Is it possible for a local university student to pursue a phD straight after finishing his bachelor's degree?
I heard from my friend that if i acquire the dean list then i'll be able to do so. I'm currently pursuing Mechatronics Engineering in University Technical Malaysia Melaka(UTeM) 1st year. And the dean list requirement is 3.5 for every semester. If i'm able to obtain that, m i able to pursue my phD there? and if it's possible, am i able to pursue the phD in other local uni wif excellent results? please leave your comments here anyone. thanks ^^

i think in Malaysia, u still need go through master even u graduate with 1st class...some of my friend got excellent result, 1st class in engineering, still need to go through master....as i'm concern the requirement to futher PHD is having master of bachelor...not degree...

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It is possible.
But I believe be in the Dean List is not the big matter, it's by per semester after all. The thing is your class, 1st class, second upper etc.
Generally, you should be able to proceed to PhD right away with a 1st class, and sometimes with a second upper.

There is no problem for you to do it in other local universities I believe. But of course, you should be doing something related to your Bachelor studies, and preferably something related to your FYP.

Just curious, how much do you know about PhD?
What do you do in that period of time?

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Added on December 6, 2009, 8:45 pmUTeM seems to need a Master degree.
You need to check out each university as their admission requirement is different.

http://www.utem.edu.my/pps/download/phd.pdf

This post has been edited by tanjinjack: Dec 6 2009, 08:45 PM

if u're talking about IPTAs, no. u need masters. the closest u could do to a straight forward PhD is the MPhil/PhD combo. u do 2 years MPhil, and if u pass it, u can continue for another 1 year for ur PhD.

even so, not many IPTAs have adopted this approach.

mr azarimy,
is MPhil refers to master of philosophy?
i have google wikipedia and it comes out this way:



may i know, what exactly makes the differences between this and master of science and arts?

does it( MPhil) suitable for those who would like do full time research in any fields like science and arts fields?

MPhil's, at least in the context that I see them in, are usually awarded to people who have failed to complete a PhD, but because you tend to do a lot more work, and original one at that, in a PhD than in some other Masters degree, many universities find it fit to award a 'better' masters degree, called the MPhil.

This post has been edited by bgeh: Dec 6 2009, 10:06 PM

that's one version of it.

but nowadays, if u dont have a masters, they will ALWAYS enroll u to an MPhil. MPhil is practically the first 2 years of PhD. involves alot of research (unlike regular masters), and primarily gears towards producing a ground work for ur PhD later on. at the end of the 2 years, u will sit for a viva, in which u will need to pass to convert ur MPhil into a PhD. if u convert, then u will not graduate with an MPhil at all. so from the outside world, it would seem that u studied PhD for 3 years right after degree.

MPhil have no denominations. it covers any topic that u wanna do.

MSc, MArts and all other Ms are just masters in specific fields. it's just easier to label it so.

It's possible to do that but from what I've heard, if you are good at your field, you could take Masters which then will be judged whether it matches the requirements of PhD. You should consult your lecturer on this issue as it's very subjective. Good luck though

thanks for the comments. it seems to me that this matter is still rather ambiguous. But tanjinjack's link (credits to him) made it quite clear that UTeM requires a master's degree. I have a friend in UM and she told me it's 100% possible to pursue a phD if the cgpa is within the dean list range.

Perhaps we can put it this way.
The admission requirement for a PhD programme varies between departments, faculties and also between universities.
Hence, it is very important to check with the respective DEPARTMENT/SCHOOL/CENTRE etc. who you wish to enroll yourself in to see if you hit the requirement or not.

Actually i dont really know much about PhD, just that a friend recently brought up this matter and it really attracted me. Certainly made me very curious. I would like to ask 1 more question if u dont mind. Is possible for me to pursue a Master in National University of Singapore(NUS) with a degree in UTeM? I m rather scared that i'm unable to continue my postgraduate studies because
1. Mechtronics Engineering is the only course in UTeM which is currently no yet accredited because it's a rather new course there.
2. My university is actually very new compared to the other local universities in malaysia.
3. very very very few people know that this university exists! even people in melaka doesnt know!

Thanks

if NUS doesnt accept u on the grounds of accreditation, then ur other option is for other IPTAs.

If you are interested in NUS, then the person who can give you an answer is NUS.
If you are interested in ___ (insert uni name), then the person who can give you an answer is ___(insert the uni name again).

Different universities have different entry requirements. Some need GMAT, GRE etc. while some don't. Some need at least a 2:1 but for some 2:2 would be enough. Some need a prerequisite where your Bachelor must be related, some no need.
You really ought to check out the university ONE BY ONE to know if you qualify, to know if they offer what you want.

correct me if i am wrong:

You can get yourself into a research group in IPTA, and for your case, Engineering research which funded by the university itself.
This is of course is under the guidance of professor(s). Upon the success of your research team, (of course it usually takes 4-5 years) you could actually come out with your own dissertation regarding your research job and attend viva in order to become a phd.

This is what i heard from one of my friend, how reliable it is i am not very sure

Faculty dependent i think....as far as i noe, UKM, USM, UPM, UM all allow 1st classers to skip masters....but i only noe for life science..engineering u nid to confirm with those who noe..

Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Monash University

Minimum entry requirements:
• Bachelors degree requiring at least four years of full-time study, and which normally includes a research component in the fourth year, leading to an honours degree class I (first-class honours) or class IIA (upper second-class honours) level; or
• A course leading to a masters preliminary qualification at a level rated by the Monash Research Graduate School (MRGS) as equivalent to an honours class I or IIA degree; or
• A research masters degree; or
• Masters degree that entailed work, normally including a significant research component,
at least equivalent to an honours degree.
• And to meet the university’s English language requirements.

http://www.monash.edu.my/advancement/future/postgraduate/



I was a bit blur about the min entry requirements. For my case, I already have a bachelor degree with hons. So, do I eligible to join PhD?

This post has been edited by POYOZER: Dec 8 2009, 01:11 AM

yes you are... but that's only academic requirements... u still need a specific area of research, grants, proposals and of course money.

congrats on your 1st or 2nd upper class honors!
U should be eligible, just apply!

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Added on December 8, 2009, 9:46 amdirect Phd don't really means skip masters. I doubt U get 1-2 yr discount from a direct Phd program.



This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 8 2009, 09:46 AM

If you are capable, then you could finish up ur lab work by end of the 3rd year, write up ur thesis, and viva presentation in the 4th year..
it all goes down to your capabilities..If u couldn't cope, there's no point doing a direct PhD...(timeline for life science research).

im thinking to get a phd in the future or not, is that a need for nowadays jobs applying? too many of degree holder nowadays..