With the current 3D buzz going on, will it affect those with HDMI 1.3a? Do we need new HDMI version to fully support 3D?

I believe it needs v 1.4

See: http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/index.aspx

Yes, HDMI ver 1.4 to support the extra large bandwidth. New blu-ray player, and new display panels too. Current FHD plasma tv and LCD TV will not be able to do the 3D job convincingly.

For real? darn.. What will the price be? I mean, LCD TV that supports 3D.. Will the PS3 be able to use HDMI v1.4?

This is really bad news. I just bought my TV and now it is out of date. Maybe I should postpone on any further upgrade until V1.4 is out.

I am thinking of getting the emotiva UMC-1 video processor and it only have hdmi v1.3a. I can imagine those people with AVR that supports HDMI v1.3 only but are stuck with upgrade again.

This HDMI thing is bullshit ...really bullshit. Why can't it be done right the first time.

There is why 1st class company is most profitable cause their set standard for industries so every time their set standard their can make huge profit.

2nd class company is selling patents to others for profit but their need to follows 1st class company's standard otherwise holding useless patent also no point.

The 3rd and lowest class company do the manufacturing. Their paid 1st and 2nd classes of companies in order to use the patent.

This post has been edited by low98944: Jan 22 2010, 09:06 PM

i think in next 18 months, there'll be HDMI v1.5

There should be only one HDMI which all can be upgrade via firmware.

That is same as computer always most advance through the update without changing any hardware. Is that possible?

This post has been edited by low98944: Jan 22 2010, 09:49 PM

maybe he dont understand what called hardware limitation

fuyoh. direct tembak..

please la.. if people understand then wont post like this lo..

then need sifu like you to educate us lo
that what the forum for right?

can use HDMI 1.3 if display 3D at half resolution.

if you want FULLHD 3D ,then need 1.4

Hardware limitation? Then how come Sony claim that they can upgrade the PS3 to support 3D via firmware update. So you think you know everything?

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Added on January 22, 2010, 10:30 pmSo you think u know everything...then please explain why PS3 have been upgrading their HDMI via firmware port since they release it 3 years ago?

Hardware limitation my ASSS ar.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jan 22 2010, 10:31 PM

obviously you don't understand what I wrote.. I was telling him not every one understands everything.. (not saying I know everything) u blur or what ar?

then all of us can stop upgrading / buying HT equipment for the time being.

dun simply make up stories la.. it's always been HDMI 1.3 capable since the 1st gen PS3... where got upgraded via firmware?? tok kok!

PS3 HDMI chip
The following chart describes what features were included in each HDMI protocol revision. Each newer revision is required to support all "mandatory" features of previous versions. DVD Audio, introduced as an "optional" feature of HDMI 1.1, is not supported in the PS3. Sony elected to support the "optional" feature of Super Audio CD introduced in HDMI 1.2 (but only on some early PS3 models). Some optional HDMI 1.3 features, like Deep Color and xvYCC, are included in the PS3, while bitstream transmission of Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio were left out.

The early first generation Fat PS3 uses the Silicon Image Vastlane SiI9132CBU, which implements HDMI 1.3a mandatory protocols and the optional deep color and xvYCC features. The SiI9132 did not implement the optional bitstream transmission of Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio, which is why for these two audio modes, the PS3 must do the transcoding itself and output LPCM (which even basic HDMI 1.0 protocol can handle). The paired receiving end chip with same feature set should be a SiI9133. The first Silicon Image chip that supported bitstream Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio is the SiI9134 (with receiving end of SiI9135). In later models of the Fat PS3 (CECHL), Panasonic manufactures the HDMI 1.3a protocol chip (Panasonic MN864709), but it contains the same bitstream limitations.

The Slim PS3 has an upgraded HDMI 1.3c protocol chip (Panasonic MN8647091), and this time bitstream of Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD MA is finally implemented, so you can use your Audio Video Receiver to decode the audio signal. In addition, HDMI CEC (Bravia Sync) is now fully supported.

Note that although HDMI CEC wiring is mandatory via HDMI 1.0 (a pin on the port is dedicated to CEC), actual implementation support for the CEC specification protocol (introduced in HDMI 1.2a) is optional. That is why the PS3 Fat did not have a CEC Controller chip attached to that pin, so all HDMI-CEC commands are ignored. The PS3 Slim does have a CEC Controller implemented inside the Panasonic HDMI chip, so it does support HDMI-CEC (Bravia Sync).

at last the fact arrive

can buy but stop discussion

better is dun know so many future technology and buy the latest gadget

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Added on January 23, 2010, 12:11 ambtw, i suppose this 1.4 should set a new foundation for HDMI since it support future resolution (4K) and HDMI Ethernet.

This post has been edited by Intrigue: Jan 23 2010, 12:11 AM

So with V4 on the horizon, i better wait till its out before I jump.

yea. same for me since i'm just about to start from scratch, might as well just wait and in the meanwhile increase my budget. hahaha

Hardware limitation is the general explanation. The exception would be if a manufacturer decides to put in more advanced hardware to cater for some future upgradability (via firmware updates) but this is rare because it means higher cost and also it's hard to predict where the future direction will go and if your current hardware can support it or not.

Yes, Sony has claimed PS3 can be upgraded to 3D via firmware, but will it be a 100% upgrade? See this blog: http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/hdmi/

if hdmi 1.4 required for full hd 3d. I dun see how ps3 get full 3d rez via firmware but still is only v1.3 for hardware. Other parts in the signal chain like tv with v1.4 will also drop to 1.3 also.

+1

Yes, you are right on that. There will surely be a newer PS3 3D (maybe PS4) in the market by then. Sony is already bleeding, so it needs to have new products to bring it back to the 'blue'

limpe going to wait for the new 3D display panels. Sldnt be that expensive over current 'obsolete' FHD display panels, I reckon.

Will on hold my LX71 BDP purchase for now.

display port v1.2 also coming out. With bidirection data and 4 full hd capable bandwidth. Siao.

with all the 3D hype going on.. i supposed a lot would-be upgraders/ buyers is holding off to see what will be introduce to the market

No need to be early adopter of 3D. Yes the equipment (TV, player) is coming out but what about the movies? If very few movies are released in 3D then it defeats the purpose.

Just like Deep Colour support (which is already supported by HDMI 1.3) but no movies use it. So what's the point?

Back to the same problem as computer again. Computer technologies always improve and more and more advance, did you stop buying computer and waiting the most advance computer to arrive (that will not happen in your life!)?

This post has been edited by low98944: Jan 23 2010, 02:59 PM

To simplify things , your current High End TV will be a medium-end TV by next year. Same applies to computers as well

the point is that they will have BDs with this technology by this year (as specs just finalized).. compared to deepcolor which is more of a PC thing.. than a BD thing..

Not to say early adopter but this 3D will be the next big bang and since many manufacturer is coming out 3D this year. So might as well hold off any upgrades.

I know BDs will come out with 3D but how many titles? I certainly hope lots of titles come out with 3D to make the investment worthwhile.

I noted lot of directors using Panasonic's camera to film their movie. So, sure their will want to upgrade to this model for their current or future movies:

Avatar? Toy Story 3? and and many more. I better wait and see what happen.

One thing is for sure, we will never have a technology that stayed relevant for so long like CRT anymore. Display sales were so slow for almost 10-15yrs. All this because they made the darned CRT so difficult to break and replace....

Same in the "software" portion, DVD was the king for quite a while after VHS. Now in a few years, even before BD gets a stranglehold there is already talk about other resolutions.

Manufacturers realise that they need to keep pumping the market with "new" stuff so people continue to spend. 3D is the current trend. They will never ever make a tech that sits still for more than 2-3yrs. Take the handphone for example.

Going forward there will 2K resolution, then 4K, then who knows what.

U cannot chase technology anymore. There will be always a better product that is only 6 months from launching.

If u can wait, then by all means wait. But if u wanna wait until the dust settles before committing, I would suggest otherwise. 3D will become much cheaper in 2011. 2010 is more or less the introduction. Sammy is embracing it, Panasonic is only releasing it on their highest end displays. Sony is pushing but no clear indication on the sets that will support.

The studios however are slightly lagging, they will wait and see if the tech really takes off before committing. Its a lot of money to re-equip themselves with the cameras and god knows what mastering techniques are involved.

Interesting to be witnessing the era of display tech boom.

You have a good point that tech always evolve and at a faster pace than ever.

Actually I'm not looking at the display part but rather than the AV part. Most AVR can last a long time like 10 years or longer. If I buy a AVR now that is only have 1.3HDMI, then I am stuck with it not compatible with 3D. Eventhough the amp is still fully capable of pumping put the best audio for me, I would have to upgrade just to get HDMI v1.4 only.....that sucks!!!

I can understand a new tech will be out like every other month, but if you know its just around the corner, then I would rather wait. Just like buying a car where you know a newer model is coming in the next 2 month, I'm sure you will hold on till then to buy.

Yeah, I'm also not in a hurry. Will wait until the dust settles a bit to see what happens next.

Yup, for those that haven't upgraded their gear, like avr or tv with 1.3 can still wait and see; but for me just upgraded most of my gear in 2009 can't do nothing but wait and hope that my gear can handle 3D tech if possible else have to hoop on the upgrade train when time is mature and hope that less damage will that be...

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This post has been edited by low98944: Jan 24 2010, 01:14 PM

I got this from cnet about the new Panasonic Bluray player. One piece of news for existing HDMI V1.3 AV Receiver user that don't look that good...

The Panasonic DMP-BDT350 is the only player with dual HDMI outputs
That's important because 3D Blu-ray players will use the new HDMI 1.4 standard, and existing A/V receivers support only HDMI 1.3. That means you won't be able to easily connect a new 3D Blu-ray player to an existing A/V receiver. With the DMP-BDT350, you can send the high-bandwidth 3D video directly to the display and the audio directly to the A/V receiver. It seems like the best option if you don't plan on buying a new HDMI 1.4 receiver.

Cnet asia link

AV receiver that doesn't have 1.4 is the least of worries.. if you don't have a HDMI 1.4V TV you won't see FULLHD 3d also.. you need the dual link HDMI bandwidth..

I think what the article is saying is that if the AVR don't have 1.4, then when a 1.4 version is connected to it, the AVR will only accept it as V1.3 and then only send it to the TV as V1.3. Then even if you have a 3D tv with HDMI 1.4, you will not be able to use its 3D function. But if you connect your 3D bluray movies to your Tv directly via HDMI V1.4, then you might not be able to get master audio anymore as you only have 1 HDMI output on the current bluray player. See the problem?

There are few to name at the moment, The Final Destination 3D, Polar Express Presented in 3D, My Bloody Valentine 2D & 3D, Monster vs Alien 3D (some extra goodies part).. etc..

There are many more now has been developed on 3D and this are must buy!!

I bet the new crop of BDP (HDMI v1.4) will have 2 HDMI outputs. This would be good as we can route one to the new 3D FHD display panel and the other to our existing avr since it is always backward compatible. For those early adopters, IMHO not much of an issue.

can use la.. but not FULLHD 3D..

Are those titles the traditional 3D (i.e. using the red/green glasses)?

Yes, trad 3D which has severe colour offset. The new gen 3D would be a 'quantum leap' as being promised by these giants. Hopefully, it does deliver

wat do they mean by quantum leap? no need for 3D glasses?

different technology la.. those are red+green glasses..

the new 2010 3D ones are using active shutter glass..

Is it available , and im taking a wild guess that its gonna cost a fortune prolly..

yeah.. cost a fortune if you want to watch it in FULLHD 3D, AVR , TV, Bluray all have to upgrade to v1.4

It would be easy to update instead of upgrading systems right? but is there a way to do so? for eg upgrading to v 1.4 ( not like some software update which makes life easier to do rather hardware itself needs pumping with new firmware or somethin')..

What sort upgrade you meant ..?

upgrade means BUY new equipment.

how are you going to update firmware of the old HDMI chip on the board to 1.4V? that's like saying Pentium III can be flashed to become Pentium 4..

Exactly, thats what i had in my mind..so thats alright, i got the idea.. so its the equipment based..well thats a fortune to crack..

like ar188 mention, the new 3D employs 'new' tech. Current 3D BD is crappy. The new 3D would be similar to those that we get to watch in amusement park and cinema. The colour will be retain unlike current green and red glasses that screw up the color

I get headache using those red/green things..

The one note, is that the luminance will drop when viewing thru the glasses. Meaning the brightness of the image. Thats why I believe to truly enjoy 3D, u need either go the projector route or have a big display.

I think Panasonic's implementation might be correct for now. Will wait and see how they implement in projectors. IMHO, get a proper >100in screen. A proper room ready (full ambient lighting control) and wait for the 3D ride.

got 3D calibration tools or not?

I have my room ready. Color is matt black Screen is still 92". Maybe will upgrade to 106". Then, shall wait and see how does it fare when it is launched (while checking my pocket )

The current 3D Bluray is much improvised, anyone has seen The Final Destination in 3D yet?

Bad flick , good disc, 3D not so impressive ..seen it only 15 mins or so..got bored..