What if the knowledge about GOD is unknown? Something that we can't prove or even prove?
Ever think about that? If you have faith (not knowledge) about GOD, go ahead. Don't go tell everybody that you are the righteous one. Maybe the other people who don't share your faith in GOD could be the right one?

If faith in GOD is higher than the knowledge we know is "higher", then why we need to pening-pening kepala thinking of GOD's existence. We are just mere mortal. Be humble and live life as it is. Tolerate others' opinions but don't try to suppress yours to others.

Could we just be a bit more rational and not to think of think that may or not exist (depends on your definition of "exist"). That's where the problem lies, both religionists and atheists are fighting/arguing/have a war about the existence of GOD. This is going nowhere and the issue debate is still going in the circle.

Science cannot prove GOD existence and non-existence and religious faith alone can't prove so either. Science does not take over your faith to GOD. It could even be a balance to your faith to GOD.

And having a faith doesn't mean you are believing in myths and legends. Some part of your faith could be true, who knows.

Why do we die when there is a shortage of inhaled oxygen? Because it is God's will.
Not exactly useful in treating acute asphyxiation.

By implying "it's GOD's will" is simply faith. I hope you read my statement again. Neither science or faith can prove the non-existence or the existence of GOD.

But the process of dying can be explain by science, but not the death itself. May faith can explain death, perhaps.

We mere mortals cannot explain GOD or even GOD's will with either faith or science. It is better to see it as unknown, mysterious. Why bother thinking about something that cannot be explained with either faith or science?

My point is you believe in GOD simply by faith, go ahead. Just do not oppress people who does not share the same faith by saying "this is GOD's will" etc...

For me, personally, I do not know if there is a more powerful force call GOD. My reasoning is limited and I do not have the measure to explain either GOD existence or non-existence. I'll just leave this case as unknown. Whether GOD's will (just using your term) intervene with science, I just do not know.

Isn't it more humble just to say "I do not know"? It does not make you an idiot (according to science) or less religious. It just make you more humble. Human just can't explain the "powerful force" called "GOD".

For people who have faith, isn't GOD himself teaches human to be humble? Why there is the need to tell that your faith is righteous? Why the need for non-believers to say that GOD doesn't exist and they can prove it with science? We mere mortals simply do not have the answer to this GOD issue. Live with that fact.

Faith cannot give all the answers to scientific findings and science cannot explain most of the tenets of faiths.
Hence GOD existance is merely unknown to the level of all the human knowledge. It could be just a simple need for human to believe in something more powerful than himself.

And why there must be two sides of the story? One thing. Because human just cannot be humble or think rationally.
Why we mere mortals must act like we know everything like we know "GOD" personally or even deny the existence of "GOD"?
Why must we question everything regarding something that may not or may exist? It (GOD) doesn't really involve our lives in fact.
We make the changes and we progress our civilization to a higher level.

We as mere mortal, sure, we can progress even without debating the non-existence or existence of GOD. Mind you again, that progress has been made with science by experimentation and usage of science (what we called technology) - both non believers and believers benefit from progress of technology. The issue here, why bother proving that something that cannot be prove or denied like "GOD". Science can literally take out this "GOD" debate. I just don't understand why some "atheismo" use science as tool to deny GOD existence, just like religulous people use faith to prove "GOD" existence. Can't we stop arguing and progress to something more useful?

BTW cancer can be cured at the right stage with the right treatment and this is called science, not faith. However, the debate about GOD has been longed since the existence of us, mere human mortal. Are we trying to play "GOD" ourselves by trying to put up proves that we created ourselves regarding this "GOD" phenomenon?

The real human condition is not "GOD". It's pride and the inability not to be humble, and it's killing humanity. Both non-believers and believers are just mere mortals who cannot understand their own nature and limit of thinking. "GOD" is delusional. Either you believe or do not believe it, you have been delusional in the first place by thinking of it. That goes to both atheismo and religulous people.

See, you are thinking about GOD again. This specifically shows that human are delusional and constantly thinking about delusions. GOD isn't a creation or neither GOD creates human. You've been thinking about GOD in the first place.
Why the need to understand GOD in the first place? Only bunch of delusional people who are taking advantages over irrational people do.

The main point here, is to understand GOD itself, is a delusion. Human keep seeking for answers that they know that they could never find. And how a guns work isn't a delusion. It is scientifically proven and even people with faith knows how it works, at least generally. Why you are comparing guns with GOD again? That's simply irrational (refer to what I said above). The analogy of GOD (a delusion) isn't the same as known facts or science.

The exact point here - you've proven most mere mortals like yourself are delusional. GOD is a "mysterious" weapon for you irrational people to kill humanity and our rational minds. Either you're an atheismo or religulous, you are delusional from the start. Please, start thinking rationally and stop disillusioning about something that has been used to start war against humanity in the first place.

For the final joke, may GOD be with you, forever

Again... you just don't get the point. Delusion is an illness. Where it comes from? Obviously from human. What point of arguments that you need to stand up for? Go ahead

Imagination is good when it leads to a positive development, but not when it turns into delusion.

You posted Human Condition article to me, yet do you understand what the article is trying to express?

It is not being ignorant. IT IS ABOUT BEING RATIONAL. Keep debating delusional matter like "GOD, who-how-why, defining" etc. shows that you are having the classic case of disillusion.

Again, I would express you are comparing delusion with a concrete fact and proven science. You will always do so, if you can't think rationally.

Again, you continue to argue a delusion with the real thing. If you lost me, then I could not help you. I am not asking you to take me seriously.
Just a simple thoughts for yourself.

The basic point - if you read my post again and compare it to your posting of human condition, human psychology and existentialism is related to the way human not to think rationally. Human wants to compare, compare and compare even the subjects to compare are not compatible to each other, even for a reason that doesn't really make sense. They just want their explanations to be righteous and even want it to be the law.

The subject GOD can never be justified unless you are up to something. The atheismos are denying the existence because they want to prove the religulous people wrong and vice versa. IT is as simple as that.

Imagination is good when it leads to a positive development, but not when it turns into delusion. >> this is answer to you question "Why humans created this so-called God?"
Since when technology we know now is based on believing/disbelieving in GOD? From the world history, the only thing came out of religion/irreligion is war.

BTW it is being rational is the pillar of thinking, not the other way around. It is not totally about logic, but it is about something acceptable and of course most of the things that acceptable by our mind is logical. As long as the concrete reason to explain a question is acceptable and consistent, it is RATIONAL.

Did you get the acceptable and consistent reason behind this defining GOD question? It never had a consistent reason. Hence, it irrational to even discuss the rationality of defining GOD. It just bunch of mortals trying to sell their idea of invisible product called GOD. And you know what, it is very easy to sell and you bought it.

And since when I am against "comparing delusion with a concrete fact and proven science."? Delusional illness can be explained with science but you cannot compare how true a delusion is against scientific facts. >> Read what i posted again >> Again, I would express you are comparing delusion with a concrete fact and proven science.

Take mathematical equation for example.

3 + 1 = 4
4 + 0 = 4

The result for both equations is 4. The rational explanation is you can add any numbers in anyways as long as the result is the same.
Even the concept of real number is rational because it have the explanatiosn and the reasons why it is acceptable in math.

So does how a gun works, cancer can be cured and similar questions that you were comparing to this "defining GOD" and its related issue.

But how to define "GOD"? You'll get different results and different answers explaining the definitions. No one on each side will accept each other's answers. This is when the delusion begins when everyone thinks they are the right one. There will never be a unified answer of defining "GOD", cause one will say GOD doesn't exist (so, how to define it? it doesn't exist) and the other says it's a powerful force and so many other definitions for GOD. IT shows defining GOD never will be consistent and it has no acceptable reasoning for each answers. Isn't that what we called irrational?
When it is not rational, it means human are into the delusional state because he can't think rationally with his reasoning and explanations.



This post has been edited by dopodplaya: Jan 12 2010, 04:16 AM