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 Public Mutual v2, PB/Public series

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kinwing
post Dec 3 2010, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 3 2010, 10:35 AM)
If you do the same calculation with a NAV of RM 25, it will be the same figure, as long as the percentage is the same.  rolleyes.gif The NAV makes no difference. The chance to climb higher is NOT affected by the dividend payment, it is based on the market. Basically dividen in UT is NOT an earning, it is merely a distribution. You are merely taking money from your left pocket and put in your right your other pocket, does that makes you feel richer?  wink.gif

Lets say your calculation above, You have invested RM 1000. If RM 0.02 dividend was paid (and reinvested & assume no tax) as you mentioned above, your total earning is now 4286 * 0.28 = RM 1,200 (20% earnings), and if dividend is not given then 4000 units*0.3 = RM 1,200 (20% earnings), can you tell me what is the difference? Is it because you have more units with cheaper value, you can feel better?  doh.gif

Again if the UT earnings rise by 10%, the UT price (after dividend) earning will be 0.28*110%= 0.308*4286 = RM 1320, if the UT did not distribute dividend then the UT price will be  0.3*110% = 0.33*4000 = RM 1320. Again no difference.  whistling.gif

Don't be fooled by the agent's sweet talk.  laugh.gif Also if you noticed, dividend is taxable, hence you LOSE money. If no dividend is given you are not taxed.
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Basically we can say it's moving the money from your left pocket to your right pocket. Don't judge a Unit Trust is worth to buy or not base on absolute figure like NAV. IMHO, some Unit Trusts with NAV of RM100 for each unit could be very cheap, whereby certain Unit Trusts which NAV only worth of RM0.01 each unit could be very expensive! These apply when we are buying a company share as well.

If the one think total value of RM100 cash on hand + RM900 in Unit Trust is greater than the total value of RM1,000 in Unit Trust, then what can I say sweat.gif .

Warren Buffet had once said "...It's like an inoculation. If it doesn't grab a person right away, I find that you can talk to him for years and show him records, and it doesn't make any difference. They just don't seem able to grasp the concept, simple as it is."

This post has been edited by kinwing: Dec 3 2010, 11:08 AM
kinwing
post Apr 16 2011, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(l3g3nd1314 @ Apr 15 2011, 11:42 AM)
Just sign up with an agent, and minimum investment is RM1,000.

Based on past performance, the CAGR (Compounded Annual Growth Rate) for most local equities are above 5%.
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CAGR of 5%++ is way low which could only on par or even worse than EPF return!? For equities, you should aim for more than 8% to 9% to beat the benchmark KLCI index, otherwise you are getting low risk adjusted return which means it not worth the risk taking to get such a low return.
kinwing
post Apr 17 2011, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(l3g3nd1314 @ Apr 17 2011, 01:11 AM)
5% is a safe rate of quoting CAGR, but top performing funds in Public Mutual are around the range of 10~15% CAGR  wink.gif
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Do not turn away to just mention about the top performing funds in Public Mutual by covering the fact that it does consist of inferior funds. Since Public Mutual has alot of funds, it could have few well performed funds, but after adding all those average or underpeformed funds, it could just achieve as what you mentioned a 5% CAGR only (in Global Investment Performance Standard, we called it as a composite return).

Please be more objective when talking about the fund returns of a fund management company instead of doing marketing pitch by highlighting only the top performance funds.

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post Apr 18 2011, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(l3g3nd1314 @ Apr 18 2011, 12:50 AM)
There are indeed underperforming funds, but most of them are newly launched funds which are not able to perform now, but that doesn't strike out the possibility of them performing in the near future. A good example for this scenario is Public SmallCap Fund.

And by the way, the first thing investors usually ask will be which are the performing funds, and as an unit trust consultant, my job is to highlight those top performing funds to them.
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With due respect, your are salesman to highlight top performing funds only and not entitle to be called as 'consultant'. As a qualified consultant, you should guide the investors to evaluate their risk tolerance against the funds’ return. By only highlighting the top performance funds, then what’s the point to have other average or non-performing funds? Public Mutual should then close all other average or non-performing funds and leave the only most performing fund for the investors to choose.

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post May 21 2011, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ May 21 2011, 10:03 PM)
i prefer unit split rather than the dividend income, due to the tax implication.

It will be a double tax situation, when the individual stocks declared income distribution its already tax once b4 paying out to mutual fund, and then when mutual fund declared dividend to their investors, there will be another round of tax....

I dont understand why must mutual fund in Msia like to declare dividend, some other foreign mutual fund like Franklin Templeton, Fidelity never declare dividend even their company is registered in tax heaven country. that is why a mutual fund initial offeringf price of USD10/unit could grow to as good as USD50 over time. So when investor encash their investment, can have 100% capital gain, without paying tax twice.
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It's because there are a lot of naive mutual fund investors in Malaysia market. They cannot understand that is dividend irrelevant theory , which means dividend distribution come to the cost of downward adjusting the NAV. So they don't appreciate the advice to do 'home-made dividend' instead by redeeming part of the units. So later these investors will put back the dividend into the fund again and being charged 5.5% again, how stupid is this?
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post May 21 2011, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(kucingfight @ May 21 2011, 08:32 PM)
1.yes, it depends, sometimes when the fund manager sees some opportunity in market, he may decide to increase the fund limit. and off course not overincreased it as it may dilute earnings
2.i think what he meant was(just what i think), if the fundamental investment of a unit trust fund is good & strong, u may just enter @ any time by means of applying DCA or other methods. As, a good fundamental fund will recover overtime when it drops. And, it's hard to time the entry into market, so in the long run, u wil gain regardless when the NAV purchased @ high/low time, off course u would have "gain" even more when the NAV drops
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It depends on what kind of fund you are going to invest. If the fund is value investing type, then you might not be able to enjoy good return during bull market, instead you should buy the fund during end-bear or early-bull market. Knowing the fund type and style of your fund manager give you advantage to decide when to buy and sell.

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