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post Mar 18 2010, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 18 2010, 02:14 PM)
Can you find a Transformer 1 1080p movie that can play (without remux) smoothly?
How abt Deep Impact 1080p -DON?
There are a few titles more like Blu Elements - Forsenses, Vertical Limit etc

But as long as you remux it, it should be able to play.
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I finish watching 2012 mkv. The rate is 1536kbps. The fie size is 16GB 1080p movie. Watching using HDPro. No problem, no jerk no issue. Sound is a DTS 5.1


I have not played anything more than 16G/movie yet. And 1536kbps is the highest I've seen so far.

In the same time, I let my notebook streaming the same movie. No jerk on my notebook too. But I didnt pay attention to my notebook much ha ha ha.
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QUOTE(tracktion3 @ Mar 18 2010, 04:18 PM)
I finish watching 2012 mkv. The rate is 1536kbps. The fie size is 16GB 1080p movie. Watching using HDPro. No problem, no jerk no issue. Sound is a DTS 5.1
I have not played anything more than 16G/movie yet. And 1536kbps is the highest I've seen so far.

In the same time, I let my notebook streaming the same movie. No jerk on my notebook too. But I didnt pay attention to my notebook much ha ha ha.
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Even my old Sigma player can play 2012 at that bit rates, but I'm talking abt specific movies that I mention...have you tried any Transformer 1 movie yet? And why your bitrate so little one? only 1536kbps?...that is for the DTS bro....your 2012 is average 12.1~13.7Mb/s icon_rolleyes.gif
The AVC version is 31.95 Mbps.

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post Mar 18 2010, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 18 2010, 05:13 PM)
Even my old Sigma player can play 2012 at that bit rates, but I'm talking abt specific movies that I mention...have you tried any Transformer 1 movie yet? And why your bitrate so little one? only 1536kbps?...that is for the DTS bro....your 2012  is average 12.1~13.7Mb/s icon_rolleyes.gif
The AVC version is 31.95 Mbps.
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not sure why the bit rate is that low. the file is like 16G mkv. tongue.gif

anyway, I dont have transformers 1. I search and see how.


Added on March 18, 2010, 10:52 pmoh i just realized that the bit rate given is an audio bit rate. not the video. How do I check the video bit rate?


Added on March 18, 2010, 11:04 pmu r right azbro, just check the doc comes with it. is around 12+mb/s.

wow, where can find 31+ mb/s AVC version.. gulp....


Added on March 18, 2010, 11:07 pmfound them on the net. crazy large file. 37GB... tongue.gif

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post Mar 19 2010, 01:48 AM

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new WDTV live sold in LYP use what sigma proc ?? 86XX??
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QUOTE(jimmydotnet @ Mar 19 2010, 01:48 AM)
new WDTV live sold in LYP use what sigma proc ?? 86XX??
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Sigma 8655
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post Mar 21 2010, 04:37 PM

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anyone can tell me what is the latest Sigma vs. Realtek player? :-)
What Sigma vs. Realtek latest XXXX model.. refer to what latest branded player?

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post Mar 29 2010, 12:42 AM

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http://www.iboum.com/artkill/chipsets.php

HD Media Player Chipsets
This page gives some technical background to the history of Media Player chipsets and lists the key players associated with each.

The first chipset to be capable of decoding 1080p full-HD video was the 863x from a company called Sigma Designs. The Sigma 863x spawned a whole series of Media Players from early 2008 onwards. It was these players that kick-started the Media Player revolution. Manufacturers released machines with modified versions of the original Sigma firmware, so the Sigma 863x machines are not identical. There are differences in all areas, from user interface to marginal decoding performance. The Sigma 863x is clocked at 300Mhz.


Sigma 8634, 8635
CPU Mhz: 300mhz
Sigma 863x
Media Players

The Sigma 863x has now been superseded by newer chipsets, aimed squarely at the growing Media Player market. Limitations of the Sigma 8635 such as slow user interface, limited DTS support, and just general lack of power have been addressed in a new generation of chips released in 2009.

The Realtek 1283 / 1073 chipset range appeared in mid 2009 and is clocked between the old Sigma 863x and the newer Sigma 864x/865x. The Realteks use one CPU, clocked at 400mhz. A flood of cheap Realtek based Media Players arrived through 2009. The 1073 is the same as the 1283 with some DTV functions stripped out, they are otherwise exactly the same chip providing the same performance in a Media Player. The only hardware performance difference amongst the Realteks is that the Xtreamer is clocked at 450mhz rather than 400mhz.

There are Realtek 1073DA and 1073DD variations, with the DA version being an early release that is unable to downmix DTS. The DA variation is becoming increasingly common among the cheaper players. We now differentiate between the two versions in our detailed specifications and comparison table.

The Realtek chipsets provide fast and reliable performance at a low cost. These players can cope with all Media files you are likely to come across with only abnormally high reframe files or some HD audio formats providing any problems. It was revealed in February 2010 that neither the 1073DA, 1073DD, or the 1283 can passthrough (bitstream) Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. This is a hardware issue and is unlikely to ever be resolved. For most people this is insignificant but if full bitstreaming of these formats is important then we advise avoiding the Realtek chip.


Realtek 1073DA, 1073DD, 1283
CPU Mhz: 400/450mhz
Realtek 1073/1283
Media Players

Sigma released both Sigma 864x series and Sigma 865x series chipsets in late 2009, with the first player featuring the 8643 (Popcorn Hour C-200) shipping in September 2009, and the first 8655 players (WDTV Live / Eminent EM7075) arriving in October 2009. The Sigma 864x and the 865x are related and similar chips with the 864x being the more powerful.


The Sigma 864x contains a 667mhz CPU, a 333mhz IPU (image processing unit), 2* HD video decoding, and three 333mhz Audio DSPs. The 8643 and 8642 are identical except that the 8642 is a Macrovision version allowing for the ability to play copy protected DVD / Blu-Ray.


Sigma 8642, 8643
CPU Mhz: 667mhz
Sigma 864x
Media Players

The Sigma 865x uses a 500mhz CPU, a 333mhz IPU, 1.25x HD video decoding, and one 333mhz Audio DSP. All the 865x variations are similar, with the 8655 being marginally the most powerful. The 8655 uses 64bit RAM whereas the 8653 uses 32bit and the 8655 has six video DACs whereas the 8653 has four. The only benchmarks we could find give identical scores so real world performance is likely near identical. The 8654 and 8652 are copy protection (Macrovision) enabled versions of each allowing for the ability to play copy protected DVD / Blu-Ray.


Sigma 8652, 8653, 8654 8655
CPU Mhz: 500mhz
Sigma 865x
Media Players

One notable deficiency in all the Sigma chips is the inability to play RMVB files.

In 2010 Intel is expected to release it's own new media processor, the 800 MHz Intel CE3100. This chip promises to take everything one stage further towards a single integrated home entertainment hub with computer functions. In some ways it is really just a Pentium M rebadged. It will be interesting to see how this chip compares (including for price) when devices are released utilising it such as the Conceptronic Yuixx.

Other chipsets that we've come across but have little information on are the Amlogic Apollo and MStar D7M26L. When we get more info it will be added to this page.

2009 saw many Media Player chipset developments. The Sigma 863x is now a relic of the past, with more powerful and cheaper chips being available from both Realtek and Sigma. These new chips are both capable of playing flawlessly almost any file you will find in the wild. In this sense, the choice of which chipset you choose has become slightly irrelevant. Of more concern should be the usability of the device and it's price. In the near future we would expect the range of HD formats being used to become much more narrow, largely negating the format issue.

User interface, on-demand content, and additional web-based services will become much more important to the bulk of users.

Page last updated: 22-Mar-10

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post Mar 29 2010, 01:47 AM

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just got myself acryan instead of wdtv live. cant resist the low price of 500 (last time i ask it was 650). acryan mini quoted at 410 and wdtv live i think about 450 or 460 cant recall correctly.

with all the fuss regarding sigma better pq than realtek...well im not against that but heck realtek pq not as bad as i thought. anyway the most important thing is i can now view all the 1080p mkv without any prob and dts stereo downmix works perfectly. dont care much about other functions or format. as long as what i wanted works, im as happy as a rat. not to mention better look and remote than wdtv live. cheers cheers.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Mar 29 2010, 01:47 AM)
just got myself acryan instead of wdtv live. cant resist the low price of 500 (last time i ask it was 650). acryan mini quoted at 410 and wdtv live i think about 450 or 460 cant recall correctly.

with all the fuss regarding sigma better pq than realtek...well im not against that but heck realtek pq not as bad as i thought. anyway the most important thing is i can now view all the 1080p mkv without any prob and dts stereo downmix works perfectly. dont care much about other functions or format. as long as what i wanted works, im as happy as a rat. not to mention better look and remote than wdtv live. cheers cheers.gif
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How's the PQ quality as many claim that it is mediocre compare to WDTV Live?
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post Mar 29 2010, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Mar 29 2010, 11:22 AM)
How's the PQ quality as many claim that it is mediocre compare to WDTV Live?
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People claim that RTK PQ is mediocre compared to Sigma? Really that bad?
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i got jack sparrow series
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post Mar 31 2010, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Mar 29 2010, 11:22 AM)
How's the PQ quality as many claim that it is mediocre compare to WDTV Live?
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Mar 29 2010, 12:57 PM)
People claim that RTK PQ is mediocre compared to Sigma? Really that bad?
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i used to be worried about that but to be honest pohd pq is very nice. there maybe superiority of sigma over realtek but i think u have to really look for it to spot the difference. so far im really satidfied with pohd (realtek). nothing to complaint about.
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QUOTE(arremie @ Mar 31 2010, 02:08 PM)
i used to be worried about that but to be honest pohd pq is very nice. there maybe superiority of sigma over realtek but i think u have to really look for it to spot the difference. so far im really satidfied with pohd (realtek). nothing to complaint about.
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post Apr 2 2010, 01:18 AM

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Apparently, the latest firmware update by WD fixed the unflagged content colour decoding error on the WD Sigma based media players. I think Sigma released a new SDK to finally fix this problem. I will test it when I get the chance, but thats progress in the right direction in my opinion.

Edit : I have confirmed that the latest firmware has fixed the colour decoding error when content is not flagged.

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post Apr 19 2010, 03:50 PM

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i am still looking for a media player that suits my needs.
After going thro' many forums, I am still confused. rclxub.gif
But I have narrowed it down to sigma based players only because of Dolby TrueHD audio or lack there off in RTLK based players.
Please offer any advise or opinion that might help me select.
My prioties are
1) HD video 720P/1080P resolution
2) HD audio viz dts-HDMA and Dolby TrueHD via HDMI to avr. thumbup.gif
3) BDMV/BDremux file playback
4) No streaming or wireless networking required, HDD connected directly to the player. Not savvy enuf to set it up. wub.gif
5) 7.1 surround HT playback if possible as a bonus.

Thank you all!
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QUOTE(klimal @ Apr 19 2010, 03:50 PM)
i am still looking for a media player that suits my needs.
After going thro' many forums, I am still confused. rclxub.gif
But I have narrowed it down to sigma based players only because of Dolby TrueHD audio or lack there off in RTLK based players.
Please offer any advise or opinion that might help me select.
My prioties are
1) HD video 720P/1080P resolution
2) HD audio viz dts-HDMA and Dolby TrueHD via HDMI to avr. thumbup.gif 
3) BDMV/BDremux file playback
4) No streaming or wireless networking required, HDD connected directly to the player. Not savvy enuf to set it up. wub.gif
5) 7.1 surround HT playback if possible as a bonus.

Thank you all!
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I have same requirements as yours and currently I am waiting for HDX BD1's firmware to be stable.

As the temporary measure, I bought a second hand WDTV Gen 1 for normal playback. Quality is not bad for the RM1xx price.

Maybe you could be interested in one of these... if you have more budget.
- HDX BD1
- Popcorn Hour C-200
- Dune BD Prime 3.0

The reviews section of this website is cool
[http://www.mpcclub.com/]
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QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 18 2010, 02:14 PM)
Can you find a Transformer 1 1080p movie that can play (without remux) smoothly?
How abt Deep Impact 1080p -DON?
There are a few titles more like Blu Elements - Forsenses, Vertical Limit etc

But as long as you remux it, it should be able to play.
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tested on frenz's HD Pro, pixelized occurred on Transformer1

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