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post Jan 25 2010, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jan 25 2010, 11:10 PM)
one more thing about this paper, one of the main writer of the paper is  Professor Steven E. Jones, which is a physic proferssor in BYU, his college who is Professor Emeritus of Civil Engineering, and someone that should be more qualified to comment on the cause of the collapse refuted the finding in the paper.
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  Letter to the Editor
Refuting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

April 09, 2006

Dear Editor,

After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his "Conspiracy Theory" relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).

I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones' (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.

The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.

Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.

D. Allan Firmage

Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU



You are presenting a 2006 email to rebuke a 2009 science paper?


Man you're incorrigible. All I see is always the word 'conspiracy theory' used to humiliate those who do not subscribe to the mainstream accepted stance.


Since when did science turn into a name-calling mudslinging exercise for people who couldn't make their point without throwing the label 'conspiracy theory' around?


*LOL* carry on. Discredit the messenger, in this case, steve jones, but he wasn't the only one who contributed to the 2009 pdf, but of course, you don't care about that.

You just want to WIN... to Swing opinion to your side as much as possible.


You just want to discredit the entire pdf by attempting to discredit a person there with a 2006 email.


Do you realize how desperate you're looking ? Carry on. You're good at that. Let readers see the true Robert Ngo.

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post Jan 25 2010, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(garytong @ Jan 25 2010, 11:20 PM)
You are presenting a 2006 email to rebuke a 2009 science paper?

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ok my mistake,Prof Allan Firmage email was refering to the 2005 paper by Prof Jones that said explosive cause the building to collapese, not nano thermite.
SUSgarytong
post Jan 25 2010, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jan 25 2010, 11:52 PM)
ok my mistake,Prof Allan Firmage email was refering to the 2005 paper by Prof Jones that said explosive cause the building to collapese, not nano thermite.
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Even then, a simple short email to debunk a 42 page report, and using his 'credentials' instead of tackling the entire paper with his own counter-thesis, instead resorting to 'conspiracy theory' labeling, very much tells me that I have to beware of this Professor's credibility too, as he is resorting to character assassination instead of properly thought out science.


Anyway, do whatever you like. I know where I stand and others hopefully do too. It's pointless to shout who's got the biggest *toot* in this thread.
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post Jan 26 2010, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(garytong @ Jan 25 2010, 11:55 PM)
Even then, a simple short email to debunk a 42 page report, and using his 'credentials' instead of tackling the entire paper with his own counter-thesis, instead resorting to 'conspiracy theory' labeling, very much tells me that I have to beware of this Professor's credibility too, as he is resorting to character assassination instead of properly thought out science.
Anyway, do whatever you like. I know where I stand and others hopefully do too. It's pointless to shout who's got the biggest *toot* in this thread.
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there is not need to debunk the report now, since Prof Jones have already changed its mind and now change to nano thermite being the cause. as Prof Allan Firmage point out FEMA and NIST have already publish their report on the collapse as with many other structural engineering expert

http://www.fema.gov/rebuild/mat/wtcstudy.shtm

http://wtc.nist.gov/

http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/

http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/b.../Papers/405.pdf

http://www.fireengineering.com/index/artic...ding-codes.html

now let say Professor Jones is right about the thermite, this raise several question on the control demolition of WTC

1) why use thermite and not explosive, why thermite will be more effective in building demolition?

2) how is the thermite applied to the column without office worker noticing it?

3) how is the energy of the thermite controlled to burn through steel column?

4) how do they set off the thermite

5) how fast can the thermite burn through the steel, how does this correspond to the speed of the collapse?

6) who is the one that planned for the demolition of the tower? what can they gain for the tower going down?

7) how does this explain all the other computer model simulation have support the theory of tower collapse due to fire and impact of the jetliner?

8) is there any proof that the thermite have cut through any of the steel column, the paper is about some thermite material found in the dust. but is there any other physical proof that steel column have been cut by thermite?

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post Jan 26 2010, 03:04 PM

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Ok, robert ngo, you can shift your attention to Niels Harrit and assassinate his character now.

Come on show me the familiar 'Conspiracy Theorist' insult. Come on Robert Ngo, YOU CAN DO IT!

While you're at that, do read up on who is responsible for the WTC security and who owns the company, Securacom.

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_09.htm
http://www.utne.com/2003-02-01/Secrecy-Sur...estigation.aspx


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o





Come on, whack him! Discredit and assassinate his character!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLu3VBGF5As



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post Jan 26 2010, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(garytong @ Jan 26 2010, 03:04 PM)
While you're at that, do read up on who is responsible for the WTC security and who owns the company, Securacom.

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_09.htm
http://www.utne.com/2003-02-01/Secrecy-Sur...estigation.aspx
i am confuse now, the link talk about explosive being planted in the WTC. so which method do you believe have been used thermite or explosive?


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post Jan 26 2010, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jan 26 2010, 03:19 PM)
i am confuse now, the link talk about explosive being planted in the WTC. so which method do you believe have been used thermite or explosive?
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It can be more than just thermite, because the WTC tower was locked down weeks before. it can be a combo of thermite and explosives, or the way it is used. That's what a proper re-investigation is all about, because the official 911 investigation competely ignored and made no attempts to find explosive materials.


That's why the Architects and Engineers are calling for reinvestigation!

http://www.ae911truth.org/


The biggest suspect is Securacom. <----- Investigate this b****!


nano-thermite was found, that was the solid proof. What we don't know yet is the details on how it was actually used, which is why we need a re-investigation!

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post Jan 26 2010, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(garytong @ Jan 26 2010, 03:04 PM)
Ok, robert ngo, you can shift your attention to Niels Harrit and assassinate his character now.

Come on show me the familiar 'Conspiracy Theorist' insult. Come on Robert Ngo, YOU CAN DO IT!
why do i need to assassinate his character? i will left it the explosive beliver to assassinate the character of the nano thermite believer

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/08/02...it-is-a-weasel/

in their own paper they admit the source of their sample have been collected by several individual have been sitting in their house for several years, they cannot be sure that there is no contamination or the sample is really from the WTC.

and they admitted that they have not made attempt to identify what kind of nano thermite it is
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Ordinary thermite ignites at a much higher temperature
(about 900 °C or above) and gives a significantly broader
trace than super-thermite [21]. All these data suggest that the
thermitic material found in the WTC dust is a form of nanothermite,
not ordinary (macro-) thermite. We make no attempt
to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present
until more is learned about the red material and especially
about the nature of the organic material it contains.


it just reminded then of the thermite being developed in labs

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These observations
reminded us of nano-thermite fabricated at the Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory and elsewhere; available
papers describe this material as an intimate mixture of UFG
aluminum and iron oxide in nano-thermite composites to
form pyrotechnics or explosives [19-21]. The thermite reaction
involves aluminum and a metal oxide, as in this typical
reaction with iron oxide:



and you have not address my previous question on the how thermite can be use in controlled demolition

1) why use thermite and not explosive, why thermite will be more effective in building demolition?

2) how is the thermite applied to the column without office worker noticing it?

3) how is the energy of the thermite controlled to burn through steel column?

4) how do they set off the thermite

5) how fast can the thermite burn through the steel, how does this correspond to the speed of the collapse?

6) who is the one that planned for the demolition of the tower? what can they gain for the tower going down?

7) how does this explain all the other computer model simulation have support the theory of tower collapse due to fire and impact of the jetliner?

8) how can they be sure which floor the plane will hit, if the plane hit the floors with thermite, will it not set off all the thermite, why they dont set of the thermite after the plane hit? what are they waiting for?

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post Jan 26 2010, 06:15 PM

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And the man has started to tar and lump dissenters as conspiracy theorists.


You have finally shown your true colors. A pseudo-scientist who is a scientist wannabe.


Watch this video and please tell me why this video is considered conspiracy theory ?

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=54...672657056760447
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post Apr 6 2011, 11:36 AM

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It's interesting that you brought this subject up in 2010 and now even some of my Japanese associates are suspecting the recent earthquake/tsunami are direct impact of HAARP.



QUOTE(garytong @ Jan 22 2010, 05:24 AM)
Source from USA DOD and William Cohen.

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcr...ranscriptid=674

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcHPAR_5TEc

If you don't agree, discuss.
But remember, this source is reliable, and right from the horse's mouth.

And I am bit surprised they're accusing 'terrorists' of possessing such weapons, when they should point at themselves instead, since we know there's nothing terrorists could obtain that the US Military not already possess in a more advanced form.
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post Apr 6 2011, 11:18 PM

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I watched National geographic video long time ago about the HAARP that were developed to find ways to predict and measure earth quake, it was abandoned after that fearing it might cause unintentional quake but its location can be detected if used and made from rocket engine.


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