Just another note to inform that still need some wire at the back for power to the speaker and wireless receiver. Not forgetting need a power point/socket at the back at convenient place.

no problem if u totally dun wan wire. even behind ur bad.

Then ur limit is only sound bar..

Good news for those of you considering this. In TheStar today, Desa Home Theater advertised the YSP3000 and YSP4000 at RM1.8k and RM2.8k respectively

The one I saw was 50% off Purchase with Purchase of LCD for the YSP... Can get just the unit alone without buying TV?

This post has been edited by scsoo: Mar 19 2010, 11:25 AM

Hi,

Here's my unsolicited opinions on soundbars and one speaker solutions to multichannel use..

Coming frm a veteran HT user.. soundbars wif their mulitple drivers wif electronicaly dsp'd sound is best in a 4 walled room and no matter how gud it may sound will never beat a true 5.1 system..
Nevertheless wif its minimal fuss n WAF factor, this product does have its merits..

D

I just bought the puny lil Philips soundbar with wireless subwoofer. Damn nice for only rm1299. Got audio input n DVD upscaling player too. I wanted a small simple n wireless system for living room, with decent sound n it meets all my requirements at a super duper cheap price.


I'm using the Philips soundbar with wireless sub n it doesn't interfere with my PS3 at all.

This post has been edited by ianho: Mar 19 2010, 03:46 PM

Oh, you mean the advert is a "purchase with purchase" scheme? If so, my bad I din really read the advert in full detail

I am a YSP-3000 user. Just want to share some of my non-professional & layman experience with the kakis here.

My initial setup is just the soundbar without a subwoofer. The room is very small maybe just 3m x 3m. Sofa set against the wall (a bad choice but no other options). There are 4 solid walls and one side of the wall with curtain. The soundbar is set above the TV on a tv-cabinet. The placement is not in the center as suggested in the user manual.

The experience with movie – the details and clarity are better than my previous cheapo 5.1 systems (Hyundai made in china stuff). I can hear the crisp and details at the front stage but the rear surround is really none. Only can listen to side surround. Low bass is always inadequate. With the previous 5.1 systems, I can clearly hear the cracking of ice from the rear in Ice Age (the intro) DVD but I can’t find that in the soundbar.

So I add a Mordaunt Short Alumni 9 subwoofer. The bass improved and it is really like in the theatre ‘boom boom pow’. Even just at 40db. Still it will not improve the rear surround.

The experience with music – again the details, clarity, mid are good with the soundbar but surely it can’t be compared with a 2.0 stereo hifi system (those with separate amplifier, cd player and speakers). But the soundbar is better than the mini or midi-Hifi from the typical electronic brands like Soxy / Philxps

So my humble opinion is when u are truly looking for surround sound go for 5.1 speakers even the wires are giving u a mess. And if you can give up the rear surround go for a soundbar for a neat and easy installation. If you don't listen to music too much forget what others say about the hifi system. The hifi system is totally different route. If movie is your stuff, a soundbar / mid range 5.1 speakers will give you all the thrills and excitement.

If you do listen to music most of the time at home and music is your life, then you should go for high-end to mid range speakers audition with dedicated cd player and amplifier. It is another totally different experience. I listen to my friend’s $50,000 setup and really got hooked but I couldn't afford that set up. And when I compared that to my soundbar I regretted so much that I’ve listened to his hifi. Reason being, it will make me noticed the flaw of the soundbar in playing the same CD.

A lot of ppl go for soundbar coz interior design is more important than outright sound quality. For me, I just want reasonable sound that doesn't mess up my living room. I HATE wires. As long as TV big, sound big, nice clean wireless room, kautim. Hehe

Good to hear from a fellow YSP user here, and in a small room it could be earth-shaking if the enviroment is suitable.

Just curious if there is a solid back wall (ie no curtain and with good reflective surface) directly behind the listening position, if not.. then there is your answer to the weak surround. The other option is to turn up the surround manually, as the YPAO normally set the surround to weak. Maybe the side wall with the curtain also hampering the reflection of the surround back to the listening position. I think the manual teaches on the surround adjustment, so go on a trial and error session.

The YSP need the support of a subwoofer or else really no earth-shaking bass. It handle the high and mid well but a let down at Bass. You need a sub that can go up to 150Hz as anything below it does not sound correct with the YSP.

The YSP is marketed as compliment to TV, to support HT experience, therefore stereo music is not its forte. I believe its play quite loud for its size, I seldom hear people need to push the YSP volume pass 50. Curious if anyone can stand it max volume.

Lastly, I would suggest better aftermarket cable but those non-believer, I would sound like a hypocrite. The supplied cable does indeed do the job, but with "enhance" cable it does have "marked" improvement.

Soundbar is an alternative, its still a compromise and even Yamaha mentioned that its a lifestyle thingy. To those that can afford it, can have all the wiring, can settle the logistic issue, I would suggest a proper system. But for certain peasant like us, with HM nagging, space contraint, must look nice, in-law friendly, children friendly and the list go on and on and on.. we "compromised". If I have all the money in the world....

I have to agree with scsoo, i think we are in the same wavelenght

About the back wall, yes it is solid without curtain but the sofa is set against on the backwall. So there is no favourable position for the sound to bounce on the backwall to the prime listening area. As suggested in the user manual the prime listening area should be at least 1 meter from the backwall. Yes, the auto beam adjustment isnt too accurate. U have enlighted me to try for manual adjustment. it is time to do it. Because I am so lazy for the trial and error and it requires quite a lot of time. I will do it this weekends and post the results here for the soundbar kaki.



This post has been edited by egoiste.rm: Mar 29 2010, 10:48 PM

Then no choice, you need to live with side surround.. you can actually tune the direction of the sound beam and also the length of travel. Also the volume per channel, suggest increase the db for rear to max of +10. You still need to trial and error as no room is the same. Items in the room may deflect or absorb the sound and therefore you need to play with the setting until you get to a setting that maximise the current enviroment the YSP is in. As for me, I do setup late at night when the other half is asleep or else kenna complain why the YSP sound like its rosak with all those white noise.

Unless, you get professional from Yamaha to do it. Not sure the local Yamaha have this service and how much will they charge you for it. Lastly, you need to consider the location of the YSP whether it can give the best sound. I also moved mine around to test and tilt up and down a bit to get the sound direction up to ear level. I also upgraded all the interconnect and do not use the supplied item that came with the YSP.

You need to play with it and see what is the best for you.. Need to waste time on it, no other way around it unless you spent money to get other to do it on your behalf. Not so simple as plug and play....

I listened to a Philips Soundbar once at one electrical shop. It was on a L-shape but yet I could still hear the surround sound effects, especially directly on my left and right. The sound quality is of course not even as good as my RM1600 Pioneer HTIB system but the wireless subwoofer is rather tempting...

I've yet to test the Yamaha... Harvey Norman doesn't seem to have the new models here in Penang...

Ok I have adjusted the sound projection manually. There is much improvement on the Front Right and Right Rear Surround. However, the Left Rear Surround is still weak even the sound level is increased as suggested. The rear doesnt sound as if it is bouncing from the rear left. I need to do more tweaking on the angles.

My living room is really to small to move the soundbar. I am actually living in Hong Kong now.

I recently noticed that the Yamaha amp and soundbar are Made in Malaysia, proud that it is made in my homeland. The Monitor Audio Bronze range speaker also made in Malaysia. Any kaki have lubangs to get those stuff direct from the factory?

Hahaha.. u wan sale it at hong kong a???

I am making a guess that the curtain (covering glass window) is on your left , therefore the rear left is being absorb instead of being reflected. Another guess, there isn't a solid wall there to do the reflection or it too far to be reflected back.

I guessing that the room is those Hong Kong design urban living-room, with soft furnishing and angle wall. As such, there is certain compromise that need to be made. You just have to trial and error until satisfactory level, to the best you can do. If not, then get the Yamaha professional to do it. Think even more expensive in Hong Kong.

As mentioned, we go the soundbar way as its lifestyle purpose, so compromise need to be made. If we intend to do a proper one (no compromise) then is how thick the wallet for equipment cost and logistic purposes. Wires can be hidden at a cost and its the wallet bleeding accordingly.

no la so heavy how to bring back to hong kong for sale. Just want to see if really cheaper than in HK then i can consider for upgrade or a seperate system for music.

Yes, the left wall is giving me alot of problem. The window on the left wall is indend into the wall (the window is not flat with the left wall. It is indented in) hmmmm dunno how to explain oh yeah angle wall on the left only the rest is ok. Not too many furniture because i put above the tv so not much obstruction. If i put the bar below the tv then i can see a lot of obstruction. Wow cant afford to get professional to do la... I think will settle with weak rear left surround. But the rear right surround really a lot of different after the manual adjustment. Thank you so much for the advise

Yeah when i move back to malaysia I think i will do a proper wiring with all wire concealed. But this home theater and hifi thing is addictive. Upgrade and upgrade all the time

This post has been edited by egoiste.rm: Mar 31 2010, 04:06 PM

Hey mdmee,

Which Harvey Norman did you see the YHT-S400 in? I'm quite interested to get one.

thanks,

TheCodFather

I saw this at penang Queensbay...

Compromise for the mean time loh... at least got some sort of surround.. can still piling palang until heart content. Need to trial and error and see what is the best to your ears.

This Hifi and Home Theater very painful one to the wallet.. always bleed dry if upgrade too often.. so becareful of the poison....

This post has been edited by scsoo: Mar 31 2010, 02:21 PM