Ok so i woke up late for a planned pug raid so i lost my spot. I then made a Toc25 raid pug on my own and lead the entire raid.

We downed all the bosses except Anub in Toc25. In the raid i won by fair rolls tank boots, tank belt, 2 black smithing recipes and a trophy.

One of the off tanks Iworkforcake claims i wasn't being fair with the loot.... then says he won't ever join my pug again, wtf.

I notice one thing though during the entire raid including the first item drop. This guy was whining the entire time and saying how he deserved winning loot. At no point did i do anything like that guy, even though i spent the previous hours before my nap pugging other raids and not winning anything ._.;

So should i have given this guy my loot even though i won the rolls fair?

Sorry if this comes of as a narcistic post. I just wanted to share my story for peoples interest and also learn what the consensus is :/

So after a minute the Gm changes his mind and says the DK should pass back the trinket so he can give to the 1 of the 2 officers that left to the guild. The DK refused and left the guild. Then both officers rejoined...

Simple case, start hunting for another guild

Talking about unfair loot.

My guild raid 2 weeks ago. The death dps trinket dropped as well from twin valkry 25 toc.

The officers took 5 minutes literally to talk on ventrilo amongst trusted officers and certain individuals who would get it...

This despite one of our regular death knight dps who won the roll....

This DK joined like 1-2 months back. And every since his been jewed out of a dps ring, and a 2handed weapon twice. And the sad part, the person who got the weapon over him was an officer who didn't win the roll; and the following week when in toc25 a better 2hander weapon drop, that same person won the weapon again even though he didn't win the roll either. The dk won the roll all 3 instances.

So after much of the guildys in raid complained saying should give to the DK who won the roll fair and square. Finally our GM gave it to the DK at which point 2 officers left the guild. Both of them wanted the trinket for themselves apparently....

So after a minute the Gm changes his mind and says the DK should pass back the trinket so he can give to the 1 of the 2 officers that left to the guild. The DK refused and left the guild. Then both officers rejoined...
o_O;

I'm a famous 1 digit roller for /random roll 100 especially for Melee Weapons!!!

And I got a dam good winning record on ranged weps instead -____-

A nice off-hand dagger dropped yesterday on first boss.. I rolled a bloody 4.. fml! just me and another rogue in whole raid... QQ!

Then on 2nd boss a ranged wep dropped... no hunter so we get to roll for it... AND I WON IT WTF!! I should think on the bright side... at least I won something

Ok so i woke up late for a planned pug raid so i lost my spot. I then made a Toc25 raid pug on my own and lead the entire raid.

We downed all the bosses except Anub in Toc25. In the raid i won by fair rolls tank boots, tank belt, 2 black smithing recipes and a trophy.

One of the off tanks Iworkforcake claims i wasn't being fair with the loot.... then says he won't ever join my pug again, wtf.

I notice one thing though during the entire raid including the first item drop. This guy was whining the entire time and saying how he deserved winning loot. At no point did i do anything like that guy, even though i spent the previous hours before my nap pugging other raids and not winning anything ._.;

So should i have given this guy my loot even though i won the rolls fair?

Sorry if this comes of as a narcistic post. I just wanted to share my story for peoples interest and also learn what the consensus is :/

Talking about unfair loot.

My guild raid 2 weeks ago. The death dps trinket dropped as well from twin valkry 25 toc.

The officers took 5 minutes literally to talk on ventrilo amongst trusted officers and certain individuals who would get it...

This despite one of our regular death knight dps who won the roll....

This DK joined like 1-2 months back. And every since his been jewed out of a dps ring, and a 2handed weapon twice. And the sad part, the person who got the weapon over him was an officer who didn't win the roll; and the following week when in toc25 a better 2hander weapon drop, that same person won the weapon again even though he didn't win the roll either. The dk won the roll all 3 instances.

So after much of the guildys in raid complained saying should give to the DK who won the roll fair and square. Finally our GM gave it to the DK at which point 2 officers left the guild. Both of them wanted the trinket for themselves apparently....

So after a minute the Gm changes his mind and says the DK should pass back the trinket so he can give to the 1 of the 2 officers that left to the guild. The DK refused and left the guild. Then both officers rejoined...
o_O;

a guild that uses rolls for their main raid deserves to fail...
too much loot drama will end up breaking the guild...

Your conscience should be clear, he knew it was a free roll system before he joined the PUG. He has no rights to complain when lady luck pwned him.

Nowadays though, PUGs tend to adopt different roll systems, such a prior loot winner having less chance for later loot, etc.

I dunno about your server
But most pugs in my server run by "1 main spec, 1 tier piece loot per raid" rule, so that everyone gets a chance to win something.

nah - even DKP or wutever count system are still bound for serious guild drama's

its mostly up to leadership and communication, even a free roll system can work extremely well - as long as everyone understood the rules, and follow it

ever since the day of raids and guilds - drama like this always happens

at least we can be glad that WoW has improved alot since then - 10/25 man raid instead a humongeous 40 man, badge gear for raid-equal upgrades, and soon raid weekly quests!

For trophy i let people roll themselves. Yes sometimes i also do raid roll /roll 25  and the reason is same as yours, but for this instance i let people including myself have the satisfaction of rolling themselves if that helps them feel luckier on getting the winning roll...

The raid rules was mainspec priority, offspec if no mainspec wants. Everything was rolled for :/ just the basic system.
There was an instance where 2 cloth pieces with spirit spell power and haste dropped. I let the entire raid decide if dps classes can roll for it as well since i am not familiar with their classes. Anyway they decided that dps can roll for it so i let the dps class who won roll take loh I try not to decide these sort of judgemental calls all by myself, so later people don't place blame on me

The drop highlight of the day was the dps trinket Death something... a hunter won roll. He deserved it anyway since he pulled 7000dps on the Twin Valkry fight
Anyway back to the original topic. What bothered me was, he got his priest friend to try to make me feel bad so i would cave into that tank's demand. Said i was a good at leading the raid but thought i wasn't being fair on loot :/ then claims i may not have many people wanting to go to my raids after this (which i seriously doubt by the way).
If i knew this cake fella better maybe i would have been kind enough to share even though he didn't win. But looking at his personality i thought otherwise... how would you think if that tank since from start of the first boss kill talks like he did? Doesn't sound nice does it.

The other tank was a friend of mine from my former guild. He never complained and in fact he was happy for me. I last time gave him a dps ring even though i won it :/ and he did the same for me before with some tank pieces. For him i wouldn't mind sharing But recently my old guild leader gave him the World Carver from Ignis even though i won the roll and both of us are mainspec tanks and offspec dps :/ So he sorta ninjad me, but not his fault.. lol...

A pug is a pug. Fair rules is perception.

Get over it Moogle. You can't please everyone no matter how fair you try to be.

Stop being a worrywart. WoW is a big game and even if it's only a server and one faction, it's too big to keep grudges. Just leave it be and move on.

Waste of precious time over a loser whining.

the 20+ people must be 14 year olds getting ready to go to school and their parents are screaming at them rite?

If you're relatively geared and the things you need only drops from Koralon, I doubt you will want to stay to kill Emalon and Archavon too just for the conquest badges.

Most people clear all of VoA because "oh well might as well do it since we're already here". If all three bosses are split in their own instances and lock outs, most wouldn't even bother with the older bosses.

I've got ninja-ed a couple of weeks ago, a black drake that drops from OS+3 10man.

Sent a ticket, got the drake the next day and the ninja didn't log in for almost 4 days. So I assumed he got a 3-day suspension lol.

If you're relatively geared and the things you need only drops from Koralon, I doubt you will want to stay to kill Emalon and Archavon too just for the conquest badges.

Most people clear all of VoA because "oh well might as well do it since we're already here". If all three bosses are split in their own instances and lock outs, most wouldn't even bother with the older bosses.

actually there is a purpose to kill emalon and arch aside from emblems...

it's called the 'grand war mammoth'

dropped two weeks in a row now, and also twice lost the rolls haha....

LOL

Ok so i woke up late for a planned pug raid so i lost my spot. I then made a Toc25 raid pug on my own and lead the entire raid.

We downed all the bosses except Anub in Toc25. In the raid i won by fair rolls tank boots, tank belt, 2 black smithing recipes and a trophy.

One of the off tanks Iworkforcake claims i wasn't being fair with the loot.... then says he won't ever join my pug again, wtf.

I notice one thing though during the entire raid including the first item drop. This guy was whining the entire time and saying how he deserved winning loot. At no point did i do anything like that guy, even though i spent the previous hours before my nap pugging other raids and not winning anything ._.;

So should i have given this guy my loot even though i won the rolls fair?

Sorry if this comes of as a narcistic post. I just wanted to share my story for peoples interest and also learn what the consensus is :/

lolwut?

Was refering to B@rt's post on Grand War Mammoth from VOA

The rare mammoth dropped in VOA 25 in my pug from Emalon. I let everybody roll ( i didn't win...*cry).

Hopefully now the doubters on my server will stfu

The rare mammoth dropped in VOA 25 in my pug from Emalon. I let everybody roll ( i didn't win...*cry).

Hopefully now the doubters on my server will stfu

Ok so i woke up late for a planned pug raid so i lost my spot. I then made a Toc25 raid pug on my own and lead the entire raid.

We downed all the bosses except Anub in Toc25. In the raid i won by fair rolls tank boots, tank belt, 2 black smithing recipes and a trophy.

One of the off tanks Iworkforcake claims i wasn't being fair with the loot.... then says he won't ever join my pug again, wtf.

I notice one thing though during the entire raid including the first item drop. This guy was whining the entire time and saying how he deserved winning loot. At no point did i do anything like that guy, even though i spent the previous hours before my nap pugging other raids and not winning anything ._.;

So should i have given this guy my loot even though i won the rolls fair?

Sorry if this comes of as a narcistic post. I just wanted to share my story for peoples interest and also learn what the consensus is :/

well kolorgan is quite simple and the katlady just ask them to stack at the right conner in the litte room to the right of the right staris the cats cant charge there, then just go kick hodir in his frozen nut sack and call the raid