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post Feb 18 2014, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(CallMeBin @ Feb 18 2014, 09:16 PM)
Heard from senior that we've to buy the pin separately for UPU and USM, is it true for now ?
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Yup. Because USM is APEX status need different application.
My advice is better you choose USM application and prepare UPU too just in case.
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post Feb 18 2014, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(CallMeBin @ Feb 18 2014, 09:27 PM)
PIN for USM can be bought in BSN too ?

Alright.

If I got chosen to USM, do I still have the chance to choose UPU ? (in case I reject the offer)
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Normally people get USM will not choose UPU anymore. Because you choose distinct choice in USM.
You need go through a test and interview for USM. I'm not sure where to get the pin. Sorry about this.
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post Feb 19 2014, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 19 2014, 05:25 PM)
Hi there. I'm new to this forum.
Okay , i know this is a stupid question but Im actually wondering  whats the difference between a bachelor degree in mechanical eng from a private uni , for instance UTAR and the one from our public university ?

Will the one from public uni have the edge compared to that of private uni?

Before u guys start shooting at me , i just want to inform that i have tried my very best googling this topic.

Thanks a lot for taking time to answer my question icon_question.gif
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First, you need see those universities of private or public is accredited by BEM.
http://www.bem.org.my/v3/listofaccreditedprogrammes.html
Check the link above. If the engineering course is not accredited mean it's worth nothing.

Public university academic fee is very cheap compared to private. RM1.2k for every sem included hostel in USM engineering because most of the academic fee supported by government.

For career wise, I think almost the same. Just certain company prefer certain university. That's all.
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post Feb 20 2014, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 12:48 AM)
Hey , thanks. what a prompt reply!

Yeah , i know bout the BEM from reading this thread  icon_idea.gif
okay , just take an example , for utar
http://www.eac.org.my/web/document/list%20...12.2012)%20.pdf
there is sth that confuse me about the With Effect From 2009 (Graduate Year)
it is accredited by BEM for the latest gradute year which is 2013 - 2014.
so i wonder how can we know that our graduate year will also be accredited by the BEM ?

hmm, do u mind elaborate more about the 'certain company prefer certain university' statement ?

Thank you very much and hope that u don mind i ask so many questions at one time  rclxms.gif
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Hi,

<<there is sth that confuse me about the With Effect From 2009 (Graduate Year)
it is accredited by BEM for the latest gradute year which is 2013 - 2014.>>
W.E.F 2009 - mean starting from 2009 accreditation on engineering course based on graduate year.
BEM will come your university and accredited your course. If fail, then gg. As simple as that.
Just before this, they come early.. Now change to come late to accredited the course.

Before 2009 eg. 2006-2008, accreditation based on intakes years (see the pdf again). Meaning that if university get accreditation on 2007, your intake year also 2007.. Mean you will graduate safely without worry anything.

<<hmm, do u mind elaborate more about the 'certain company prefer certain university' statement ? >>
For example Intel do like to recruit UTM students because their study syllabus is preferable by Intel.
Some engineering like Mineral & Resources from USM have very high demand from those mining company etc because other universities unable to provide such graduates.
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post Feb 20 2014, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 05:08 AM)
I tot i misunderstood that wef meaning previously...
For what reason they would have this kind of system in place T.T

isnt it the bem accreditation initial purpose is to make sure no students will enroll into the not recognized courses? So now with that being said , is it no private unis will not hv to 'worry' and all will be a bit 'risky' now?

I really gg now , dono how to choose.

So i suppose ure a public uni graduate , am i rite?
would u mind to tel me what field r u in?

Last but not least , thank you again =]
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<<isnt it the bem accreditation initial purpose is to make sure no students will enroll into the not recognized courses? So now with that being said , is it no private unis will not hv to 'worry' and all will be a bit 'risky' now?>>
EAC accreditation is to ensure that graduates of the accredited engineering programmes satisfy the minimum academic requirements for registration as a graduate engineer with the Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and for admission to graduate membership of IEM.

Why EAC Accreditation is important?
 Accreditation helps students and their parents to choose quality college programmes.
 Accreditation enables employers to recruit graduates they know are well-prepared.
 Accreditation gives colleges and universities a structured mechanism to assess,
evaluate, and improve the quality of their programs.

I'm graduated from USM, engineering.
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post Feb 20 2014, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 02:53 PM)
Their first aim < Accreditation helps students and their parents to choose quality college programmes > and the following FAQ sound a bit controversial for me. It's like if ur course fails to get accredited , thats it u , go dai.

FAQ No 16.
If a student enrolled in any accredited programme, but later on during the programme the
accreditation status is withdrawn, then what will be the status of the degree that a
student gained? 

Accreditation with the BEM is voluntary. However, MQA requires all programmes in Malaysia
to be accredited. If it happens that the programme is not accredited, there is not much
recourse except the graduate may sue the University for not maintaining the standard to
such an extent that accreditation is withdrawn. That is why it is the best that you look for
universities with good track records.
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You see those universities have good track records will be fine. Mostly, they know how to pass the accreditation.
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post Feb 20 2014, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 03:24 PM)
haha , okay . Thanks for your info  thumbup.gif

I'll think about everything again from now until i get my spm result ,
still looking for direction in the middle of the ocean  shakehead.gif

btw , you dont like ur engineering job? i saw that u said u jumped from an eng to become an app developer .
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It's just move to what I want. Not that I don't like engineering jobs. brows.gif
Not all engineering graduates remained in engineering, some moved to banking, arts etc.
Learn to let go your past, will benefits for your future. laugh.gif
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post Feb 20 2014, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 04:15 PM)
oh well, learned sth today rclxm9.gif

hope u all the best and btw , u re developing games ? rclxm9.gif
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Nope. laugh.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 28 2014, 01:04 PM)
Hi , few questions here..

First and foremost , it is about that career prospect in the mech.eng field. Ihave checked the employability of mechanical engineer thru the newspaper and saw most of them require a minimum of three to four years experience in the related field . So whats there for the fresh graduates? Is it the internship programme?  Can u enlighten me on this internship matter since i do not know anyone who had studied eng in a uni  bfore in my 'real' life.
Also , for mech eng, can u recommend me afew of the unis which are reputable of their edu qualiities? Both public and private. Am i correct that its the usm or utm for the public unis?
Btw, have u ever heard of Heriot Watt uni malaysia campus? I contacted them after reading their ads in the star. According to their 'employee'(i used whatsapp) , they are yet to be accredited by the bem and its the rocedure of every new uni. She also said the current year one will only receive the provisional accreditation tilll their graduate year only will they receive the full recognition. Is it true and r they reputable for their quality of edu ?

Im  really sorry for this long post and once again distrb u . I just want to make sure which one is the best route/move as im not from a well to do family. I have a very deep interest in engineering ,even a 'simple' steam engine will intrigue me alot of how it works.
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<<So whats there for the fresh graduates?>>
Yup, there are job for freshie too, just apply those 1 year exp or fresh grad job

<<Is it the internship programme? >>
Internship is industrial training before you graduate from University, normally you will go for internship during end of 3rd year. Engineering need to study for 4 years.
You will apply a job and work around 3months, some university 6 months and exposed to engineering working environment.

<<for mech eng, can u recommend me afew of the unis which are reputable of their edu qualiities?>>
USM, UM - You can get in using A level / STPM / Matrix
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3871210
To be safe, cgpa around >3.7 to 4.0 in STPM will get you there.

<< Am i correct that its the usm or utm for the public unis? >>
Yup

<<Btw, have u ever heard of Heriot Watt uni malaysia campus?>>
Never heard of, and if they have yet accredited by BEM, just forget about this choice.
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post Mar 4 2014, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(EricYong! @ Mar 4 2014, 01:39 PM)
Can anybody tell me what's the difference between UNMC's 4 years Master engineering programme and other engineering programme offered by other uni like UTP, UTM etc where getting a bachelor needs 4 years?
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Every engineering to be accredited by Board of Engineering Malaysia need to study at least 4 years.

For nottingham, http://www.eac.org.my/web/document/list%20...10.12.2013).pdf
Only master degree was accredited by BEM. You will get master at the end of study.
3 years course, you can get bachelor degree, but not accredited by BEM.
So, you need to take 4 years course like Master.

Whereas, other uni, you will get a bachelor degree.

It's same approach, but 1 get master in UNMC and 1 get bachelor in other uni.
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post Mar 4 2014, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(EricYong! @ Mar 4 2014, 02:10 PM)
Which means a BEng and MEng from USM has 2 certs, whereas UNMC's BEng/MEng has only 1 cert which is master?

But why other unis need another extra year to get BEng? Modules different?
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Engineering course must need 4 years, requirement stated by BEM.
So, UNMC's bachelor 3 years is not accredited by BEM which is a kind of syok sendiri cert.
But as long as the engineering is 4 years then BEM may be approve the course. Like MEng of UNMC.
UNMC is like a shortcut course only. sweat.gif

If your course don't have accreditation from BEM, in the future you can't apply for professional engineer.
You cert is same like those non-engineering general cert only if no accreditation.

For master in engineering like those USM, there are 2 approach to get it, via research or study.
Yup, USM have 2 different certs for MEng and BEng.


Edit: For degree which is not recognised (e.g. 3 years programme) need to be top up with a master degree by instruction from accredited university.

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post Mar 4 2014, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(EricYong! @ Mar 4 2014, 02:42 PM)
So, is a BEng (4 years) from USM/UTP or MEng (4 years) from UNMC better based on employment after graduate?
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I stay as neutral on this subjective question.
It's merely based on the quality of students on future employment matters.
"Trash university can produce world class students, world class university can produce trash students."

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post Mar 25 2014, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(CallMeBin @ Mar 25 2014, 01:26 PM)
Is it true that engineering requires STRONG mathematical skills ?
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How you define strong?
Just required decent math and decent physics IMO.
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post Mar 25 2014, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(CallMeBin @ Mar 25 2014, 03:13 PM)
If define by results, should at least get a B+ ? No idea actually

If that's the case,  rclxm9.gif . Nothing to be worried
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I think should at least 'B+' in STPM math or 'A+' in add math in SPM so, we call it decent.
You still can continue with less decent result, since everyone can improve their math or etc during engineering time, if they willing to improve.
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post Apr 1 2014, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(HillYap96 @ Apr 1 2014, 05:10 PM)
Engineering Diploma holders of the School are exempted from relevant papers in the BEM/IEM Examination, what does this mean?
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The IEM/BEM Graduate Examinations is for assessment of candidates for admission to Graduate membership of The
Institution of Engineers, Malaysia.

This Graduate Examination is organised by The Institution of Engineers, Malaysia and supported by the Board of Engineers, Malaysia.

The IEM/BEM Graduate Examinations is conducted solely to comply with the requirements for Graduate
membership of The Institution of Engineers, Malaysia and hence to registration as Graduate Engineers with the
Board of Engineers, Malaysia.

The objective of holding the IEM/BEM Graduate Examinations is to provide an opportunity for Malaysians to
achieve professional status through local professional examinations.


Meaning that, students do not need to take this examination from that school.
The reason maybe you will continue the study for degree, and the degree is accredited by BEM.
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post Apr 2 2014, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(HillYap96 @ Apr 2 2014, 01:41 PM)
what happens if i went for an engineering institution which is not accredited by BEM? eg.TARC
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EAC accreditation is to ensure that graduates of the accredited engineering programmes
satisfy the minimum academic requirements for registration as a graduate engineer with the
Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and for admission to graduate membership of IEM.

<<what happens if i went for an engineering institution which is not accredited by BEM?>>
You not able to register professional engineer (Ir title) in BEM.
Your career will be limited to normal engineering. You don't have career advancement in engineering to Ir.
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post Apr 30 2014, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(walaua94 @ Apr 30 2014, 05:44 PM)
Hi, here to ask some may-off-topic questions, recently im a STPM leaver and waiting for IPTA intake... i'm interested in engineer (civil the most), Just ask

1. If i complete my study with architecture in IPTA, can i study civil engineer (degree) again in IPTA? (no money to IPTS)

2. If can, which route shuld i go to the admissions? Adult class? Which cert it refer to? Does it still need my old STPM result?

3. Can i take major + minor or double major or double degree in IPTA? (Heard from others is no.)

Just ask these because scared cannot get civil engineer course in IPTA. =( heard competitive in civil without 4 flat.
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To secure your place in civil engineering even in top IPTA universities, you only need around 3.5-3.7 cgpa in STPM.
Civil engineering is one of the lowest cgpa needed in Engineering among other engineering like Electrical, Chemical, Electronics, Aerospace etc.

Some questions hard to answer because different universities may have different rules. For example, USM do not have major, minor in engineering faculty.
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post May 3 2014, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ May 3 2014, 01:13 AM)
LOL, lately, the requirement being rised quite a lot already. Averagely you need 3.8 even for the last time lowest CGPA's Civil Engineering.
sos (sorry it is in Chinese)
http://www.quansheng.org/p/blog-page_11.html
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This is a good reference for everyone. Thanks for sharing. laugh.gif

Let's take USM Civil Engineering as an example, link
From the table, 2012/2013 for STPM min-max still do need 3.50-3.92 to get Civil Engineering.
2013/2014 table for UTM, need cgpa 3.67-3.92.
2013/2014 table for UM, need cgpa 3.50-3.92.

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post May 3 2014, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ May 3 2014, 01:40 AM)
And majority of them are at the upper boundary...

Also, take a look at UPM, LEL... Only 5 candicates and minimum also 3.84... rolleyes.gif
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/202428953...iew_mode=scroll
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Seems getting tougher and tougher to enter. brows.gif

Do notice that USM and UTM recruit a lot of civil engineering students. shocking.gif
So, if student hit the minimum requirement mark, they have a chance. laugh.gif
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post May 20 2014, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(XyzionzX @ May 20 2014, 02:55 PM)
I have a question that even myself cant answer, okay, i have strong interest in automotive, computers and designing (arts but i have only a slight talent), actually i decided to be a computer hardware engineer but automotive seems more promising as i like how engine works and how to improve and pump more torque and horsepower to the backwheels and make it turn moon upside down in 5 seconds, i love physics and math but i failed my add math as i cant remember the formulas, my teacher is trying to help me memorize formulas but i am bad at memorizing but i can memorizing how a engine or a computer part works, maybe of strong interest, but the thing is here, i cant remember add math formulas but i love physics, math. My english teacher told me i should go for writing but i love physics and math more than english, can anyone help me?

i m a form 5 student now excel in physics, chemistry, english, add math (only in homework) and ICT
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Take your first choice, computer hardware engineering.
Automotive is promising but I don't see that is what you want, so, just ignore that choice.

Love math or physics doesn't mean you will love engineering. sweat.gif

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