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post Dec 9 2009, 05:29 AM

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It was similar to that of his dribble against Ivanovic in that Chelsea game. He ran out of space that time, but this time he had plenty. biggrin.gif


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post Dec 9 2009, 05:42 AM

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Owen just need to 2 more goals to catch up to Carlos Tevez' tally of last season for us minus the League Cup goals.


Added on December 9, 2009, 5:44 amAnd he didn't cost a thing, other than paying wages and some fee to him/his agent.
And how much did Obertan cost again? 3m?

So, we were without our whole backline plus the covers there apart from Evra. No Rooney, Berbatov, VDS and Giggs rested, yet we still won? biggrin.gif

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post Dec 9 2009, 06:00 AM

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Cristiano Ronaldo: 12 games, 14 goals.
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post Dec 9 2009, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Dec 9 2009, 10:41 AM)
Wolfsburg goal by Dzeko highlighted that aerial threat is always going to be our problem. Dzeko was unmarked. i'm not asking much as i was much delighted as u guys are but i can't seem to shake off the concern of facing Aston Villa. I'm confident though we will win against Aston villa but the concern is always there seeing the physical threat posed by Carew, Heskey, dunne.
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With or without our regular CBs, it would still be a problem, although obviously without them we'll be tested far more than we have so far in the previous two games. I thought the game was fairly comfortable. You would think with us having only Evra back there as the recognized defender, they would bombard us with aerial balls and attack our defenders constantly, but that didn't happen, except a few times in the 2nd half which resulted in them getting that goal.

QUOTE(rayz1031 @ Dec 9 2009, 10:52 AM)
Obertan > That Kid, nuff said. I personally think that Obertan deserve much more starting 11 compared to Wellback. His contribution to the game is simple awesome.

Sol Campbell to OT? I LOL'ed.
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It doesn't matter if he deserve to start more than the others. Evans propbably deserve to start more than half of our wingers, but usually he doesn't whenever Rio and Vida is fit. It's all about whatever the positions they play and the tactics etc. We started with two strikers. Berba and Rooney left behind, Macheda injured, what's left is Owen and Welbeck. No place for Obotak there, no matter how impressive he's been. 2nd thing is that we play with a back 3, so the wingers needed to be disciplined to track back the wingers. Park being better defensively, of course he starts. Obotak's direct competition on the night is between Nani who need the games, while Valencia is our safety net laying around. Nani being the more experienced and senior player was preferred, plus Obotak's defensively ain't that good. Doesn't track back much.


Added on December 9, 2009, 6:41 pmHmm, now Liverpool want to go through the back door, [b]again[/], because CSKA doping charges?

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post Dec 9 2009, 07:18 PM

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post Dec 9 2009, 08:01 PM

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post Dec 9 2009, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Dec 9 2009, 07:53 PM)
Owen, was once one of the best young strikers in England until he's injury struck him. Then Benitez decided to let him go to Real, while at Real, chances were limited due to the Raul and other so called more qualified strikers. But everytime Owen played, he earned rave review, even scoring more than he appeared. soon after he moved to The Toon Army, and even there, his injury was just bugging him. Most of the clubs in England didnt think a veteran poacher would be able to bag in the goals like before. But as always, SAF found a gem in the rough. Well. actually a dusty gem  =)

Nevertheless, every since Owen scored a hat trick against Man city in the 02/03 season (mind you the keeper was our great Peter S), i've always like him. Unfortunately he played for Liverpool back then. But now, I'm just glad he's playing for us, and grateful enough to watch him thrash Wolfsburg. He's got speed alrite, even though not as fast as before. but he sure still remain one hell of striker..

Obertan was another one that was constantly injured and was overlooked by many. He was once, like Owen, one of the most courted youngsters and one of the brightest prospects. Sad enough, injury plagued him as well.
Nevertheless, obi-tan is playing for us now.

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It was Owen who wanted to leave I think. The season he left to join Real Madrid in pursuit of success, Liverpool won the CL! That's why they hated him even before his move to us.

QUOTE(ReAcTiVo @ Dec 9 2009, 08:05 PM)
one thing bout last nite.. why evra captained us? not scholes? park? flethcer?
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Scholes doesn't want it. Fletcher is younger than Evra. Owen is still new. Carrick is the same age, but Evra got here 6 months earlier.

He was fantastic last night. Playing both as a LB and CB at the same time. I love that little guy, and I'm sure everyone else feel the same way.
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post Dec 9 2009, 09:47 PM

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At this rate, and the way Nani have been playing, if this keeps on, Nani won't have a future here.
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A goal every 106 minutes.
Not bad for a free transfer. A has been at that. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 9 2009, 09:57 PM

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They said we were a one man team with Ronaldo on. Our main goal getter. Now he's gone, we're still scoring goals. And last night, two of our main strikers, both costing 30m each, didn't travel with the squad to Germany. Giggs didn't either right? And he's been our main creative force this season, as has been since he broke through as a teenager. We started with a kid upfront, alongside an old man who could break down anytime in Owen, only Evra as the recognized defender at the back, no VDS in goal and someone like Gibson in the middle of the park, alongside the regulars, yet we still won, quite comfortably given the circumstances with our defence.

Kuszczak around = 2-3m.
Evra, Park = 5m
Nani, Ando, Carrick = 15-20m each
Fletcher, Scholes, Gibson, Welbeck, Owen = Free


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post Dec 9 2009, 10:18 PM

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What's up with VDS? I thought Phelan said he would be back against West Ham?


Added on December 9, 2009, 10:23 pm"You take who you get and you have to trust the quality of your own players and the experience they’ve gathered over the years. They’re young but they’re a good team."
- SAF

Some of us don't feel the same way sadly.

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Dec 11 2009, 04:09 AM)
Obertan is no Ronaldo for sure, and he himself have said that he is Gabriel Obertan, NOT Cristiano Ronaldo..

As much as we want him to be as good as Ronaldo, we all know we're just kidding ourselves, Obi will be a great player for us, but i doubt he'll ever be as good as Ronnie, Ronnie was more of a flying forward, Obi on the other hand, more like a Luis Figo kind of player, creates chances, entertains the crowd with his plays, but definitely not as lethal as Ronnie..

As much as we want to say Ronnie was never the one man that carried us two seasons back, he did. Look at him now at Real, 14 goals in !2 matches. That has to proved something, he must be doing something right with that kind of stats, remember the 50 plus goal season for us?
He has proven his class from time to time, as far as I know, noone can quite fire a free kick like Ronnie.

I'm not much of a Ronnie fan due to some of his selfish plays and arrogant remarks, but i have to admit, he is undoubtedly one of the class acts of his generation. Not many can do what he does, the only advantage Leo Messi has over Ronnie is that Leo is a team player, while our departed Ronnie, is more of a selfish one.

Obi however, he will blend into the team, he's keen to show the world ; Just like Owen, that he is a force to be reckon with, despite the injury setbacks.

Our team, has proven from time to time, We never rely on one player to bring us to glory, (except Ronnie's remarkable 50 goal season) , every player works hard, and every player wants to prove that they're worth being in the starting 11, and even if they're not, they build up the fiery will to play from the bench, thats the kind of players SAF brings to the team..

When a player no longer has the team spirit, he's allowed to leave Old Trafford. That's the philosophy SAF brings to the table.
Perfect Example(SAF, b4 coming to Old Trafford, brought Aberdeen up to destroy the Celtic-Rangers domination of the Scottish Leagues)

Nevertheless, every player on our team, are class acts, whether shining heros, or silent unsung heroes like Carrick,Scholesy and Fletch

notworthy.gif Glory Glory Man Utd  notworthy.gif
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Obertan may not be another Ronaldo, ever, but our team doesn't need another Ronaldo. Obertan being the way he is is far more important for us right now. A team player, and effective to boot. Keep playing the way he has been, it won't be long before he takes over from Giggsy.

As for Ronaldo's remarkable goals bringing us to glory, it's true in a way, but it was also because of our rock solid defence, the dependable VDS guarding the goal, the reliable midfield guarding them and becoming a launch pad for the likes of Rooney, Berbatov and Ronaldo to do damage. This season is proof that we're not reliant on Ronaldo and his goals, because we've been banging them in more compared to his last season.


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QUOTE(sHsIkuA @ Dec 11 2009, 09:28 AM)
I think so too, not because purely of prejudice. IMHO Barca have a very strong team to let Messi enjoy his style of football and I don't think he is that effective when putting him in other teams. Ronaldo OTOH, he will be the MAN to watch in whatever team he is, Lisbon, United or Real Madrid. He has that extra little edge over Messi and also possess a superior header + free kick skills. However, I will pick Rooney over both anyday  tongue.gif
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Why not have both? For me, although it feels like Ronaldo is still one of us, but Messi gets my pick if I have to choose between the two. He can score goals, and also creates lots of them. Ronaldo right now is a battering ram, although to be fair, a really good one. He has a great start so far in his career there goals wise, but then the likes of Kanoute, Morientes, Forlan, Ruud etc have all done well over there.. Hasselbaink was once top scorer in that league. It's not a hard league to score in.


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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Dec 11 2009, 12:19 PM)
For Villa game, i tink my line up will be

Fletcher.Carrick.Vidic.Evra
Valencia.Gibson.Anderson.Nani
Rooney.Berbatov

Would love to see the combination of Rooney and Berbatov in town. Nani to be given another chance if he can actually cross the ball instead of Ronaldo-ing.
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With the form Nani is showing right now(playing without a brain), I rather go with Giggsy any time. As for the argument that Giggsy is useless in the big games, just think for one moment why that happens. It's usually tighter in the big gmaes because of the quality of the oppositions, plus they might put a mark or two on him, so that's why he's quiet. Same can be said of the Ronaldo we had last time, Ruud etc. But I would play him rather than go for someone who's clearly off form.

QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Dec 11 2009, 01:10 PM)
he's not really all about goals.. he can be a team player when he wants to, but after someone outscored him u know what will happen next laugh.gif

forgot to mention this, he was more of team player during the 42 goals season.. instead of dribbling all the way to score/assist the others, he using his team mate more to get in the end of things.. that's why he scored that much

messi also once was criticized for playing for messi fc but after he balanced everything, he scored 3X goals last season

there is no one man team, but maybe there is two men team laugh.gif
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He was a fantastic team player in 06/07. The WC incident with Rooney, and the whole me against the world(abuse he gets in away grounds) really help things. He got around 20+ assists that season I think, along with scoring the same number of goals. 07/08 he was less entertaining.. this is when he became a goal scoring monster, an effective one. 08/09 he forgot how to dribble completely(he can still do it, but he wasn't as effective at it compared to previous seasons) and in his head it's all about him getting into the box and scoring. He's a team player outside of the box, keeping it simple, playing those short passes to teammates etc, but he's more of a goalscorer now rather than and out and out winger who's job is to provide goals, rather than scoring them consistently.
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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Dec 11 2009, 05:59 PM)
Far most, what i can see from Nani is that he wants to perform very very badly. He's desperate for a goal to let us know that he really is united material. Obviously, a cross to assist Owen is not going to impress us, so he goes for the try-to-score-myself tactic. If Sir Alex Ferguson can work his magic and plant back Nani's brain into his head, I'm more than willing to give Nani another chance..
I dont mind having a goal-scoring monster in the team  rclxms.gif
edit: Valencia has already take up shooting, i'm utmost sure that in 2 season time, he will be another goal-scoring winger
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Like one of the youtube vids of SAF shouting at Nani, pass the word-ing ball. It's not that hard to do. It's what brought Ronaldo on to another level altogether in 06/07. For some reason Nani is playing like there's nobody instructing him to pass the ball.

Rooney is turning into one. We need to help him achieve that. Having Ronaldo doesn't help, unless it's the 06/07 version. Watching last season, I prefer this one much2 better. I rather have someone who would be able to create chances for our strikers to score, while also getting his fair share of goals(10-25 goals from the wing spot would be a very good return). Leave the bulk of scoring goals to the strikers, and help them achieve that.

I doubt Valencia will come close to what Ronaldo achieved, goal scoring wise. 15-20 goals would be a great achievement for a winger. Anything more, he's one of the world's greats.
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Having seen what Larsson had done here, and now Owen, also seeing VDS, Giggsy and Scholesy still turning it on despite their old age, I would have no problem having Sol here, as long as his ability is still there. As a stop gap measure, why not. But seeing Blanc who never relied on his pace struggled in his time here, I have my doubts. But having another cheap option who wouldn't get in the way of anyone would be good, even by the time January comes, we would have most of them back. We're not exactly well stocked in reserve. Maybe next season those in the academy would break through into the reserve squad.. we bought a lot of young defenders this year.
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Not really a headache. He would just be a backup. We do have enough defenders, but unfortunately almost all of them are out now.
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There's nobody in reserve level right now good enough. All the good ones are around 16, and they're still in the academy haven't break through to the reserve yet.

We'll get him for free since he's out of club now. Wes being Wes, he'll break down now and then. Rio's back is a worry, and Evans was said to carry that ankle injury which needed surgery, but have been postponed for now. Gary is old, will pick up knocks here and there, and the twins are still growing so will get injured easily too. And we're left with only O'Shea, Vida and Evra who's dependable fitness wise.. plus De Laet. It wouldn't hurt to have a veteran defender around.
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If Owen who is only 29 is happy having to fight it out with Berba and Rooney knowing both of them are far more talented than him right now, then Sol would be more than happy to just be part of this club, given his age. Players at that age don't look to be a first teamer anymore, especially at top clubs. They know they are past their best and would be happy enough to still be involve. He even said so himself he would jump at the chance. Of course the club have come out and deny the story linking him with us.

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...5760869,00.html
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_5764133,00.html
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I hope the EPL telecast rights will stay with Astro forever. Or they can somehow collaborate with Telekom to use those fibre lines. I don't want to subscribe to two different provider just to enjoy watching stuff. Let's say TM wins the right in the future, we have to subscribe to Telekom to watch EPL games. While on the other hand those La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, CL games is still on Astro.. so we still keep paying Astro for the stuff.. not good for our pocket unless you are rich. On one hand we have the monopoly thing, high price, yada2... while on the other hand, it's easier to the end user to just have one option that have it all.

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