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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v3, Everything you need to know about bass!

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I have to stop reading to prevent me from laughing out loud in the office!!! sweat.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 08:20 AM

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wah...clever use of the Ikea step stool thumbup.gif

I think your TV a bit too high placement , with speakers way below the TV, the sound staging will like hearing those people talking squatting from below the picture....

Your center speaker can match with the L/R???
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post Jan 22 2010, 08:06 AM

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my SVS have "thump" when switch off....
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post Jan 23 2010, 05:20 PM

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Full price with tax included for the Epik....around the price of PC12+ selling here.....brows.gif
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post Jan 23 2010, 05:24 PM

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with no warranty wor....really want?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 23 2010, 05:30 PM)
I tot got waranty if send back to USA?  biggrin.gif
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The shipping fee to send back to USA to claim warranty, better buy a new one tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Feb 8 2010, 01:15 PM)
You can dig the info yourself.
Shipping for dual empire to Malaysia would be approx USD2k.
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Added on February 8, 2010, 2:21 pmThe review of the Epik Empire:-

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Here's a review from AVS:

Hello! I have lurked here for years and wanted to start out by saying thanks to everybody who posts here. I noticed that yesterday someone mentioned their first impressions of the Empire compared to their sub, and I had the opposite thoughts entirely. So, I really wanted to share my experiences for those of you thinking about getting one.

I’m not a pro or expert on measuring or reviews, but have read a lot of forums and reviews before and have had a lot of subs to compare to each other. My room is about 4000 cubic feet. I’ve owned some smaller commercial subwoofers in the past from Polk and Velodyne. Each step up brought me closer to better bass. I upgraded to a Rythmik Audio 15 not too long ago and while I liked it, it still did not have enough output for me.

I currently own a pair of MFW-15’s. I got them used for a good price since so many people have had problems with them. I took a chance on them and while they are the best subs I’ve had, I’ve never really been 100% happy with them. They are co-located in one spot for maximum output and the best performance in my room.

When I saw the new Empire’s for sale, I just ordered them on gut instinct. They arrived on a pallet. The packaging is fantastic. They are double boxed and shipped in custom cut foam. Even the shipping boxes looked nice when they arrived. No owners manual yet, but Chad said he is working on this. Even so, he walked me through my basic questions on the phone.

I can definitely say that the Empire’s are totally amazing subwoofers and are the best I’ve had. They are easily outperforming my AV123 MFW-15’s by a noticeable margin. They are louder, cleaner, punchier and more musical. Everything about their performance is an improvement from what I am used to. The midbass output is INCREDIBLE, just like Epik promised.

Things that used to bother me about my MFW-15’s are no longer an issue. I could bottom out my MFW-15’s if I pushed them hard enough. No matter how hard I push the Empire’s, they just stay clean. When a movie plays now I just sit back and relax no matter how crazy the soundtrack gets.

My MFW-15’s were also somewhat difficult to dial-in and blend with my main speakers. I struggled with it for a long time. The Empire’s just dropped in with no fuss. The blend is seamless.

I took out my dual MFW-15’s to hook up the Empire’s in my room, so I don’t know what they all would have sounded like together.

On music, the Empire’s sound quality is also a big upgrade. I can absolutely crank these things on music too. I guess that makes sense since the pair of them have four 15 inch drivers between them! I look at the drivers and it is like they are barely moving on music even at wicked volume levels. It just sounds effortless. Clean jazz recordings like Diana Krall sound SOOOO good through the Empires. They only play what is on the recording and the upright bass sounds like it is in the room.

Movies are amazing too with these Empires. The depth charge scene from U-571 felt like it was shaking my room to pieces. The added midbass slam is just as good as the low bass. Iron Man, Finding Nemo, The Incredible Hulk, Fight of the Phoenix are being taken to a new level through these new subs. Anything with that crazy low bass is finding its way into my bluray player. I’m hearing things I never heard before. The sound also seems to keep getting better the more that I play them. They are breaking in NICELY!!!

I hear a definite change in the sound of the sealed Empires versus the ported MFW-15’s. Everything sounds tighter on the low end and there is less overhang. It is very crisp and I love the sound!!!

The output in every register has also increased noticeably versus my old subs. With some rough measurements I am getting at least 3 dB more on the low end around 20 Hz. When I start using REALLY low test tones below 15 Hz, the MFW-15’s don’t like it. The ports and drivers go crazy and I have to back off. The Empire’s sealed design doesn’t mind the low test tones at all. I can’t really hear anything from the subs with test tones below 20 Hz, but I can feel it and the walls and everything in my room starts rattling. Even at 10 Hz there is something going on down low.

As I go up in frequency, the Empire’s start getting WAY louder than the MFW-15’s. And when you start getting above 40 Hz it gets insane. At 80 Hz, ONE Empire is easily louder than BOTH of the MFW-15’s playing together. It measured about 4 dB louder and I basically couldn’t take it anymore it was so loud. With both subwoofers hooked up the max output is totally unreal. Movies that have heavy artillery or explosions now have chest slam thanks to the added output.

It is also cool that when you set your hand on an Empire playing really loud, you can’t feel much of anything. The opposite firing drivers are really effective. It definitely has an effect on the sound. All my previous subwoofers shook, so I couldn’t use them as end tables.

I probably sound like a broken record, but the clarity and sound of the system is just different now. The dynamics are also transformed. Even at the same volume level as my MFW-15’s, my Empire’s just sound more alive. When I have to occasionally listen at lower levels, this is a nice little bonus.

The Empire is definitely heavier than I expected. I liked that the MFW-15’s were a little lighter and easier to move around. I left off the spikes and could push them around on my carpet. I used a dolly to roll the Empire’s around and that ended up working out just fine though.

The Empire’s don’t have the same finish quality as the MFW-15’s either. My MFW-15’s are beautiful Cherry veneer. But, you can’t hear the veneer, so I don’t mind. The finish of the Empire’s is better than I expected though. The black finish is smooth and the grills on the sides make it look really nice. The round corners also make it look smaller than it is.

I just wanted to tell everybody not to question getting one of these beauties. Epik has a winner here. I am incredibly impressed with the performance and the craftsmanship. Now I get why people on the forums say that you have to hear it to believe it. It’s like a tank, and sounds amazing. I don’t think that they are charging enough for these subwoofers. I would have paid a lot more for them if I knew it was this good.

I have never been so happy with an audio component purchase. I took a chance on Epik and I am glad that I did! Their service has been amazing too. Chad really knows how to design a subwoofer and answered all my questions.

I will post more about them as I play with them more. I will try to get some pictures up shortly too. A friend of mine agreed to bring over his Hsu ULS-15 to compare with the Empire sometime, so if he brings it over, I can’t wait to hear that too.

Sorry that this is so long! I just wanted to share.

P.S. At Chad’s (Epik’s owner) request, I bought Terminator Salvation and watched the “gas station scene”. The bass and especially the midbass coming from the Empire during this scene is nothing short of unreal. It was downright scary. Along with all of the explosions, the robot makes this “noise” as it moves around which the Empire’s just crank out. It sounded like my room was being torn apart. Never heard anything quite like that before!!


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2009 Consumer Excellence Award Winners

Speakers > Subwoofers

Company: Axiom Audio
Product: EP800
MSRP: $2,350
www.axiomaudio.com

According to Axiom, the EP800 plays louder than most live performances reaching an amazing 125 dB Sound Pressure Level! After personally hearing this sub at their facility almost 2 years ago, we have little doubt about these claims.  The Intelligent DSP is said to virtually eliminate distortion. Instead, it tightly controls the signals to the 800-watt power amplifier and two massive 12-inch aluminum drivers  with dual 3-inch voice coils to provide you with peak performance making the EP800 virtually unbreakable!  With a 13Hz extension, you won't miss any LFE effects.  Available in upright configuration or a convenient horizontal configuration that is perfect for under screens or behind couches. If you want the ultimate in pure, subterranean bass, the Epicenter EP800 Intelligent DSP Subwoofer delivers.  It's built to last with a 5 year manufacturers warranty to back it up.


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In this graph, there is an 8 dB rolloff to 13 Hz, but the response is otherwise flat from 15 - 75 Hz. I suspect that at least some of the rolloff is due to room effects and unfortunately the BFD is not capable of any sort of equalization below 20 Hz, so my ability tweak that low is nil. (they didn't plan for a sub like the EP800 when they built it!)

Just to test this theory, I played a test tone at 13 Hz and turned up the gain manually to see how loud it would go (or how loud I could stand it). When it hit 103 dB at 13 Hz, I decided to give up. (Yes, 103 dB at 13 Hz!) Keep in mind that my gain dial on the back of the 800 isn't even at the halfway mark, but I literally could hear and feel the drywall in the back walls of my theater shaking when going to 103 dB, so I didn't feel like taking it any louder.

So, to answer the question above, "Is it Loud?" Yes, it is.



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The SVS can be tuned to several different modes (10,15,20 Hz, etc.) For this comparison, I'm using the measurements taken from the 10 Hz mode as it seems to most closely resemble the extension of the EP800. Below are the best results I was able to achieve with both subs in my room.

The graphs below include the EP600 as well to show a complete comparison between the three.

As the graph shows, in my room the EP800 extends its flat response significantly deeper, but it is again important to note that this is likely largely impacted by room effects as I did not have my home theater chairs in the room when I tested the PB13, so this is not an entirely apples to apples comparison. I've seen several frequency response charts that show the SVS playing with only a modest roll off down to 10 Hz, so I believe this chart belies its capabilities to some degree (though you'll note it did have slightly more output at 10 Hz than the 800).


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USD44 is normal price...radioshack selling USD44.99
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hmmm...maybe I have luck with all these ID company,
My e-mail to Submersive, Emotiva, Axiom, eD and Hsu all got response at 1st e-mail, and replied very fast too, usually within 24 hours....even with M&K's former owner, even though he don't own M&K anymore, he still reply my mail....wonder when will his "surprise" new design speakers will be out.....
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QUOTE(logit85 @ Apr 25 2010, 11:59 PM)
no lah PB13-Ultra 70kg


Added on April 26, 2010, 12:00 am
why cannot pinjam let say u can come my house then u can bring subwoofer pb13-ultra i test sound bass
then u can take out can ?
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what u add?

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QUOTE(logit85 @ Jun 2 2010, 02:39 PM)
lol 75dB tuning not enough for me i like for much much louder maybe 1xxdB or 2xxdB above
i saw most cinema very loud bass great i dont know what subwoofer using  sad.gif
if SVS Subwoofer will same bass for cinema ??
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2xxdb blink.gif blink.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

MADNESS!!! You wont be able to sit in there for more than 10seconds by playing that loud.....not even those disco will reach 2xxdb!!
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OOOOIII, F Head.....with your unlimited budget...just go buy a f-king cinema!!!!
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Man...you guys really need to get War of The World BD....
very very nice LFE......thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 14 2010, 02:08 PM)
Is it? Heard many good reviews on the ULF in it at avsforum. This is one sub killer ref BD
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go try the tripod raise from ground scene, and many many scene when the tripod blast the laser....not loud....but blasting very low LFE that shake your butt on the couch thumbup.gif
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wahlau.....more poison...have to stay far far away from htkaki taukeh....sweat.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 18 2010, 09:19 AM)
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I thought of sending over the SVS ICE power amp for you to test. Then, the SB12-Plus when it is here blush.gif  and also those power cords and RCAs  tongue.gif More to follow  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ambg @ Jun 30 2010, 01:05 PM)
Thks for all SIFUS (master) advice.

Then will there be any options for ard 3K on subwoofer?

Btw what is ID companies imply in the statement,"ID companies seem to produce good subs that are much better priced"?

TQ.
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ID company get rid of the middleman...thus savings on the marketing/dealer profit gives you much reduce price and more fund channel to the products itself.
for sub ID company, look for those like HSU Research, SVS (slowly turning away from ID company except in US), Submersive, eD, Emotiva (not really good at sub), Axiom, for the same priced item from them, you get mush higher performance compared with general branding products.

Only hassle is most are from US/North America....so a lil hassle for warranty claim and repair

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