Kinda curious and confuse...
creatine and glutamine can be taken together? Some article said they shouldn't be taken together but some say it's fine... confusing...

I'm workout in the morning due to my hectic schedule, basically my supplementation are as follow....

Break-d-Fast – Whey (1 scp) + Glutamine (3g), OptiMen (2 Tabs)
Pre-WO – NOXplode + Creatine(5g)
Post-WO – Whey (2 scps) + Glutamine (3g)
Before Bed – Whey (1 scp) + Glutamine (5g)

After breakfast, approx 1 hr, i will consume my pre-WO supp and hit the gym after 30mins. I usually mixed my whey with 5tbsp of oatmeal for extra fiber in my diet.

Is this optimal?
LYN BB expert, please enlighten me...
TQ

some bber consume whey protein + creatine post workout...most whey proteins contained glutamine + BCAA + arginie + etc...thus, you can take it together...

Thanks diablokun...
BTW, Should creatine be taken pre or post....? Which one come 1st, creatine or glutamine?

Kinda curious and confuse...
creatine and glutamine can be taken together? Some article said they shouldn't be taken together but some say it's fine... confusing...

I'm workout in the morning due to my hectic schedule, basically my supplementation are as follow....

Break-d-Fast – Whey (1 scp) + Glutamine (3g), OptiMen (2 Tabs)
Pre-WO – NOXplode + Creatine(5g)
Post-WO – Whey (2 scps) + Glutamine (3g)
Before Bed – Whey (1 scp) + Glutamine (5g)

After breakfast, approx 1 hr, i will consume my pre-WO supp and hit the gym after 30mins. I usually mixed my whey with 5tbsp of oatmeal for extra fiber in my diet.

Is this optimal?
LYN BB expert, please enlighten me...
TQ

actually there's a lot of opinion on this but i personally think (and most of bber like layne norton), creatine best consume post workout...same goes to glutamine, post workout...you can take em together or....as for creatine, max 5g / day yea...

No need to load No-Explode with creatine. It's already have 4 type of creatine on it.

My advice, drop the glutamine, replace with EAA.

Thanks for the informative advise...  
isn't that glutamine is also essential? considering on gaining mass???
EAA = BCAA?? izzit the same? The current whey that i consume has already premixed with BCAA... does that count???

Thanks for the informative advise...  
isn't that glutamine is also essential? considering on gaining mass???
EAA = BCAA?? izzit the same? The current whey that i consume has already premixed with BCAA... does that count???

But I Thought Glutamine Was A “No Brainer” Supplement?
Creatine is a ‘no brainer’ supplement, protein powder is a ‘no brainer’ supplement,
multi vitamins and fish oils are ‘no brainer’ supplements. Sorry, Glutamine, you did
not make the team.So here is where I will make my stand. Glutamine has no muscle-building effects
whatsoever.

Just because glutamine has been proven to work in clinical stress testing does not
mean it equates to exercise stress that you experience after a killer workout. Clinical
stress such as severe burns, AIDS and extensive surgery are good reasons to warrant
its, use but you simply don’t cause enough muscular damage during your workouts to
justify its use.

When Glutamine Is Worth Using
David Barr fingers a few situations when glutamine supplement will prove useful
for the bodybuilder, so here is a chance to see if your glutamine should still be in
your budget:
• Glutamine supplementation could prove useful for bodybuilders who decrease their
testosterone levels after coming off a cycle improperly. Muscle breakdown is at its
highest in these circumstances despite a quality nutrition plan, so glutamine might
help.
• During a pre-contest training regiment that consists of very low calories and high
volumes of exercise, protein breakdown is much more likely. Basically, any extreme
dieting or fat loss program with the hopes of getting extremely lean can result in increased
stress, therefore increased catabolism. Competitive bodybuilders and fitness
models are perfect examples of those who might benefit from glutamine supplementation
in this above-normal fat loss situation.
• During incidences of extreme weather conditions and/or multi day training, there
are situations where extreme stress can be counteract with glutamine supplementation.
Triathletes and endurance athletes come to mind.

Glutamine - Glutamine has been shown in numerous studies to not only be completely ineffective for enhancing body composition, but it is also completely utilized by the stomach and never reaches the bloodstream. This is also very expensive and most will not see any benefits. Do not spend money on glutamine.

Nutrients lost are Amino Acids (protein ), glycogen (carbohydrate ), ATP ( creatine ), water,etc. That's why you need to arm yourself even before you go to gym, you need to supplement some speific drink during and post workout to keep you EVEN GROWING when you train. There is no need to wait until you finished your training to replenish your muscle, which I call this the old conventional way. We can always saturate those nutrients first in our system before we hit the gym. But you CAN"T take a bowl of rice or pasta( carbs) and some chicken breast( protein) right before you train, simple because they take time to be digested. The RIGHT nutrients need to be fast acting ( most elemental form) which need no or minimal digestion. And they have to be there in very specific amount.

And I am talking about specific ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS here ( not regular whey protein). MANY Researches say that it's better to take 6g of EAA than taking 25g of whey protein.

Q: Teck Leong, thanks for your informative reply. The consumption of high GI food is recommended for both cutting and bulking too?
There are many things which i read online and now i'm confused about the consumption of high GI food (dextrose/ Vitargo) after workout. Some say that while you are cutting, you cannot consume it post workout, some say you should consume it post workout even if you are cutting.I'm confused. Haha. take your time in replying. i appreciate your advises A LOT. haha

A: No need to be confused laaaaaaaaaaa. Haha look !
If you think fast acting is not to be add for post wkt....Are you suggesting whey alone or any protein stuffs.... ?????
So to say it's best to take 2/3 scoops of whey protein alone??????

You already knew that the protein you consume would not be used as it's intended to be used, meaning protein should be use to build and repair muscle-cells but it's being converted to glucose for glycogen replenishment. In other words, you take protein and use it as a carbs source. More expensive protein to replace inexpensive carbs------also asking your body to do more works of converting protein by dropping its nitrogen compound-----increasing your body's burdent ( expensive cost and experience). YOU ARE WASTING YOUR EXPENSIVE PROTEIN.
Look around your gym, see those people making simple mistake like that means they know nothing at all about sport nutrition.

Haha good lesson, right????

So it's a must have ....right??? Do you agree? YES OF COURSE.
But.. the main concern here is quantity.....QUANTITY..
So long as the carbs you add is less than you burn/use during the whole wkt, you are still running a deficit. When you run a deficit,....you are still losing weight.... or lose FAT when you have also kept your protein intake high......

Of course, some say this and some say that.............IF you want to learn mathermatics....Would you consider learning from someone who scores A+ or you wanna ask someone who fails.....haha I hope you are clear.

All protein food contains amino acids which are its building blocks. Amino acids are divided into 2 groups: namely essential and non-essential. A complete protein food is said to have both groups. An incomplete protein source however lacks many of the essentials.

EAA is essential amino acids. EAA are termed essential because our bodies can NOT systhesize them and we must get them from our diet/food. In order words,if you don't obtain EAA from food, you will never have them. We need complete EAA to promote protein systhesis,or muscle hypertrophy in bodybuilding.

Unlike EAA,however, our bodies are capable of manufacturing non-essential amino acids. Thus, making this group less important.

They are 9 essential amino acids which 3 of the most important EAA are actually Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAA) which are found in this product, Xtend.
Xtend is actually BCAA plus l-glutamine.

In short,EAA includes also BCAA plus 6 more important amino acids, where as BCAA is only 3 of the 9 essential amino acids.

Which one is better????
Of course EAA is more complete source, and they are the most important parts of any protein food. It is the EAA that make animal protein more superoir than plant protein such as soy and nuts.

In fact, when we consume whey protein, it is the EAA in the whey that we are after. It's the EAA in the whey that makes it valuable/pricy. Otherwise, we'd have settled for the less expensive soy/plant protein.

EAA Stack, with its comprehensive essential amino acid (EAA) profile, is designed to deliver the correct ratios of key essential amino acids required for igniting the anabolic drive via increased muscle protein synthesis and decreased muscle protein breakdown. Recent research has shown that, following resistance exercise, only EAAs are needed to spark protein synthesis - non-essential amino acids (NEAAs) are not required and are effectively wasted. What makes EAA Stack superior is that it contains the right forms and dose of EAAs. By using only special Free Form aminos, EAA Stack delivers those critical aminos fast, when your muscles need them most.  So on the road to recovery and new growth, be sure to fuel your muscles with EAA Stack.

if you have extra money, better get yourself a multivits (eg : AnimalPak)...i would drop glutamine, EAAs or whatever...if you want to be discrete on what supplements you need, you first need to be discrete about your training and diets...it's just a waste if you overlook them...

just my 0.2...