade, ie designed to be usable in a wide range of temperature........hence the 2 figures........

the lower the sae number the less viscose, and usable at lower temperatures......therefore if kia specified 5w-30, they are obvious specifying the oil for korean use, where they have winters........it will do NOTHING for the heat of kl.........in fact, if one is concerned about the heat of kl, a higher viscosity (ie higher sae number) oild would be better.........

that however has also NOTHING to do with the type of oil (not grade), which we are talking about, ie whether they are mineral (ie natural extracted from petroleum), or synthetic, or in between.......mineral oils needs additives to allow it to have wide range of operating temperature (ie multigrade), and it is these additives that gets burnt and degrades the oil.......synthetics do not need these additives and hence degrade slower......

how often they need changing......well, read this from wiki......



i am not sure if kia/naza specify full synthetics, i doubt.....so for those who intend to do the 5k/3mth change regularly, use mineral.........those who want to do 10k/6mths, maybe use semi synthetic or full synthetic.......

unless you have lots of dough, in which case, go ahead, use syns and change them every 3 months.......it will not do you car much good, but the spent oil certainly is doing the environment a lot of harm.........

i said no such thing...........i said the ambient temperature does NOT affect the operating engine temperature when fully warmed up (normally between 80-90 c depending on the thermostat, which is well above any ambient temperature).......

and i did NOT ever advise people to use any grade of oil different from the recommended sae numbers........

the issue here is about which type of oil to use, ie mineral or synthetic..........and the service cycle......

no news..........looks like no further development for 2.0 buyers?..........