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post Jan 22 2010, 06:24 PM, updated 16y ago

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Source from USA DOD and William Cohen.

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcr...ranscriptid=674

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcHPAR_5TEc





If you don't agree, discuss.


But remember, this source is reliable, and right from the horse's mouth.

And I am bit surprised they're accusing 'terrorists' of possessing such weapons, when they should point at themselves instead, since we know there's nothing terrorists could obtain that the US Military not already possess in a more advanced form.

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post Jan 22 2010, 07:09 PM


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need not debunking. science is just the tool. its the person that use the tool that makes it for good or for bad.

that's the reason why the development of science need to go along with ethics
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post Jan 22 2010, 08:18 PM

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Harrp...long time ago conspiracy.

but i feel there are gonna some mass killings somewhere near soon other than Haiti....war in iran?
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post Jan 22 2010, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Jan 22 2010, 08:18 PM)
Harrp...long time ago conspiracy.

but i feel there are gonna some mass killings somewhere near soon other than Haiti....war in iran?
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Yes, no more conspiracy theory, but conspiracy fact....


Even the ex Sec of Defense William Cohen admits to the existence of such weapons.


But of course we know these creeps are just pretending to be innocent, and laying the blame on terrorists.


We know they're the ones who could arm these terrorists and they probably possessed a much more advanced version of such eco-weapons themselves.


It's amazing this transcript is right off the Department of Defense website, a .gov designation.

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post Jan 23 2010, 11:56 PM

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if this weapon is really exist .. then, where & when they want to use ??
whose the victim's..
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post Jan 24 2010, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(garytong @ Jan 22 2010, 09:01 PM)
Yes, no more conspiracy theory, but conspiracy fact....
Even the ex Sec of Defense William Cohen admits to the existence of such weapons.
But of course we know these creeps are just pretending to be innocent, and laying the blame on terrorists.
We know they're the ones who could arm these terrorists and they probably possessed a much more advanced version of such eco-weapons themselves.
It's amazing this transcript is right off the Department of Defense website, a .gov designation.
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laying the blame one terrorist, which terrorist have been said to cause a earthquake? may be i have not been following the news close enough.
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post Jan 25 2010, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(bob @ Jan 23 2010, 11:56 PM)
if this weapon is really exist .. then, where & when they want to use  ??
whose the victim's..
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You will never know who/when is using it, because it is the most convenient weapon and very hard to catch the perps.

Plenty of videos about ELF tomography and HAARP videos, with miniature version of the technology shooting 100 watts.



Time to do your own youtube research, and yes, Russia and America have it.


You cannot hide those locations, they're all well documented.


Added on January 25, 2010, 12:24 amHere's another video by this Dr giving his experience how he triggered an earthquake.

There're some news crap in between, just skip until it is back to him demoing the tech he used to create the earthquake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR6O3kJTqaI


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post Jan 25 2010, 12:30 AM

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Venezualan President accuse USA of causing HAITI earthquake using HAARP.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK6ASFXhuXw


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u're reading too much into this. he mentioned alvin toffler's writings, a renowned futurist who writes fictionalized futures based on what we have now. in his novels, he wrote about eco terrorists using weapons utilizing the weather as a means to destroy enemy countries.

people have been talking about devising such weapons of mass destruction. some have researched it. but non have seriously designed anything substantial.
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post Jan 25 2010, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 25 2010, 12:36 AM)
u're reading too much into this. he mentioned alvin toffler's writings, a renowned futurist who writes fictionalized futures based on what we have now. in his novels, he wrote about eco terrorists using weapons utilizing the weather as a means to destroy enemy countries.

people have been talking about devising such weapons of mass destruction. some have researched it. but non have seriously designed anything substantial.
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Dude, read the last paragraph.


"So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."


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post Jan 25 2010, 01:32 AM

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Coincidence?

http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/scmag/disp-scmag.cgi


Key in values

20100110

20100111

20100112




Those are the dates of the Haiti earthquakes.



I recommend you observe this chart daily, anytime you see the activity shooting through the roof, pay attention to any incoming earthquake reports.


Added on January 25, 2010, 1:34 amKey in values

20080510

20080511

20080512

20080513



This is the date of the China 2008 sichuan earthquakes.


Coincidence?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake


Added on January 25, 2010, 1:53 am20041222
20041223
20041224
20041225


These dates lead to the 2004 Indonesian earthquake


Eureka Earthquake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Eureka_earthquake

20100110
20100111
20100112


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIq9jL_VeXU


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QUOTE(garytong @ Jan 24 2010, 04:38 PM)
Dude, read the last paragraph.
"So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."
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u're reaching. he's saying that there ARE people who're trying to find ways.

he didnt say people have FOUND ways.

big difference. which is why the whole conspiracy theory thing exists. i've been there in the 90s when x-file were popular. i know. i was a big fan of conspiracy theories wink.gif. and then i met science.
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post Jan 25 2010, 07:05 AM

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I for one, won't believe there is such a weapon yet.

To cause artificial earthquakes, gigantic amounts of energy are required to disturb the earth's crust, most plausible way today's technology to do it is to drill holes deep into the crust and explode nukes inside.
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QUOTE(Chobits @ Jan 25 2010, 07:05 AM)
I for one, won't believe there is such a weapon yet.

To cause artificial earthquakes, gigantic amounts of energy are required to disturb the earth's crust, most plausible way today's technology to do it is to drill holes deep into the crust and explode nukes inside.
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Chobits,

If the goal is more modest like triggering a Tsunami, you just need find an undersea volcano or where the earth crust is thin and drop a nuclear bomb.

FYI. Right before the Tsunami hit Malaysia, someone release a best seller book describing environmental terrorist dropping a bomb in some undersea volcano and send tsunami to California.

http://www.amazon.com/State-Fear-Michael-C...ntt_at_ep_dpt_2

The name of the book was State of Fear by Michael Crichton,

Dreamer

P.S.: The PROBLEM with this kind of attack is there are ONLY a few people on earth that are capable of doing anything close to this kind of stuff. Hence, you will get caught.

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test run were conducted at kuwait killing 200 k ppl at least. In return united states donated 100 million for humanitarian support.


Added on January 25, 2010, 10:35 am
QUOTE(Chobits @ Jan 25 2010, 08:05 AM)
I for one, won't believe there is such a weapon yet.

To cause artificial earthquakes, gigantic amounts of energy are required to disturb the earth's crust, most plausible way today's technology to do it is to drill holes deep into the crust and explode nukes inside.
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the mechanism used, from my understanding its not thru satelite system but by using a controlled system to resonate certain area they wish to target. Its not as easy as click the place they want to create earthquake and they can cause the earthquake.


They system must be installed at the place they want to create the earthquake.


Oh yeah, i thought the program was to counter tsunami cos the area of effect of the earthquake and magnitude cant be controlled.





also this thing is to reduce the earthquake effect . just say the natural earthquake create a sin wave so they create the almost the same magnitude earthquake on the opposite direction to reduce the or counter the effect.

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QUOTE(garytong @ Jan 25 2010, 12:22 AM)
You will never know who/when is using it, because it is the most convenient weapon and very hard to catch the perps.

Plenty of videos about ELF tomography and HAARP videos, with miniature version of the technology shooting 100 watts.
Time to do your own youtube research, and yes, Russia and America have it.
You cannot hide those locations, they're all well documented.


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you just said it is very have to catch the perps then you said cannot hide the locations rclxub.gif


Added on January 25, 2010, 10:45 amTop 5 Ways to Cause a Man-Made Earthquake

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Top 5 Ways to Cause a Man-Made Earthquake
By Alexis Madrigal  June 4, 2008  |  1:37 pm  |  Categories: Earth Science


In the first Superman movie, supervillain Lex Luthor plans to trigger a massive, California-detaching earthquake by detonating a couple of nuclear weapons in the San Andreas Fault.

Crazy Lex! That scheme never would have worked, geologists will tell you. But, if he’d been serious about creating an earthquake, there are ways he could have actually done it. He would just have to inject some liquid (as some carbon-sequestration schemes propose) deep into the Earth’s crust, or bore a few hundred thousand tons of coal out of a mountain.

"In the past, people never thought that human activity could have such a big impact, but it can," said Christian Klose, a geohazards researcher at Columbia’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory.

It turns out, actually, that the human production of earthquakes is hardly supervillain-worthy. It’s downright commonplace: Klose estimates that 25 percent of Britain’s recorded seismic events were caused by people.

Most of these human-caused quakes are tiny, registering less than four on geologist’s seismic scales. These window-rattlers don’t occur along natural faults, and wouldn’t have happened without human activity — like mining tons of coal or potash. They occur when a mine’s roof collapses, for example, as in the Crandall Canyon collapse in Utah that killed a half-dozen miners last year.

But some human actions can trigger much larger quakes along natural fault lines. That’s because humans, with the aid of our massive machines, can sling enough mass around to shift the pattern of stresses in the
Earth’s crust. Faults that might not have caused an earthquake for a million years can suddenly be pushed to failure, as Klose argues occurred during Australia’s only fatal earthquake in 1989.

After the jump, we present the top five ways to create an earthquake. With all due respect to Lex, and supervillains like him, you won’t find nuclear explosions on the list. It turns out that if you want to make an anthroquake, shifting mass is far more effective than delivering a momentary blast.




1. Build a Dam: Water is heavier than air, so when the valley behind a dam is filled, the crust underneath the water experiences a massive change in stress load. For example, the Hoover Dam area experienced hundreds of quakes as Lake Mead filled. University of Alaska seismologist Larry Gedney explained, "Since [the dam] reached its peak of 475 feet in 1939, the level of seismicity has fluctuated in direct response to water level. None of the shocks has been particularly damaging — the largest was about magnitude 5 — but the area had no record of being seismically active." Other examples of dam-caused quakes abound and Klose’s research indicates that about one-third of human-caused earthquakes came from reservoir construction. This science has raised fears that the recent earthquake in China was caused by the filling of the Three Gorges Dam reservoir, although no conclusive evidence has been presented.



Inject Liquid Into the Ground: In 1961, the Army decided that the best way to dispose of toxic waste from napalm production (among other things) was to drill a 12,000-foot-deep well in the Rocky Mountains and inject the bad stuff down it into the crust of the Earth. From 1962 to 1966, the Army deposited 165 million gallons of toxic waste into this hole in the Earth. Unfortunately, the injections probably triggered earthquakes in the region, and the Army shut the operation down. As seismologist Dave Wolny explained, "If you are doing deep well injection, you are altering the stress on the underlying rocks and at some point, the stress will be relieved by generating an earthquake."

Columbia’s Klose fears that carbon dioxide sequestration, in which compressed CO2 captured from coal plants would be injected into underground deposits, could generate earthquakes too, and worse they’ll be near heavily populated regions. "Unfortunately, coal-fired power plants are closer to cities," said Klose.



Mine a Lot of Coal: Coal provides more than half the electricity in the United States and an even greater percentage in China. That means there are a lot of coal mines working overtime to pull the fossilized fuel out of the Earth. In total, miners pulled 6,195 million metric tons of coal out of the Earth in 2006 alone. And coal mines often have to pump water out along with the coal, sometimes extracting dozens of times as much water as coal. Add it up and you have a huge change in the mass of a region, and huge mass changes refigure the earthquake stresses of an area, sometimes increasing the chance of an earthquake and other times lowering it. Klose’s work suggests that more than 50 percent of the human-triggered earthquakes recorded came from mining operations.



Drill a Gusher Dry: Three of the largest human-caused quakes occurred near a natural-gas field in Uzbekistan, the Gazli. The combination of liquid extraction and injection changed the tectonic action in the field. The biggest of the trio registered as a 7.3. According to a major analysis (.pdf) by Russian scientists, "Few will deny that there is a relationship between hydrocarbon recovery and seismic activity, but exactly how strong a relationship exists has yet to be determined." They caution that in regions where tectonic activity is already high, extracting oil and natural gas could trigger strong quakes.



Create the World’s Biggest Building: Back in 2005, a geologist claimed that the world’s then-tallest building, the Taipei 101, which weighs in at more than 700,000 metric tons, was triggering earthquakes in a long-dormant fault in Taiwan. Klose doubts that the building actually did so, but said that it wasn’t outside the realm of possibility for a building to create an earthquake. The weight of the building, however, would have to be much greater than the Taipei 101’s, and even much larger than the Burj Dubai, currently still under construction but already the world’s tallest building.

Perhaps, then, this leaves some space for a supervillain to secretly construct the world’s heaviest structure in the wilds of San Bernardino, slowly but surely adding strain to California’s jumpy fault system in what Geoff Manaugh of the architectural speculation site, Bldgblog, calls "tectonic warfare."

But, thankfully, probably not.



Read More http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/.../#ixzz0daXJ6sun


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lots of conspiracy theories ...
last time after tsunami .... people talk about the thermoNuclear weapon.

but actually, nowadays human bring more harms to earth.
nuclear testing & aggresive development had already destroyed the earth stucture.
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post Jan 25 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jan 25 2010, 10:40 AM)
you just said it is very have to catch the perps then you said cannot hide the locations  rclxub.gif


Added on January 25, 2010, 10:45 amTop 5 Ways to Cause a Man-Made Earthquake
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If you watched the video, they've revealed those locations. Those farms cannot be hidden because they're massive.


But you cannot pinpoint who's actually using it, because the evidence are difficult to obtain. It is more convenient that nuclear weapons because it leaves very little to no traces, especially when many people do not believe man are capable of playing god, but yet they believe man are capable of blowing up huge vast of land with nukes.


Before you start playing with words just to pick arguments senselessly, please actually read first.


The best we can do is correlate the dates of major earthquakes to the HAARP activity using their induction magnetometer's activation/graphs.


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The best we can do is correlate the dates of major earthquakes to the HAARP activity using their induction magnetometer's activation/graphs.
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ah, the HAARP research, i though the preferred consipracy theory on this one is mind control and burning up the ionospheres? or as the russion prefer to believe it is a weapon to capsize the planet?

so pretty it is all of these

An ionospheric heater
A research tool
A military test bed
A tax-subsidized boondoggle
A directed-energy weapon
A communication system for submarines
A source of field-aligned ionospheric VHF reflectors
A way to improve satellite links
A planetary x-ray machine
A plot to depopulate the Third World
A means of creating power blackouts at will
Electronic warfare
Tesla's wireless power transmission
Tesla's secret death ray
Searching for space aliens
Killing space aliens
Killing off the militias
Keeping them awake at night (through RF head rectification)
Enforcing the New World Order
Creating nuclear-scale explosions Weather modification
CIA mind control
Brain wave modification
The end of HF radio
The end of wildlife in Alaska
The end of atmospheric ozone
The end of the human race
The end of Earth itself


this is the research of HAARP

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The idea is to beam radio signals into the ionosphere and thereby stimulate or heat small, well-defined volumes of ionosphere. Back on the ground, an array of geophysical research instruments—such as low-frequency receivers, magnetometers, an ultrahigh-frequency (UHF)
diagnostic radar, optical, and infrared spectrometers and cameras—try to see what happens to the ionosphere as a result of these signals.

Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/10/pi...t#ixzz0datKKuLa


do you have any proof that it signal can cause earthquake?


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The induction magnetometer detects temporal variation of the geomagnetic field based on Faraday's law of magnetic induction. This instrument, which was provided by the University of Tokyo, is composed of three individual sensors.  Each sensor is comprised of a large number of turns of fine copper wire wound around a rod with high magnetic permeability. (See a photograph of the sensor and its construction.) The sensitivity of each sensor is determined by the effective area of the detection coil, that is, the cross sectional area of each winding, and the number of turns, and by magnetic flux density threading the coil. The magnetic flux density is enhanced by a factor of approximately 1,000 by the high-permeability metal core.
The induction magnetometer installed at the HAARP site is designed to detect a signal level of a few picoTesla (pT) at 1 Hz. The over all frequency response of the magnetometer is shaped by Faraday's law at frequencies below 1 Hz and by active filters at frequencies above 1 Hz. Below 1 Hz the coil response is proportional to the time derivative of the magnetic field and thereby gives a response proportional to the frequency. Above 1 Hz, signals are suppressed by a low-pass filter with a corner frequency at 2.5 Hz. The filter response diminishes by 24 dB per octave above the corner frequency and thereby eliminates interference from 60 Hz radiation. The magnetometer sensors are aligned along the magnetic north, magnetic east and vertical directions to form an orthogonal measure of the derivative of the field. The sensor outputs are amplified by 40,000 and sampled at a 10 Hz rate with 16-bit resolution in a full scale of 10 Volts.


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