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elvenchou1987
post Jul 14 2010, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 4 2010, 11:51 PM)


1. General Stock Market & World Economy performance - I will not buy at peak, I buy at the bottom, DCA is rubbish.1. Performance vs. benchmark 5 years minimum - I will not buy any fund which does not have min 5 years performance
2. Audited annual accounts - income, expenses, turnover, fund size, fund manager & policies
3. Fact Sheet - Monthly - Latest 6 months - Holding, percentage, regional risks, interest, equity vs. fixed income risks
4. Standard & Poors, Morningstar reviews - performance vs peers - I tend to buy funds which have dropped the least compared to peers during bad periods ie. 1997, 2001, 2008. Any fund will make money in a bull period, it takes skill to survive in bear.
5. Asset Allocation - You must have a proper asset allocation to diversify your risks.
Dear Gark,

Could you share your insight with us why you would say that DCA is rubbish? My agent recommended me to invest by DCA.

Thanks
elvenchou1987
post Jul 14 2010, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 14 2010, 09:08 PM)
Well, for me DCA is not worth it, but I will let you decide with the pro and cons ...

Pros
1. Continuous investment regardless of market sentiment - no emotions
2. Lets you average out your investments, so you will get at least get equivalent to fund performance
3. Automated process (if you can consider this one a pro...)

Cons
1. Your agent will get monthly commissions (like steady salary to him  brows.gif )
2. Tend to have average or below average performance over investment lifetime after minus the fees
3. Not able to take opportunity when the market is having a massive discount
4. Not able to cash out when the market is way over priced
5. Not able to re-align your asset allocation mix to market sentiments
6. Blindly invest in a fund, no matter how the fund perform, once you DCA, you tend not to monitor it anymore. So if the fund performs poorly, you will not realize it until very late. 80% of the funds perform below benchmarks over the long term.  whistling.gif

Well you decide then.  laugh.gif
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Thanks for your reply.

First and foremost, I have registered as a new UTC. Therefore, commisions will go under me. This DCA is recommended by my upline. He has showed me his clients progress using this DCA and they have fairly gain some +ve returns over a minimun of 5 years. Therefore, I was quite intrigued by it.

Let me also tell you my situation. I'm 23 this year and very new in investment. If I would invest, this would be my first ever lifetime investment. Therefore, I don't have the knowledge as you all do in homeworks and research. Furthermore, I'm still a student and don't have a passive income. Thus I won't invest much as well. I would love to take this platform to build more confidence in myself and gain more knowledge. Thus is this DCA suitable for me?
elvenchou1987
post Jul 19 2010, 11:37 AM

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I feel that each and everyone of you have their own method and perception in DCA and investing. But for me as a newbie, I will try out DCA as my 1st asset in my life.
elvenchou1987
post Jul 19 2010, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 19 2010, 11:50 AM)
Don't merely look at some performance presented to you. Look across and assess more.
There are hundred of fund out there, anyone can pick a few the best to show you, but those poor one being set aside.
Which is a norm practice across, (not only UT but almost all investment field)

If you have no income and no passive income (I presumed as mentioned as student), DCA is furthermore not suitable.

In fact, you don't need to rush into it, can monitor how well the market or UT performance against market benchmark, or doing some simulation work, as for own assessment and research.
Money is yours, don't rely other words, and others presented data as guideline for investment. Understand your own is the most important factor to start with.
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Thanks for you reply.

Currently I'm trying hard on researching on myself and trying to understand the quarterly fund review on my own. I'm not limiting myself to particular funds shown by my upline only but also opening my eyes on others as well.

About the DCA, I'm investing in a really small scale. To be preciese, the minimum amount as a start. My main aim is to gain experience myself. I want to put it a habit for myself to invest for my future monthly with my allowance. This is to train myself in the investing field from young before I graduate and venture into working life.
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post Jul 19 2010, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 19 2010, 12:31 PM)
1. When you review funds, the best funds are those who falls the least during bad times and have a ever widening premium over benchmark, during good times any "capalang" funds also can make money. So the period when you are reviewing is very crucial. If you take 2009-2010 for your review, almost any rubbish fund also have good gains.  tongue.gif Anyway don't look at quarterly results, look for at least 5 years worth of data and their holdings, turnover and fees.

2. If you want to learn investing, DCA is the worst place for you to start because then you will not learn anything at all. The best way to learn is to put your money at risk when you think it is a good time to invest and take it out when you think it is bad. DCA and averaging it out, you will not get any value out of it, because DCA is designed for those who could not care less about the market gyrations and valuation.

P/S if you are reviewing PM quaterly results, please beware those are bid-to-bid graphs, they have not minus out the fees yet.  laugh.gif

PP/S what are the funds recommended by your upline?  sweat.gif
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Thanks again for your professional advice. smile.gif

1. Thanks for informing me bout the quarterly fund review mistake that i've made. Just a noob question, if the fund has been performing over the benchmark, meaning its performing well in those years?

2. I'm planning to start small. 1k to be exact which is the minimun value. (I'm still a student biggrin.gif ). My upline has showed me most of his clients' statement on their invest using DCA. So far most of them are raking good returns. He told me it is a way to invest for my retirement plan later on and a wise choice especially if i start young. I do still believe this DCA suits me for now.

I understand that there is 5.5% service charge on every top ups for DCA. I'm well aware of that. Thanks for notifying again.

He did recommend me PRSF. But I'm looking at others as well.



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