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post Jun 23 2011, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 23 2011, 04:04 PM)

Added on June 23, 2011, 4:25 pmThks your info-Bonescythe.

Objective-
Iam 29 Year old, planning to saving for my children education for 10-15 years or for my retrenchment.

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Before you start up your investment plan, you must know what is your eventual target & time frame. How much would you need, 200k? 500k? 1 mil? 2mil? Then maybe we can work it out from there. laugh.gif
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post Jun 24 2011, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 24 2011, 12:33 PM)
Actually.. I just joined Mutual Fund only..

Any sifu can teach me how to do Mutual Fund? smile.gif
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You too 'expert' play shares already. tongue.gif No need to play Mutual fund, it will be too boring for you. laugh.gif

Basically buying mutual fund is like buying shares, just instead looking at individual companies, you have to look at macroeconomics, in terms of countries, sectors & type of instrument. wink.gif Example, if you think china is going to be 'hot' then buy china based fund. If you think china going to go down, the maybe sell or switch (to safer items like bond (just think of REITs) and then buy on the dip. laugh.gif
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post Jun 28 2011, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 28 2011, 12:36 PM)
Wah.. Rupiah billionaire also not bad ah.. Wong, together la.. smile.gif
Go indo stay
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Indonesia's, cost of living (if u want the same standard) is much higher than Malaysia. No wonder everyone so poor. doh.gif Last year inflation 11.9%. laugh.gif
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post Jul 1 2011, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(mikok73 @ Jul 1 2011, 02:03 PM)
hi all,

where can i find the data base for any public/public mutual fund price since 2008?thanks
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Go to public mutual website, they have data up to 1990's. tongue.gif
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post Jul 4 2011, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jul 3 2011, 11:04 PM)
Dear all,

any answer for my q?

c) Have any limitation for fund price? because like  p ittakal lunch price RM 0.95 (1995) and end of 2010 until Feb 2011 the price range RM 0.96-0.98 after declaration /distributions devidend the price down back to RM0.92-0.890? how to maximize profit?

d) If i invest to PB using EPF  lump sump or every 3 month example PIEF start now 2011 and did't sell the unit until 15 years later without worry the price movement ? can i get profit?

p/s advice me ?
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It has been answered, you just want to ignore the previous answer as it is not definitive. So here to make it more clear to you.

1. There is NO limitation to the fund price. The price depend on the investment return and MINUS any dividends given. To maximize profit, choose dividend reinvestment option.

2. If you buy every 3 months now and sell 15 years later, you will likely to get profit, BUT how much profit is NOT guaranteed. There may be a slight chance that you may suffer temporary LOSSES as well. It depends on the Malaysia and world economy.

So there is no guaranteed answers. wink.gif If you want guaranteed returns, go invest in ASB. tongue.gif
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post Jul 27 2011, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 27 2011, 03:01 PM)
I dunno why I be agent.. Goreng shares lagi bagus..
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Can get side income to goreng shares mah. Or not you goreng with what capital? tongue.gif

Just becareful don't goreng until go to 14th floor. .... always have backup. wink.gif
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post Jul 29 2011, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 28 2011, 01:57 PM)
Good ol M'sia elek T-bills like that right? and even inflation-protected bonds/bills?

Good good 12mths FD rate. Domo arigato sensei Xuzen-sama
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For me I use the rate of 10 Yr MGS (Malaysian Govt Securities) which is currently about 3.9%. laugh.gif 20 Yr MGS ia about 4.2%.

You can get this data from your brokerage firm, under fixed Income category. wink.gif
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post Aug 3 2011, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 3 2011, 01:52 PM)
Each vehicle has its own pros & cons lor.

Use a spreadsheet and do a head to head calc
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Stocks - to & fro transaction cost is about 1%+
Mutual funds - buying is about 3.6%+  + switching $25

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Umm.. if you read in the annual report of the mutual funds you will see that, the trading/administrative costs are already charged to you. So in mutual funds, those with heavy turnover (ie. >1), you can expect to add another 2% as brokerage fees.

That is why I often select funds which have turnover not more than 2. otherwise the manager is trading and not investing for you. tongue.gif

Trading costs are not transparent, but it is better to ensure that the fund have policy of not accepting soft commissions. otherwise the trading costs will be relatively higher. laugh.gif
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post Aug 4 2011, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Aug 3 2011, 07:00 PM)
Mind if I ask if turnover = management fee? Sorry I'm a beginner sweat.gif
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Turnover is not management fees, it is rather brokerage fees. It is how much value of your stocks are being traded. Each time a stock is being traded, the brokerage will take a small cut.

Turnover = Total stocks traded / total stock holdings

QUOTE(koinibler @ Aug 3 2011, 10:15 PM)
first would like to thanks  wongmunkeong again for comparison of service charge between stock and public mutual fund.
I'm also quite confuse on gark turnover statement.
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Well that is my view only, if turnover is >2, then that means twice the amount of stocks are being traded compared to the holdings. This will incur brokerage, stamp duty and also opportunity costs.

QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 3 2011, 10:47 PM)
That's one person's own way of looking at things which may not be appropriate for other people.

The big picture is this - are you happy with the fund returns in relation to your objectives? If you are, you probably don't need those rules. If you are not, you have to decide whether those rules are meaningful/applicable in your case or not.

Trading or investing is an irrelevant measure - it's the end result that counts.
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Well luckily most of PM funds are <2, that's is why I am invested with them. Some bond funds can have turnover as low as 0.1. However there are some funds which is secretly milking brokerage costs to their related investment bank, especially those without soft commission policy. brows.gif

High turnover can affect the following:

1. High brokerage costs. You can see the total amount of brokerage cost in the annual report and which brokerage they transact with. (90% back to their own investment bank.. brows.gif )
2. Soft commission policy. Some of the soft commission charged by the brokers are more like additional (related) perks to the fund manage but charged to the fund holders. Perks includes, furniture, computers, software, magazine subscribtion, overseas travel for meeting etc etc.
3. Opportunity costs. If a fund with such large holdings trade too often they usually cannot get good prices in the market due to the volume they are trading, and they usually have to buy up. (Stock trader's should know this laugh.gif ). Also if the fund is trading in and out what happen to the conviction of their picks? doh.gif

Not all high turnover fund is bad, but those with the highest turnover usually do have a more tepid results. wink.gif

QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Aug 3 2011, 10:22 PM)
Thanks for all the blogs and feedback about UT.

I knew I am a bit behind time of invest UT, I notice some forumer start investing in the early 20s... and me (40s+)  blush.gif  just started thinking of investing UT... hope it is not too late and catch up...

Thanks again.
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It is never too late. But start up slowly but surely as you might put your capital in a risk that you cannot afford. Generally you might want to move to safer UT as you age, but... if you are wealthy and do not need the income for 5-10 years or so, by all means invest slightly more aggressive. laugh.gif

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post Aug 4 2011, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(toenexx @ Aug 4 2011, 12:29 PM)
Right I know what she did but I thought she wouldn't do that to me after all her advises to me before... and plus I was thinking of investing more through her seriously since I'm thinking of getting out my money from ASB since it's not syariah compliant, and also got EPF money as well. Thanks man I shall do that though I don't know if Public Mutual gonna treat my case - small fish only :-(
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If you have signed the re-purchase form, then there is nothing much PM can do for you. looks like the agent wants to withdraw and reinvest all the money for you so that he/she can have slice of the fee.

It is up to you if you want to reinvest back to PM or choose other funds since you already have cash in your hands. I started with PM many years ago, and now is increasingly moving to other DIY online fund distributors as I find most agents is actually more annoying (hard selling) rather than helpful (but there are few gems of agent albeit far far in between), so the extra 3.5%-4.5% sales charge difference is not worth it. whistling.gif

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post Aug 4 2011, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(toenexx @ Aug 4 2011, 02:04 PM)
Wow nice info on the DIY online fund distributors... Can point me to a thread discussing about that..?
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Umm look under fund investment corner, this is a PM thread, otherwise OT. tongue.gif
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post Aug 5 2011, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 4 2011, 10:57 PM)
You are over-complicating, and over-simplifying things at the same time.

High brokerage costs, commissions, opportunity costs are irrelevant. You don't need to know what they are. All you need to know is the NETT return to you. Who cares if the costs are high when the returns are even higher? Don't focus on the wrong things.

If a fund is trading in and out, it can show they have a high conviction in their picks. It takes real conviction to buy when oversold and sell when overpriced. It takes real conviction to do what is profitable when the opportunity presents itself. To say trading in and out implies no conviction is just over-simplifying things.
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However.. so far my UT's with the least turnover tends to have higher NETT return to me, so that is why it is one of the items I am monitoring, before I decide to invest in a future UT. rclxms.gif

Anyway if you choose to ignore the turnover data, it is your right to do so. laugh.gif

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post Aug 6 2011, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat2011 @ Aug 5 2011, 07:10 PM)
Hi kparam77, thanks for your recommendation and I'm aware of the RISK, 1/3 of EPF a/c 1 to invest sound fine to me and should invest a bit aggressive... since the balanced fund at about the same as EPF's return.

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If you ask me, EPF has been consistently performing on par with other AAA rated bond fund. In fact I use my EPF as my 'bond' portion of my holdings. So IMHO, you do need any more bond fund, just invest a suitable amount in equity funds. Also remember to diversify properly as purchasing 3-4 Malaysian equity funds is not equal to proper diversification.

The amount of bond fund you hold depends on the risk tolerance and also your age. If you feel you are not able to tolerate high risk, then perhaps putting more of your investments in 'bond' like instruments.

You need to have a proper asset allocation though out before you proceed, and if you are a passive investor, rebalance every 6 months will do greatly.

I am targeting 30% bond, 20% Malaysia, 30% Asia Pacific ex. Japan, 10% Global & 10% commodities. laugh.gif


Added on August 6, 2011, 1:01 pm
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 6 2011, 08:48 AM)
Dude, i'd rather spend my time and effort TEACHING / COACHING U how to "fish" than just be your agent. I'm not into Public Mutual as a sales agent but more of lowering costs + access to data biggrin.gif, + of course some expenses write-off for tax purposes heheh.

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You got the right stuff to be a good agent mah, you are honest in helping those in need since this is not your 'rice bowl'. You should give it a go, think of it as charity work loh, by giving them 'rebate' on thier fees. brows.gif But later don't become like other 'kam sau'. tongue.gif

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post Aug 13 2011, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 13 2011, 12:57 AM)
Bro - no point getting angry over an investment, if it's not performing, cut loss.

BTW, my friend's wife who went in into PCSF early 2008 (as in 1st quarter or so), and kept on doing TwinVest (DCA+VCA) until now - she's making profits leh. So.. er.. it's not just the fund selection which is important, it's also one's entry & exit plans  brows.gif

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You might eek out some profits from averaging down, but overall most of PM non Malaysian funds is performing below benchmark. You get better performance form other oversea based funds..... wink.gif
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post Aug 13 2011, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 13 2011, 02:26 PM)
My agent and his upline recommended to go into PAUEF and PNREF.
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And both of these, Australia and Natural resources are hand in hand dropping like a rock.... Buy if you think iron, nickle, copper, oil etc is going up in the future...

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