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Quick note before we begin:
There was another thread on this issue previously, it was started by manami but it got shut down by frags because the discussion started going into topics relating to "the new world order" and other topics relating to how "the elite are trying to impose controls on people", where these topics were deemed as conspiracy theories by frags.
I'm not saying that I agree that those topics are conspiracy theories nor am I saying that they aren't conspiracy theories, but for the purposes of this thread let's try to maintain some level-headedness and stay on topic with the issues and consequences surrounding climategate. Also if or when the discussion about Carbon Taxes or Carbon Credits arise, it would again be prudent to discuss any positive or negative issues surrounding them without invoking spin-off discussions such as a global movement by those with power to impose controls over people and industry. Doing so will bring about protracted discussions on the validity of such statements and pose a risk of derailing this topic.
So we begin.
There was another thread on this issue previously, it was started by manami but it got shut down by frags because the discussion started going into topics relating to "the new world order" and other topics relating to how "the elite are trying to impose controls on people", where these topics were deemed as conspiracy theories by frags.
I'm not saying that I agree that those topics are conspiracy theories nor am I saying that they aren't conspiracy theories, but for the purposes of this thread let's try to maintain some level-headedness and stay on topic with the issues and consequences surrounding climategate. Also if or when the discussion about Carbon Taxes or Carbon Credits arise, it would again be prudent to discuss any positive or negative issues surrounding them without invoking spin-off discussions such as a global movement by those with power to impose controls over people and industry. Doing so will bring about protracted discussions on the validity of such statements and pose a risk of derailing this topic.
So we begin.
What is Climategate?
Climategate is the latest in the series of global scandals with the suffix -gate. This time, the scandal arose when "hackers" allegedly hacked into the servers of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia in the United Kingdom.
The hackers downloaded thousands of emails and some documents. (Note: Wikipedia claims that there were 160MB of data downloaded, but from what I know personally, there was only 61.9MB of data... I know because I downloaded it, but I don't know if what I have is complete)
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climategate
The Documents
You can download a copy of the leaked documents if you wish from here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=75J4XO4T
I haven't read any of it personally, I have just read snippets of it from news websites.
Why is it a Scandal?
It is apparent from the leaked documents and e-mails that some data were intentionally deleted while some processed data were skewed in favour of the supporters of Anthropogenic Climate Change (climate change due to human activity) thus discrediting other non-Anthropogenic Climate Change.
Why is This Important?
The Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia is one of the high profile institutions at the core of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which itself is an organisation under the United Nations (UN).
From the leaked emails, it is found that some of the correspondents were high profile members within the IPCC and have been in the past, very influential in the final report that the IPCC issues to the UN, governments and other institutions worldwide.
Any act of fraud or doctored data and reports from this small group of highly trusted people will have vast consequences worldwide on global economic policies, national policies and even foreign relations worldwide.
To kick off the discussions, let me quote some text from
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columni...generation.html
*I realised that I've quoted large chunks of the actual article, it's better if you read the original article in its entirety first and then use the quoted sections below as references and talking points.
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The reason why even the Guardian's George Monbiot has expressed total shock and dismay at the picture revealed by the documents is that their authors are not just any old bunch of academics. Their importance cannot be overestimated, What we are looking at here is the small group of scientists who have for years been more influential in driving the worldwide alarm over global warming than any others, not least through the role they play at the heart of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
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Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports. Through its link to the Hadley Centre, part of the UK Met Office, which selects most of the IPCC's key scientific contributors, his global temperature record is the most important of the four sets of temperature data on which the IPCC and governments rely – not least for their predictions that the world will warm to catastrophic levels unless trillions of dollars are spent to avert it.
Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head by showing that, after 1,000 years of decline, global temperatures have recently shot up to their highest level in recorded history.
Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head by showing that, after 1,000 years of decline, global temperatures have recently shot up to their highest level in recorded history.
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Since 2003, however, when the statistical methods used to create the "hockey stick" were first exposed as fundamentally flawed by an expert Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre , an increasingly heated battle has been raging between Mann's supporters, calling themselves "the Hockey Team", and McIntyre and his own allies, as they have ever more devastatingly called into question the entire statistical basis on which the IPCC and CRU construct their case.
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The senders and recipients of the leaked CRU emails constitute a cast list of the IPCC's scientific elite, including not just the "Hockey Team", such as Dr Mann himself, Dr Jones and his CRU colleague Keith Briffa, but Ben Santer, responsible for a highly controversial rewriting of key passages in the IPCC's 1995 report; Kevin Trenberth, who similarly controversially pushed the IPCC into scaremongering over hurricane activity; and Gavin Schmidt, right-hand man to Al Gore's ally Dr James Hansen, whose own GISS record of surface temperature data is second in importance only to that of the CRU itself.
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This in itself has become a major scandal, not least Dr Jones's refusal to release the basic data from which the CRU derives its hugely influential temperature record, which culminated last summer in his startling claim that much of the data from all over the world had simply got "lost". Most incriminating of all are the emails in which scientists are advised to delete large chunks of data, which, when this is done after receipt of a freedom of information request, is a criminal offence.
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In each of these countries (Australia and New Zealand) it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based. In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played – to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising. And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU.
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The third shocking revelation of these documents is the ruthless way in which these academics have been determined to silence any expert questioning of the findings they have arrived at by such dubious methods – not just by refusing to disclose their basic data but by discrediting and freezing out any scientific journal which dares to publish their critics' work. It seems they are prepared to stop at nothing to stifle scientific debate in this way, not least by ensuring that no dissenting research should find its way into the pages of IPCC reports.
This post has been edited by DeniseLau: Dec 2 2009, 01:26 AM
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