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post Aug 21 2011, 03:54 PM

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thanks nidz! wonderful!

for buying in bulk? which one do you guys recommend?

out of all the coins in the market, which coins has the lowest premium compare to spot price?

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post Aug 22 2011, 11:17 AM

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anyone has any idea what is the purity level for Kelantan 10 Dirham offered by SilverKini.com ?
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post Aug 22 2011, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(SRDCglobal @ Aug 22 2011, 11:40 AM)
hey bro,

Kelantan's Dirham is 999.0
You will see 99.9, 999+, 999.0, 0.001% impurity etc.
there's even a "world purest silver dirham" with .99999 printed on it.
From what I know, these are just the different expressions of the silver purity.
and the "world purest silver dirham" is just a gimmick to stand out from the rest.

Silver mints are silver mints. Dirhams are dirhams.
They have to be as pure as possible which is 99.9% pure.
Adding extra 9 behind just doesn't cut it.
I wonder if we'll soon see a 99.9999999999999999% silver in the market or not.

Even .99999 silvers react with sweat. It doesn't offer more value.
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post Aug 22 2011, 01:13 PM

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sifus....anyone knows how to clean silver coins bars etc?
is there any special cloth or liquid to clean them?
is there any trick to preserve silver to keep it at tip top condition as long as possible?

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post Aug 22 2011, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(benedict1213 @ Aug 22 2011, 01:19 PM)
@property101, there are a few...

JewelryDOC® polishing cloth Size: 7" x 4"
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the best is to keep at dry humid place and away from direct-air..
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this one? -> http://silver-investment-malaysia.blogspot...hing-cloth.html

or are u selling it? tongue.gif
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post Aug 22 2011, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Aug 22 2011, 02:07 PM)
hopefully it can reach 44 by tonight =P

just bought 10x1oz silver bars from silverformalaysia, great price and good seller. recommended!
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come on! it should have some pull back within these few days >.< i still wanna buy more cheap silver!
looking at current spike, is silver price manipulation over?

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post Aug 22 2011, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Aug 22 2011, 07:25 PM)
USD43.150/oz. biggrin.gif Bought it last week at around USD39/oz. biggrin.gif
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haha....bro, it peaked at 44 earlier but it just started to laosai until high 42
silver price wont go up in straight line, after so many days of shooting up, sure will pull back a bit
aiming to buy some ounces within next few days, hopefully can catch the falling knife at the right time

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post Aug 23 2011, 05:04 PM

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the most competitive i've seen so far is 1stopgold, premium is 10% from the spot price, any other more competitive?
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post Aug 24 2011, 12:21 AM

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how about this:
1. we identify one supplier who is willing to work with us on tiering system
2. we open the floor for everyone to tell how much each person wants to buy, for example i might wan 10oz while another member only want 1oz. add up this amount
3. set a cut off date for this ordering
4. give the list of member and quantity to supplier. supplier is responsible to deal with every member private with the group purchase price

two issues we need to solve here:
1. how to avoid member ffk that might upset supplier?
2. how to determine the spot price as different member might have difference preference on the "buying" time

feel free to refine these
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post Aug 24 2011, 11:10 AM

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how about this:
1. we identify one supplier who is willing to work with us on tiering system
You can't identify only one supplier because you need to compare price and service. But maybe you can ask forumers around which supplier they have deal with and who they recommend. That'll save you lots of time to compare price as well as getting a recommended seller.
yes, of course, the "identifying" process would include comparing service and price. for the member who is also supplier here, anyone would like to propose your quotation? we will have a mini survey on your service smile.gif

2. we open the floor for everyone to tell how much each person wants to buy, for example i might wan 10oz while another member only want 1oz. add up this amount
3. set a cut off date for this ordering
4. give the list of member and quantity to supplier. supplier is responsible to deal with every member private with the group purchase price

two issues we need to solve here:
1. how to avoid member ffk that might upset supplier?
Ask for some monthly regular buyers. Those will less likely FFK.
nice, so the deposit will be directly given to supplier i assume.

2. how to determine the spot price as different member might have difference preference on the "buying" time
Do it on weekends when spot market is close.


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post Aug 25 2011, 12:08 AM

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a question, wonder how the sellers handle the volatility of the spot price. consider this scenario, today's morning spot price is usd40, one customer called u to locked the price and promise to bank in money to you on next day. but in the night time, price falled to usd38, assuming this client is buying a large amount like 30-50oz at a go, and he say he want to cancel the morning order (usd40) and place a new order at night time price (usd38), is it common for the seller to agree to this? or is there anything the seller can do?

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post Aug 25 2011, 02:28 AM

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Hi all, regarding the tier system bulk purchase, I have work out an Excel sheet for the plan.
This Excel sheet would capture the seller's details and the details of the products (obviously is silver in this case). The seller might be providing 1oz bar, 5 oz bar, 10oz bar, coins, tube of coin, Dirham etc. Whatever the seller is providing, just list down into the Excel file. Then seller should send the file back to me. I would later compile a list of seller and get feedback from the members here on their service or a review of the seller basically.
We might consider appointing 2-3 supplier, we use their service on a rotation basis, as I believe there are many people also are consistently buying silver like every month. Therefore there wouldn't be any seller 'monopolize' our forum market and while the first seller is busy handling the first round of bulk buying, the second seller can come in to take care of the second round of bulk buying.
Below are some screen shot of the Excel sheet I mentioned. I'm sure it can be further refined, but let's get this rolling:
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Seller if you are interested to work with us, please fill in the form and I will keep the members updated. Here is the Excel file:
Attached File  silver_supplier.zip ( 9.06k ) Number of downloads: 20


Thank you very much!


Added on August 25, 2011, 2:33 amAgain, basically this is how things would work
1. Identify sellers
2. Sellers give tier system quotation
3. Set a cut off date for bulk purchase
4. Buyers start placing order (understanding that the price might be differ due to not enough buyer to reach seller's tier price). Place 10% deposit at this point.
5. On cut off date, calculate total order. Confirm the price.
6. Seller close deal with buyer privately.


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post Aug 25 2011, 10:19 AM

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wow...39.xx
bros! time to enter?
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post Aug 25 2011, 03:27 PM

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from my humble survey
if anyone interested to get 1 kilo bar, 1StopGold the only place to go, no need think twice. the good thing about 1StopGold are:
1. silver bar come with a serial number and a certificate
2. the premium is lowest in market which is 10% (for example when spot price is USD40, they are selling for only around RM4243.80 )
3. they guarantee buy back - 5% below spot price (at least it's a peace of mind for beginner)
4. brand: PAMP SUISSE

the 'not so good' thing about them
1. minimum order is 1kilo
2. you need to self collect within 14 days during office hour (not so convenient for people far away from kl)



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QUOTE(Jactiego @ Aug 25 2011, 03:36 PM)
another stupid question again , if i bought 1oz x10 silver bar from other,could i sell to 1stopgold when the silver price rise? icon_question.gif
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post Aug 25 2011, 04:03 PM

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price now kinda like resisting at 39.xx - anyone predict going up or going down?
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QUOTE(chef @ Aug 25 2011, 04:07 PM)
Hi Soo,

I know 1stopgold, but they can't be the only source of gold bars! I recommended mysmartgold but they are out of stock, so I just like to know from everyone here who have some stock in gold bars, where else can I buy gold bars that is not too far from spot and can be trusted to buy back. So far here's what I know :

1stopgold : price slightly higher than mysmartgold
mysmartgold : price is acceptable, they are hong cheong watch and jewellery I think, but they are out of stock for small bars
Poh Kong : Only sell their own brand mostly, and they buy back at 12% below spot rate.

any other? how about UOB? heard they are supplying gold bar at good price? but only at certain location is it?

chef
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bought from mysmartgold? please enlighten me on following:
1. i notice mysmartgold spot price is usd50sen higher than kitco, how come?
2. how was the transaction with them? smooth? professional?
3. from the website, the image seems like they are selling PAMP SUISSE bar too, does it mean they got it from MKS?
4. how does their collection work? provide delivery? or self collect?

highly appreciate for an existing mysmartgold customer's respond biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chrischin @ Aug 25 2011, 04:14 PM)
I have bought some silver bars from 1stopgold. Are you pretty sure the GUARANTEE to buy back at 5% below spot? There is nothing in the agreement you signed that say that. Or could i be mistaken?
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it's not written on the buy agreement and sell agreement that you signed
but they did tell me the spread is 15%
while buying is 10% from spot price, so naturally that means selling is 5% from spot price
they also have a paper that list out all their products, they will print it out for your reference on request (the price are update live), the numbers are printed black and white
cheers
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QUOTE(keii-kun @ Aug 25 2011, 10:39 PM)
haha chef, u can always unload your stocks here at win win price.....sure got buaya snap one
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QUOTE(lustman @ Aug 27 2011, 06:59 AM)
it seems they're only a handful of silver sellers locally and tons of buyers. the bad news is sellers are calling the shot as they increased the price due to spot surged. so, buyers are in a dilemma. another thing is the logistic issue.

what do you think?
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No surprise my friend!

If the supply of silver in world is equally distributed among world population, this each person is only going to get 1/14 oz of silver:
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Let's not forget about during 1980s, the silver price surge is only caused by Canada and North America. During those days, there were more silver available on earth compare to today. Today the silver left on earth is less and yet the whole world can buy and has been buying silver.

Other factor such as the decreasing dollar (QE1, QE2, probably QE3), the industrial demand, end of 40 years monetary system, silver price manipulation, and bunch of other stuff in the net. By the way, I didn't make this up myself tongue.gif Anyone who is interested can get more information, this is one of the most updated and informative video I have seen so far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj2s6vzErqY

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