joey yap yes...

lilian? NEVER.... she makes buddhism and feng shui looked stupid

I do believe this... feng shui is just another way of looking at natural phenomenon... where science is another angle too....

I used to think feng shui was BS.. till I read about the four elements in Buddhism.... Earth, fire, water & wind

where earth is symbol of solid, inertia, weight, soft, hard etc

fire is heat, energy etc....

water is fluidity of things... (water, wind, blood, etc)

wind is movement of air

I-Ching is like the fundamental physics.. and feng shui is the application to it

do you know what the elements signify? they are representation and metaphor for things around us.. eg. fire for thermodynamics, water for fluid dynamics, gold for metal elements etc

I am a physic minded person as well and I do respect i ching.. but i only disrespect WOFS

feng shui? rarely....

like the circle.. there`s fundamental science in it.... say, fire is the nemesis for metal.. which mean heat can soften metal etc

and I-Ching, it is more to mathematics and physics..... about chances..... the machine language also apply this concept.. yin & yang... yin mean shade or darkness or negativity or off, while yang mean shine which is the opposite of yin...

the machine language utilize 1 and 0 same goes to yin and yang

I used to disbelieve this concept during my school time then my mind is very scientific.. I rejected all taboo etc.... but when during my uni time, I read a lot more and realise that what we know is too little... and many "academicians" or "scientist" claim the unexplainable as a lot of bullsh1t...

questions like is there extra terrestials our there? is deemed as absurd.. only stephen hawking answered... "maybe there are beings out there"

I-Ching is another way round to looks at the world around us

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Added on September 4, 2010, 9:43 pmlook at 5 aggregates of buddhism..... language & discovery were primitive back then... people didnt know what elements were back then.. they use metaphor to explain what they discover from their observations

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500 years from now... do you think what edison invented known as light bulb as primitive and useless? and say what he use in his design is useless?

yes, FYI I am from physic background and I am as skeptical as you regarding this sort of things ; I totally reject feng shui and lilian too

but on the same time, I find sense in I Ching.... you should read it.. it is about chances(propability), about chaos pattern.... it is alternative science.. just give you another glimpse of hwo to see the natural world from other angles beside science

this clashes when the west ask proof before I should believe while east ask us to come, see, understand and experience before believe

P/S during my final year of study, which is design emotions.... on how to put emotions on product... and guess what? I find my guides from buddhism... buddhism teaches us where does our desire, hate, lust came about and how it affect us... and it is analogue to what I read from a Dr or Prof books.... instead of using accurate terms, technical english, buddha use metaphor, stories and ask us to experience... which I find it both clicks....

and of course I do not put buddhism`s tipitaka on the reference part

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Added on September 12, 2010, 8:33 pmI hate it when old peoples tend to drag me into fortune telling kind of things.... one of my realtive is a fortune teller... and she/he(cant disclose laa) is a con... with sweet mouth.. she/he claim to "keep" anak hantu to help her to see the future... besides that, she/he is performing fake or useless rituals.... sad to say though she/he is my relative, is a disgrace to buddhism as the name of buddha is used as well for their act

P/S she/he earns a lot too.. up to 20 k per month.. not on fortune tellings... but performing rituals e.g. help the wife gets their husband back from other affairs, save a sinking business etc

my parents are chinamen minded and not that educated, despite hundreds of time I told them about this, they insist on visit taoist temple for blessing... though I can see the blessing from my mortal senses, but I can see that she is relief and calm.. which I see they provide a hope... at a cost of course

when people are despair and hopeless, they tend to look for other help or solutions, many rejected buddhism as it tell its followers to let go, some resort to islam/christian for afterlife sanction as comfort, or bomoh for malays, taoist priest for chinese etc

the only reason that I step into a taoist temple is that I see it as a gathering place for chinese and I do what they do as part of culture rather than belief... e.g. salam in hari raya

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Added on September 12, 2010, 8:42 pmhey, that`s how we come about... unlikely.... according to hawkings, the unlikely is like this in english rather than numbers

"a group of monkeys went on rampage, rush to a typewritter and randomly hit it, and the output is shakespear`s poem"

that is the possibility of us today... from big bangs, the number of stars died and survive, the number of organism on earth that went extinct and evolve into homo sapiens and how inventions were invented by random genius around the world on random time frame...

how 6+billion of populations on earth and I replying to you on this LYN while there are tonnes of forum out there.........







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this reminded me of singaporean movie "xia dao siao" surprise till laugh

about an along, ask his followers to call all the phone number in yellow pages in SG, give them a number each from 0000 to 9999 and ask to pay redemption of 30% back...

sure 1 out of 10,000 will win right?

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Added on September 13, 2010, 10:39 pmI went to MPH jsut now to and spend some time to browse through FengShui World... on an ads, on a gem that is craved with buddhism scriptures that is said to be able to attract wealth

the most ridiculous piece of things being sold on the mag EVER which I say was a silver plated amulet, the front is a polished surface while the back is image of buddha(not the typical one, but the tibetan one with black skin) which said to capable of
1) the polished side, to let dirty siprits see their ugly face and ward of evil if they dare to danger the bearer
2) the back which is image of buddha which touch the middle chest of the bearer is said to protect the bearer with buddhahood power...



and those who buy those are mostly ang mos, the typical rich, not religious, but high class wanabe(the chinese)

P/S the ONLY concept in feng shui that I 100% agree on is this

"wealth does not imply how much money you have, the true wealth mean that you have all the elements balanced out... money, family, career, friendship, etc... all is balanced out... not one is over the other"

Doer,

what do you think of "the power of BELIEVE"?

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the worst is onlysurfacing when I visited Taiwan.. the tour escort bring us to this jade shop as it is an obligation for tourist to visit to boost taiwan`s economy...

the "sifu" there then gave each of us a crash course on fortune telling and gave all of us 5 minute FREE fortune telling which worth RM 100 each minute as the sifu is international standard....

their true agenda came into vision when they only see catastrophic, doom, etc in our palms... and by using scare tactics, they said:
"ok.. nevermind... luckily you came here early and it is your "fook" to met me(the sifu).. Ohh... you came just in time... you need this "emerald/jade/precious stone" amulets taking the shape of chinese myth beast.... "



and many old people buy it...

I bought one, due to its aestheticity instead of the craps..for decoration.... (rather cheap one) the sifu aint that happy as he wanted me to buy the exp one

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Added on September 14, 2010, 1:57 pmfor me, I think the power of believe was fully utilised by sportsman, soldier etc rather than typical people

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ahaha... well, forget to add this point here.... there`s this guy in my place who was an architect

during late 1990`s economy crisis, his business went down the hill and force him to end it...

then he helped his dad(who was a feng shui master) as during down time, feng shui business blossoms.....

guess what? after few years, the economy start to gets well again, he incorporate fengshui with architecture design... and he created a blue ocean

Bro, I find senses in Tao(the Way) on how lao tzu describe pattern, chaos, randomness... but just rejected Lilian Too`s FS BS

that is confusicous

typical traditional chinese religion is a fusion of 4 religion(culture + religion, just a thin line set them apart)

1) buddhism
2) taoism(it is the study of nature`s balance)
3) confuscious(it is the teaching of moral conduct that leads to ancestral worshipping)
4) folk lore religion (jade emperor, sun goku etc)

ethics is relative

you watch too many TVB drama

there are.. but less..... the original tai chi master still practise it today...

during the period when buddhism florish in china, taoist prist who felt intimidated and fear of losing influence over emperor, they start to input stories etc..

e.g. kuan Di a the buddha etc.

you need to differentiate though.. which is original and which is twisted facts... like our local imperial scene

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Added on September 20, 2010, 5:09 pmlike I said, you need to know core essence inorder to know how to differentiate the facts....

let me put an example of myself...

when I was small(as typical chinese laa) whom were told to worship the statue of buddha, see people being possed by deity and we would gather to admire him etc....

asked my parents and they asked me not to question as it is just not right for us to question(this shut my curiousity.. for few then)

as I grew older, I read more on all the religion.. I mean I personally study all the religious books(Bible, Quran, hinduism buddhism, taoism etc...)

so, I get clearer pictuer of it.

Take buddhism for example.... IF you do not read tipitaka or study buddhism... as many typical chinese do not, they might confuse that there`s china buddha, thai buddha, indian buddha etc etc...

or you have shakamuni, siddartha, thataga etc.. all are the same...

even the statues are the same person. Since those statue of buddha were not allowed by buddha when he is alive.

and for the act of worship.. what does it mean to chinese when they say I "bai" ?

then as further study, I realise, the word "bai" for chinese is not worship as per worship in christian and islam...

as for kuan di, we do not worship(bai) him as muslims pray Allah... the art of bai is to remember his loyalty, courage, brotherhood and try to imbue those values in us. The statue? it serve a mere symbol...

nothing spiritual bout it. As per WOFS claim could attract wealth

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Added on September 20, 2010, 5:10 pmcertainly there`s cultural gap

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Added on September 20, 2010, 5:10 pmI cannot say "saya berkaki ayam bermain bola" in english as "I chicken legged while playing football"

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 20 2010, 05:10 PM

http://deoxy.org/iching/1

P/S finding it reasonable does not mean I agree it 100% and take it as a reference model to view to natural world

i do believe that the foromers here do not have the qualifications(as per par with Mitchio kaku, albert einstein, stephen hawkings etc) to come with a conclusion....

even it is concluded in LYN, it is not absolute and final

aren`t what you do as what malay say as "meludah ke langit, jatuh ke muka sendiri"

you are the one who asked for conclusions and now you claim there couldn`t be any conclusion scientifically drawn

what I meant was there are no experts here on LYN who has the sufficient knowledge on fengshui as well as applied physics to conclude whether the law/model is valid or invalid

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 23 2010, 08:56 AM

+1

nice argument.....

in math, I think it is sub set...
in which an event result from the cause, but that cause does result in one consequences

friend, I think that you have hit the jackpot. harmony... that is the essense of fengshui(from what I know laa)

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Added on September 24, 2010, 11:15 pmFrom my engineering persepctive, we call this harmony as Equilibrium....

anything that oppose each other, be it direction, magnitude etc will transfter its force/magnitude/force/other dimensions** to opposite side untill the state where it achieve equallity.

I guess, this is the most plausible common sense that we could extract from 10page feng shui discussions

equilibrium in whatever... people`s age that live within the particular area with respect to the activities that they are more keen of doing

** dimension in engineering does not mean Dimensions as in timetravel thread... dimension in engineering meant the different parameters...

e.g. time, length, temperature, viscosity, force, acceleration etc... all of this are different dimensions with their respective unit of measurements

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 24 2010, 11:15 PM

I think nice.rider nailed it.. about harmony..

this harmony is hard to comprehend from the five elements in feng shui, but it made it clear as what nice.rider did it... using example of building, location, fucntion to create harmony.... as one neighbourhood....

e.g. a metaphor in feng shui....

water is the nemesis of fire and you need one of each to equalize each other..

feeling hot, cool down with water and vice versa

fair and logic enough

but one thing I cant get over with is what do you do/judge that makes you determine a certain thing has the characteristic of gold(metal to be precise), water, fire, earth etc....

My wife once ask me to accompany her on a fengshui telling session...

sifu: wah.. lu punya characteristic is wood(after flipping through his bible of feng shui), u must keep a pendant or do alteration on thsi and that and increase the fire property to keep it low [I assume the metaphor of fire burning wood to keep it low]

Awakened_Angel: sifu, how you know my characteristic is wood?

sifu: from my bible laaa.........

AA: that I can tell from your action.. But, how do you justify, based on what criteria or law?

Sifu: instantly show me beh song punya face....



This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 26 2010, 11:03 PM

+1.. I do agree in FS that harmony is essential but at the same time reject mythical beast is in charge of the force

let`s flash back to the past. During ancient times in china, I`d assume most of the people`s are uneducated, superstitious or ignorant with whac now we know as science. Generally, when a spiritual leader speaks, no one are suppose to question the authencity of it. As most of the spiritual leader are either close to king or king himself



exactly, I was informed that my fens shui horoscope is earth... but why? What makes you said so? according to the 10,000 years book of change of course... but hwo valid is the argument within the book? like any other religious book. No one question it, only conclusions/examples/result were drawn randomly to fit in the gap between mythical and fact.

Sorry.. not me.. I do not have the sufficient knowledge in that area. But I think you could get the answer for RM 10.00. Just visit any fortune telling stall.