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 ACCA, ACA(ICAEW) or CFA?, Indecisive, hoping someone 2 help me out

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cyclonova
post Nov 20 2009, 10:50 PM

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I say this as someone who was exactly in the same shoes as the TS about 2 years ago.

For a UK university accounting graduate, the most natural route is to apply to a Big 4 firm under its Graduate Scheme. By doing so, you would have to do ICAEW's ACA or ICAS's CA (both are equally prestigious qualifications). Typically they wouldn't make you do the ACCA.

It is true that the ACA is engineered in a way to groom public accountants, but if you look at its structure it has a paper which focuses on Business & Finance and another one on Business Strategy; as well as a Case Study paper at the end which is based on a business scenario.

My advice would be to go for a summer internship at the Big 4, do your best and if you get the job, do take it because the amount of focus they put on the training and support for your ACA studies is immense.
cyclonova
post Nov 24 2009, 06:54 AM

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QUOTE(Chuanmok @ Nov 22 2009, 08:19 PM)
All employers in the UK really expect student to have work experience before graduation. I was like.. what the heck? They really think that 4-year-course(2 year+1year placement+ final year) is better than (3 years studying and 1 year real work experience). But 1 thing for real is, placement in UK has no difference compared to real job. You will be given same workload, same responsibilities and you will be given real project to do.
And you said if you have a degree, ACCA will be the very last choice? What is your first choice then?

Does anyone know about PSW(Post-Study work)? I'm thinking whether I should apply this visa which allows me to stay in the UK after graduation for 2 years. In my opinion, working 2 years in UK can earn alot of $$, but after 2 years when i return to malaysia I have to start from 0 again. If the 2 years were spent in malaysia, I might be promoted already. It might depends on the situation.. If they still want you after 2 years they will apply visa for you, but this rarely happens as far as i know.
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After going through all your posts, my advice would be this:

- Don't do the 1 year placement

- Instead, try for a summer internship (application window should be open now). The interview and assessment process is far less rigorous than for a graduate position within the same company. The internship would typically be 8 weeks during your summer vacation (usually July-August). Perform well over the course of the internship and ace the interview at the end of it and you're guaranteed a graduate position right after you graduate! All you need to worry about is your academics in your third year.

Also, as an accounting grad it would be best for you to hone your skills in a Big4 firm as the client experience (soft skills) that you will get in the UK is invaluable. And you would be one of the lucky ones to be able to experience the tremendous support and training that the big4 in UK will provide. You can use time with the firm to decide what sort of client base you would like to have, which can help you determine the type of industry you could potentially specialise in in the future.

This post has been edited by cyclonova: Nov 24 2009, 07:19 AM
cyclonova
post Nov 24 2009, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Chuanmok @ Nov 24 2009, 08:34 AM)
Cyclonova, after reading your advice I can tell you that you are 100% right as big companies including IBM, rolls royce etc in UK really provide very good support and guidance. You even assigned to a mentor(supervisor or manager) who will take care of you and guide you through the internship. The experience you get during the internship is really valuable. But.. the problem is.. it's hard to get one. 1 internship/placement application comprises of not less than 4 essays. My girlfriend put in alot of time on the application process(3-5 hours each) and the next day she got rejected due to not having a driving license.  So I've made up my mind not to waste my time to get an internship in UK and i'll apply intern in M'sia instead. But in m'sia, interns/placement = do general work like photoshat, mix tea, do this do that, not learning anything. My friend experienced it and i believe that is happening in m'sia.
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An internship with the Big4 in the UK usually comprises of the following application steps:

1) Online application form
2) Online numerical/verbal reasoning test
3) Assessment centre (group discussion, report-writing)
4) Senior manager / partner interview

Personally I went through all of the above and still managed to juggle it with my studies simultaneously - along with many others before me. So it's not as hard as it sounds. As long as you do your research and keep your commercial awareness up-to-date you should be fine. You do not have to spend 5 hours a day on preparing for applications. What you have to do is:

- Enhance commercial awareness (be aware of the news in the marketplace, and how your employer firm is involved in the market)
- Do research on the firm you are being interviewed with (newspaper, internet, firm website, annual report are good sources of info)
- Practise online tests

Also, you do not need to apply for a work permit for an 2-month internship position. If you get a graduate position with the firm should you do well over the course of your internship and ace the final interview, your visa (Tier 2 General Migrant) fees will be sponsored by the firm via a Certificate of Sponsorship.
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post Nov 28 2009, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(Chuanmok @ Nov 26 2009, 08:51 PM)
Cyclonova, can I know which year did you do your internship in the UK and with what company with what pose? I'm just curios maybe want to trt the one you've tried before =)
Thanks for your advice i'll bear them in mind and will follow them, if i fail to get one then you have to get me one ( haha.. just joking)

Yesterday after lectures I walked around the building(university) and I accidentally found that my university is promoting a diploma called AAT(Association of Accounting Technicians). Without putting time to read in details, I went home just like normal. On my way home, I feel like something I just missed out(I saw that on ICAEW website) and that might be the opportunity to enhance my qualification and to help me with my future career. So I googled it and I found that this AAT is actually the route to ACA. They call it AAT-ACA route. I was very excited when I saw that i'll get more exemption(apart from my degree). So I need to ask some of you who know about AAT and i wonder it is adviceable to take it together with my degree. This is because someone claimed that it is not really benificial to me since i'm doing accounting and finance degree.
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I was working in EY London in the summer of 2008 (July-August) within Assurance. PM me if you want.

As for the AAT, consider how much time you need to take to study it. In the UK, the most natural route for grads is to graduate with a degree (some even with non accounting-related ones) and do the ACA thereafter. You sound a bit reluctant to go straight into the ACA after graduation. Trust me, many people before you and before me have done it so it's not impossible. Everything requires a bit of effort, really.



 

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