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post Jan 13 2010, 09:44 AM, updated 16y ago

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Just to check what the diffrent between this model..

I'm looking forward about Plasma in HD. Now S10 model already not in the market.
So maybe need to wait for new series come out on S2 model. BUt Panasonis come out with new series U

So, Any one know about this.. what the diffrent and for sure U model is more cheaper than S model right?


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post Jan 13 2010, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(ReneeRay @ Jan 13 2010, 09:44 AM)
Just to check what the diffrent between this model..

I'm looking forward about Plasma in HD. Now S10 model already not in the market.
So maybe need to wait for new series come out on S2 model. BUt Panasonis come out with new series U

So, Any one know about this.. what the diffrent and for sure U model is more cheaper than S model right?
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I believe U replaces the X series and I think is 720p.

S is the entry level full HD series. Based on what I heard,not much improvement from current S except some improved blacks.

G series onwards is where the true improvement is.
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post Jan 13 2010, 10:04 AM

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Thanks bro.
Just got a few dif..

S Model built with NeoPDP and U dont have..

Both of them are FHD. X Series now come out only on LCD. no Plasma and S only for Plasma....


D Model are using IPS LED
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post Jan 13 2010, 10:15 AM

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Any idea what is the pricing of S2? Same as the obsolete S10?
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post Jan 13 2010, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(ReneeRay @ Jan 13 2010, 10:04 AM)
Thanks bro.
Just got a few dif..

S Model built with NeoPDP and U dont have..

Both of them are FHD.  X Series now come out only on LCD. no Plasma and S only for Plasma....
D Model are using IPS LED
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Asian region specs might differ from North America/Europe. Need to wait and see.

NeoPDP on the S is not certain.
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post Jan 13 2010, 10:23 AM

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I dunno but this NeoPDP panel on the outgoing G is not impressive to me. Panasonic had a fair recently where they had the G next to the S and X playing the same source and the G's black levels were bad. It looked like dark gray instead of black, worse than the S. Not sure if they did any settings or not though.
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jan 13 2010, 10:23 AM)
I dunno but this NeoPDP panel on the outgoing G is not impressive to me. Panasonic had a fair recently where they had the G next to the S and X playing the same source and the G's black levels were bad. It looked like dark gray instead of black, worse than the S. Not sure if they did any settings or not though.
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I thought NeoPDP is only for reduce power consumption? hmm.gif Maybe I am wrong. tongue.gif
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post Jan 13 2010, 11:15 AM

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its more eco-friendly , save power besides delivering better contrast,deeper black levels and improve white balance.

its suppose to be the in-thing for panny plasma to fend off LCD Tv

but in malaysia ,where are we now. neo PDP seems a distant dream . all we have is the X and S series . even the G series here are not on par with europe and north america

hopefully , this coming April/May , we have more higher end panny at a more affordable price
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post Jan 13 2010, 11:17 AM

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Is there any picture of the new design? Or it looks the same as the older 2009 version?
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post Jan 13 2010, 11:23 AM

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panny designs are so so only compare to sammy. infact LG latest offering are fast catching up

there's a forum discussing about new panny PDP models and generate many pages but more than a few talk about how ugly the panny bezels are
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post Jan 13 2010, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jan 13 2010, 11:23 AM)
panny designs are so so only compare to sammy. infact LG latest offering are fast catching up

there's a forum discussing about new panny PDP models and generate many pages but more than a few talk about how ugly the panny bezels are
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panasonic quality - from inside (primary) to outside (secondary)

samsung quality - from outside (primary) to inside (secondary)

agree?

panasonic is like toyota car, design is so-so only but people still consider it and the demand is always high.
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post Jan 13 2010, 12:08 PM

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panny hired ex-pioneer Kuro TV engineer to work only for the high(est) end V series!!! what a load of crap....

new V series have what's claim Infinite Black Pro panels...whilst anything below V series have Infinite Black panels...dunno if there's any improvement over current series in terms of blackness...

looking at the brief specs, dun think one shud expect huge improvements...
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post Jan 13 2010, 12:11 PM

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highest in panny line is Z. second is V smile.gif

im drooling over 65" V drool.gif
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post Jan 13 2010, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Jan 13 2010, 12:08 PM)
panny hired ex-pioneer Kuro TV engineer to work only for the high(est) end V series!!! what a load of crap....

new V series have what's claim Infinite Black Pro panels...whilst anything below V series have Infinite Black panels...dunno if there's any improvement over current series in terms of blackness...

looking at the brief specs, dun think one shud expect huge improvements...
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also the patents they licensed from Pioneer is also only in the V series. So V series will be priced as a premium to recover some of the costs.
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post Jan 13 2010, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 13 2010, 01:26 PM)
also the patents they licensed from Pioneer is also only in the V series. So V series will be priced as a premium to recover some of the costs.
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then they should have asked to be able to use the Kuro word.. or elite.. at least when buy these V series got a sense of higher class products to differentiate from the other low end models.. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 13 2010, 01:38 PM

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Pioneersonic Kuro V series? laugh.gif
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post Jan 13 2010, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jan 13 2010, 01:38 PM)
Pioneersonic Kuro V series? laugh.gif
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Kuro Elite V series.. gloss black bazel so 90s era Pioneer elites.. so we suggest Glow in dark bazel.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 13 2010, 01:35 PM)
then they should have asked to be able to use the Kuro word.. or elite.. at least when buy these V series got a sense of higher class products to differentiate from the other low end models..  biggrin.gif
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Trust me, the egos from Pannys do not like to be associated in any way of the old Pio. It took a lot of coaxing for them to actually admit that some of the old Kuro tech was inside the new Pannys.

The difference is Panny has a wide range, Pio did not. They only had one range. One/Two panels per year and firmware to control the different ranges.

The good thing is that the advances made will be utilized going forward. The technology is not locked away rotting in a vault.
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post Jan 13 2010, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Jan 13 2010, 12:08 PM)
panny hired ex-pioneer Kuro TV engineer to work only for the high(est) end V series!!! what a load of crap....

new V series have what's claim Infinite Black Pro panels...whilst anything below V series have Infinite Black panels...dunno if there's any improvement over current series in terms of blackness...

looking at the brief specs, dun think one shud expect huge improvements...
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99.9% of the world does not care for the actual tech that goes on in their day to day lifes. How many times have u actually wondered how the managed to cram so many features into the mobile phone or how the display u bought works. The common man does not care, he just knows it works. And how cheap it is....

The tech that goes into the displays is phenomenal. The approach to solutions takes time and money. Normally, this is appreciated by a few who can understand why there is a premium to pay for the good stuff. I believe that is why Panny took that approach. However, u will see the benefits on the advancements in next years entry level models when the edge is lost.
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post Jan 13 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 13 2010, 02:54 PM)
Trust me, the egos from Pannys do not like to be associated in any way of the old Pio. It took a lot of coaxing for them to actually admit that some of the old Kuro tech was inside the new Pannys.

The difference is Panny has a wide range, Pio did not. They only had one range. One/Two panels per year and firmware to control the different ranges.

The good thing is that the advances made will be utilized going forward. The technology is not locked away rotting in a vault.
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honestly, i'm not sure if its a good or bad thing, being as exclusive as Kuro...

on one hand, Kuro was like the elite of plasma displays...they dun hv any 'lower' range or entry models...hence giving utmost exclusivity & giving its proud owners a high sense of elite-ness smile.gif

one another hand, sad to say, that's why Kuro went kaput...

with panny, even if i can afford its V or Z series, not sure if i will feel as 'elite' as if i were to own a Kuro...probably becos i know there are lower range of panny plasma displays...

in a way, anyone from noob to elite can afford a Panasonic Plasma tv (series aside)...but only the true elites can have a Pioneer Kuro...

but on second hand, panny able to survive & keep making plasma displays...but at least, they can share some of their Kuro expertise into all range of 2010 lineup...
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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Jan 13 2010, 03:05 PM)
honestly, i'm not sure if its a good or bad thing, being as exclusive as Kuro...

on one hand, Kuro was like the elite of plasma displays...they dun hv any 'lower' range or entry models...hence giving utmost exclusivity & giving its proud owners a high sense of elite-ness smile.gif

one another hand, sad to say, that's why Kuro went kaput...

with panny, even if i can afford its V or Z series, not sure if i will feel as 'elite' as if i were to own a Kuro...probably becos i know there are lower range of panny plasma displays...

in a way, anyone from noob to elite can afford a Panasonic Plasma tv (series aside)...but only the true elites can have a Pioneer Kuro...

but on second hand, panny able to survive & keep making plasma displays...but at least, they can share some of their Kuro expertise into all range of 2010 lineup...
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The important thing is not about being elite or noob.

The most important thing is if a company as big as Panny can truly deliver more that Pioneer ever could.

Panny used to put out the best screens out there till 2007. They have slacked. Hope they get their act together else they will also wash away with the LCD revolution.

Also, if u do not see the difference and u r happy with ur entry level set, why worry about wanting a better set. Its elite as long as the owner is happy with the product.

Having a Kuro and not being able to appreciate that is better but merely feeling that he/she has the best set is really not important.

Thats the point I am making.

I have got calls to calibrate Kuros, but the person uses it to watch pirated DVDs and low res stuff. Why buy one for that?
Panny has better people at management, thats why they are so big. Pio was badly managed and they have gone bust in the display industry. They made a big mistake of buying a wrong plant and backing it.

My point is Panasonic needs to pull up its socks and improve, get back to being the leader they once was. The strong fight put out by the LCD camp cannot be ignored.
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post Jan 13 2010, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 13 2010, 03:20 PM)
The important thing is not about being elite or noob.

The most important thing is if a company as big as Panny can truly deliver more that Pioneer ever could.

Panny used to put out the best screens out there till 2007. They have slacked. Hope they get their act together else they will also wash away with the LCD revolution.

Also, if u do not see the difference and u r happy with ur entry level set, why worry about wanting a better set. Its elite as long as the owner is happy with the product.

Having a Kuro and not being able to appreciate that is better but merely feeling that he/she has the best set is really not important.

Thats the point I am making.

I have got calls to calibrate Kuros, but the person uses it to watch pirated DVDs and low res stuff. Why buy one for that?
Panny has better people at management,  thats why they are so big. Pio was badly managed and they have gone bust in the display industry. They made a big mistake of buying a wrong plant and backing it.

My point is Panasonic needs to pull up its socks and improve, get back to being the leader they once was. The strong fight put out by the LCD camp cannot be ignored.
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tho i'm no expert, at least i can still see the clear difference of Kuro vs rest of the lineup....it really gives you the shocking.gif + drool.gif effect...but getting them to watch pirated dvds...hrrmm..that guy must be filthy rich but dunno how to appreciate what he's got...

as usual bro anfield, you always comes up with real sensible explanations...i really tabik you notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

they are probably releasing less ideal displays to fend off LCD competitions...creating consumer awareness of plasma & letting them know plasma tv's are just as affordable as LCDs with their entry level plasma TVs....as well as keep stating plasma is a better display compared to LCD, which i totally agree....


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Little info about Panasonic VT25 from CNet:

We asked Panasonic's rep whether the the new TVs, like the current V10 series, would include a 96Hz refresh rate, to better display native 1080p/24 content. We were told that the VT25 would have a 96Hz option, but that the new G25 and G20 models would have the same flicker-prone 48Hz refresh rate option found on the current G10 models. See the review of the Panasonic TC-PG10 series for details.
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