This is an interesting topic Awakened Angel.

I've been pondering about this myself. Is communism really Bad....

Over here, we watch war movies, where our heroic soldiers destroy the communist. Over in China I've been watching movies, of communist heroes eliminating, the treacherous democrats.

Actually, both systems have their pros and cons, but evidently Democracy is better, because communism breeds dictators, and are more prone to corruption.

In an ideal communist state, of course, it would be better, but in reality, it is difficult to achieve.

Through out history, communism, were used merely as an excuse by the elite, to rule over their country. "We love you dear leader" this should be a hint of what's going on.

If we look at north korea, teachers are discussing, how they can glorify their dear leader to the kids. It is no wonder they love their dear leader whom they have not met, and whose policies left them in the slumps.

Chairman Mao? hasn't anyone watched that doco on astro? He caused the Catastrophy of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_leap_forward
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

The former, many people died in famine.
The later, caused young adults to go against their parents and teachers, to pick up arms and farm implements, instead of continuing their studies.

It was a bloody mess.

As for the later chinese government, nobody watched, the masacre at Tian men square? The chinese government open fire at defenseless students, who asked for democratic reforms.

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Added on December 9, 2009, 3:55 pmBut the ideals of communism, as some mentioned, are quite good. A state where all man are equal, etc.

All these systems of government were created by us. Why hasn't anybody considered having a government with a combination of the two major systems?

- Free media, where it's everybody's responsibility to spread info, be a whistle blower if an official is taking bribes, etc
- A sense of ownership of the country, collective effort, where it's everybody's responsibility to improve the country.
- Selection of leader, by the people, and not an elite few.
- Fair and concentration on individual rights and to stop the elite from opressing the common man.

To name a few things I can think off.

Actually, if we talk about tyrants, there's no different between one in a democracy and one in communism, both tries to brainwash the people, with fake information, glorifying the leaders. We don't have to look far for a democratic example.


This post has been edited by TheDoer: Dec 9 2009, 03:55 PM

You're right, both systems have it's fair share. but we can see that one tends to be worst then another isn't it?
Instead of stating what we know, why don't we, talk about creating a system which can reduce corruption, misuse of power, and making sure we have choosen the right leaders.

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Added on December 14, 2009, 10:56 amYep that's right. We can't blame democracy for that, blame the people for not knowing what democracy is and not caring to uphold it.

I completely agree with you. Transparency is a key ingredient if we want to eliminate abuse. Perhaps we can include that in our new Political system?

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Added on December 14, 2009, 11:03 amDoes anyone realise, the difference and the problem, about the way people think under different political systems?

In a democracy, people are trying to fight for human rights, freedom of speach, and information.

in communism, people are trying to prove that their system is the best. And constantly fighting against other systems. They will lie to others and even themselves, for national pride.

In otherwords, communism, is just good on paper.

No, hold on, I'm not proposing we scrap communism, what do you feel we can do, to make it more practical? How can we incooperate it with democracy and other ideas?



This post has been edited by TheDoer: Dec 14 2009, 11:03 AM

I agree, I'm refering to Karl Marx most of the time. But in the above example, I was refering to how some countries, are trying to practice communism.

Perhaps it's too idealistic to be practical?

Communism used by those self proclaimed countries, is like, *ahem, some asian country (in the vicinity of Singapore), that claims to be democratic.

I think the problems with Communism or Democracy in the purest sense, is how easy it is to abuse and exploit those systems.

It's like putting a gun to ones head, and asking them to vote. "Heck, who says we aren't democratic".

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Added on December 14, 2009, 11:36 amI'm sorry, can you please explain?

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Dec 14 2009, 11:42 AM

Yes, it is impossible. *Ahem. some countries are democratic, while other's are just a dictatorship in the guise of proper political systems.

- If the government, controls information.
- Use scare tactics to sway votes.
- Use government resources so to win in future elections.
- Use government influence to gain support

Then it is by no means democratic.


Perhaps, a better system of democracy would be that, campaigning will be organized for both parties equally. And no outside effort, or benefit of how rich you are at advertising would be permitted?

This post has been edited by TheDoer: Dec 14 2009, 11:55 AM