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TSAwakened_Angel
post Dec 2 2009, 08:05 PM, updated 16y ago

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hihi, not to bring up about politics... but just read on communism recently on star... so I did some google.. and suprise on the ideology of it...
apart from media exposure, what I used to know about communism is that it links to terroism... we often talk about communism... bad bad.. chin peng.. but no one ever talk about what communism is.....

but recent self research shocks me...

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Communism is a social structure and political ideology in which property is commonly controlled.[1] Communism (written with a capital C) is a modern political movement that aims to overthrow capitalism via revolution to create a classless society where all goods are publicly owned. [1] Karl Marx posited that communism would be the final stage in human society, which would be achieved through a proletarian revolution and only becoming possible only after a socialist stage develops the productive forces, leading to a superabundance of goods and services.[2][3]

"Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life. In modern usage, communism is often used to refer to Bolshevism or Marxism-Leninism and the policies of the various communist states which had government ownership of all the means of production and centrally planned economies. Communist regimes have historically been authoritarian, repressive, and coercive governments concerned primarily with preserving their own power.
I think this is what some people refer as new world order.... what do you all think? no more double standards, no more discrimination, no more class of people, no more oppresion.... where world is united...

P/S.. I am not pro communist.. just someone who are curious and just got to know what communism is....

p/s 2... there`s no slowpoke in PhD school right? tongue.gif
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post Dec 2 2009, 08:06 PM

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On paper it sounds good and jolly, but in society such idealisms fail due to the inherent nature of humans. We are greedy, selfish and pervert things to our own perception of them.

See where I'm going?
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post Dec 2 2009, 08:15 PM

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yes... and the man on the helm will be like the persian god in 300 spartas.....

but china is doing well.... all the people love mao zhe tong
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post Dec 2 2009, 08:20 PM

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hahaha you wish , with new world order it is going to get worst.

It is always good to have governments in small scales in my opinion , like each town and city should have its own elected government , also referred to federalism if i am not mistaken , cause people know the government of the town and there is personal relationship so they will help each other , plus in federalism power is shared there is lower corruption and problems.

Communism always has lots of problem with corruption and mismanagement of resources , if you read communism history you will see how many people died of hunger because bad implementation of policies , and corruption , we got one real life example North Korea ,

once the government becomes to big , problems people face will be ignored.l
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post Dec 2 2009, 08:23 PM


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China is practicing mixed system just like many country . not communism.

the idea behind communism is very good actually, but it doesn't work in the real world. human behavior is very hard to predict. since there is no incentive for the commoners to work hard, the economic system fails.
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post Dec 2 2009, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(JasonMania @ Dec 2 2009, 09:20 PM)
hahaha you wish , with new world order it is going to get worst.

It is always good to have governments in small scales in my opinion , like each town and city should have its own elected government , also referred to federalism if i am not mistaken , cause people know the government of the town and there is personal relationship so they will help each other , plus in federalism power is shared there is lower corruption and problems.

Communism always has lots of problem with corruption and mismanagement of resources , if you read communism history you will see how many people died of hunger because bad implementation of policies , and corruption , we got one real life example North Korea ,

once the government becomes to big , problems people face will be ignored.l
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but the national geographic showed that people bowed down to picture of the president and say " I love you" blink.gif

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post Dec 2 2009, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Dec 2 2009, 08:51 PM)
but the national geographic showed that people bowed down to picture of the president and say " I love you"  blink.gif
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Not all is as it seems in the media. That which is portrayed is probably a portion of the entire community.
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post Dec 2 2009, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Dec 2 2009, 08:15 PM)
yes... and the man on the helm will be like the persian god in 300 spartas.....

but china is doing well.... all the people love mao zhe tong
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There's no such thing as a communist country, ever.

Try digesting on that above a bit, and think on why this is so. I'll elaborate further as we go on.
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post Dec 2 2009, 10:06 PM

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fyire's right

There are no Communist state in this world, never. Not China, not former CCCP/USSR(Soviet Russia), not Cuba, not North Korea, not Vietnam, not Laos and more. None of them are the true practitioner of Communism.

Chairman Mao respected in China because of his role in creating a new and stronger China, not because of any Communism etc etc.

IMO, human nature failed the Communism, not the ideology.
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post Dec 2 2009, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Dec 2 2009, 08:51 PM)
but the national geographic showed that people bowed down to picture of the president and say " I love you"  blink.gif
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If they don't bow in front of the camera, the whole family will end up in Correction Camp No 101. nod.gif
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post Dec 2 2009, 10:16 PM

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the best political system in general for asian countries is a single party system.... good models are like china and singapore... capitalism is not a part of the political system to a certain extent... the economy is free but at the same time restricted... that would be the best

communism? for politics yes, for the economy.. no
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post Dec 2 2009, 10:28 PM

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Agreee with Alaskanbunny

Then People's Republic of China(controlled by CCP) and Singapore(controlled by PAP) is best example liao. Heck, even Chinese gomen learnt many things from Singapore biggrin.gif

Just follow the Meritocracy system AKA "make sure only good people control the government" then the country is A-Okay.



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post Dec 2 2009, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Dec 2 2009, 10:16 PM)
the best political system in general for asian countries is a single party system.... good models are like china and singapore... capitalism is not a part of the political system to a certain extent... the economy is free but at the same time restricted... that would be the best

communism? for politics yes, for the economy.. no
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To be exact, the communism theory is not even completed to the point to have an idea of how it'll effect economy. Every single country that claims to be communist are all pseudo socialist states masking dictatorship at the top.
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post Dec 2 2009, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Dec 2 2009, 05:43 AM)
To be exact, the communism theory is not even completed to the point to have an idea of how it'll effect economy. Every single country that claims to be communist are all pseudo socialist states masking dictatorship at the top.
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true for sg... and also for north korea... but not china, the world's so call biggest communism...
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Dec 2 2009, 10:46 PM)
true for sg... and also for north korea... but not china, the world's so call biggest communism...
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Singapore claimed to be communist?

For China, its the same thing too really. Just that its not just one person making all the decisions, but its a group of people dictates everything in the country.
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if you're libertarian, you'll oppose communism. reason being communism promotes big government, which will infringe the individuals' liberty.
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post Dec 2 2009, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(quintessential @ Dec 2 2009, 11:13 PM)
if you're libertarian, you'll oppose communism. reason being communism promotes big government, which will infringe the individuals' liberty.
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exactly how does a big government infringe on the individual's liberty?
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post Dec 2 2009, 11:24 PM

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Read from Newsweek one. China's CCP party itself got 2 camp(Populist and Technocrat) so they pretty much practice intra-party democracy which maintain single party control but still got healthy competition. Either side can't afford to mess up or kena makan by other side. Their president(President Hu from the Technocrat) and premier(Premier Wen Jiabao from the Populist) came and represent from both of the side.

So, feel those people that insult China government of dictatorship are tools/retard.

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QUOTE(JunWisewar @ Dec 2 2009, 10:06 PM)

IMO, human nature failed the Communism, not the ideology.
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Yes. Not one single country ever followed the ideology of communism to the letter. At some point human greed and corruption set in, then it backfired gao gao.

I think communism is a very good idea. But not for humanity.
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post Dec 3 2009, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Dec 2 2009, 06:06 AM)
Singapore claimed to be communist?

For China, its the same thing too really. Just that its not just one person making all the decisions, but its a group of people dictates everything in the country.
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they dont claim... it is understood

a group of ppl.. isnt it the same for singapore? the group of people vote among themselves.. so it is kind of a republic... and hence the name people's republic

in american it is the same... just between two parties... so it is still a group of ppl

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