The box and manual book got write support ATI CrossFireX but no write can support nvidia SLI. I ask this question because I am using ASUS NVIDIA GeFORCE 9500GT TOP.

nope. u thinking on SLing 9500GT?? not worth at all.

CF ok what. get single 5 series ati card rather than SLi 2x9500GT.

HDMI and DVI on graphic card got diff in video ah?

Bandwidth 10.2 Gbit/s (340 MHz) HDMI

Bandwidth (Single Link) 3.96 Gbit/s DVI
(Dual Link) 7.92 Gbit/s

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Definiti...media_Interface

This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 24 2009, 03:47 PM

HDMI signal include digital sound
so the maximum number is bigger

o ic termasuk sound la. Tnx ktek.

Asus P6T SE supports CF only.
The slightly more expensive Asus P6T can support both CF & SLI.

It there anyway to enable SLI. Eg Add hardware.

This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 24 2009, 12:31 PM

why would you sli the 9500gt?better make it as a physx processor and get another more powerful graphic card

no just wan to know can sli the GTX2xx ma. haha


This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 24 2009, 12:39 PM

I wonder how a Geforce 9-Series SLI with Geforce GTX2-Series?
Correct me if I am wrong, isn't SLI/CF need to use the GPU of the same series?

In addition, your MOBO only allows CF. If you pay extra RM30, you can have SLI.

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Dec 24 2009, 12:41 PM

as far as i know,there's no add on hardware that can make that mobo support sli,plus why would you sli gt200 when gt300 is just about a month away?

i7 920 + 9500GT?
suggest change a new card instead of change mobo for sli

Not add-on, I mean the P6T(SLI/CF) instead of P6T SE(CF).
Just RM 30 more expensive than P6T SE.

no la I not so stupid sli Geforce 9-Series SLI with Geforce GTX2-Series. sure take out Geforce 9-Series la . Geforce GTX2-Series x2 If I kaya already haha.

Why did you buy X58 motherboard to pair it with 9500GT at first place?
I'm very sure you cannot even play games with decent graphic setting.

he already has the p6t se,that's why he's asking

P6T SE does not support SLI because it doesn't have the SLI chip. You should've checked for SLI support before you buy the motherboard. Either you switch to better Nvidia cards or go for ATI if you want to use multiple cards for upgrades.

I buy on 7/09 that time I noob on GC. the saleperson recommend me wan ma.

This Asus En9500GT TOP oc till 700Mhz.

Just now I saw on PC Zone pricelist got asus P6T SE can SLI only can't CF
Or may be typing error.

This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 24 2009, 03:06 PM

Huhu..to achieve ur target limit they're (salesperson) compressing it by Sacrifice ur GPU perfomance..Bad for u bro

Sell it off and hunt for better cards, yeah not worth it hoping so much into its

i found the thread about how to enable SLI on P45 chipset mobo which only support CF...
and the good news is no need to tweak the bios...
i think its also works on P55/X58 non SLI board...

check this article n this thread bro...

http://xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231383

This post has been edited by selfdz87: Dec 24 2009, 02:59 PM

Wah can hack then save money la (RM 30) .

This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 24 2009, 03:08 PM

ill update the reference link bro....
see my 1st post...
your board also in the list....

Tnx bro.

technically, all x58 mobo can support both CF and SLi.
it's up to the manufacturer to certify their board to nvidia for SLi.
that certification is the cost without any extra hardware.
that's why hackers have come up with a way to enable sli.
no hardware implemented actually.

gudlak with the tweaking.

not X58 board oni...
P35,P45,X38,X48,P55 and others intel chipset also can...
also the AMD chipset....

yup. you're right. it's mostly software based actually.
but i haven't try it though.

don't really care for CF or SLi.
more heat, more noise, more power consumption, and more cables to plugged in.

Still got empty PCIe alot ma. Soundcard or PCIe SSD or SLI, CFX gc haha. Soundcard usually use wat slot?

yeah...me also haven't try it yet...
dont have money to buy another GTX260+ card....


pci-e x1 for the sound card i think...

newer sound card uses pcie x1 slot.
old ones use pci.

This post has been edited by foxstertail: Dec 24 2009, 04:26 PM

i need clarify...
all X58 is ready for SLI and CF... but y some x58 mobo still cant SLI..
it is because of limitation of chipset..... to have SLI.. nf200 chipset must be there...

actually, X48, X38 is only can CF.. but y P45 also can CF.... because P45 running both slot @ x8 instead of x16...

is not

intel need to paid licensed for their acquire SLI...

If not kena saman 100M.

x58 does not need any nf200 chip for sli.
as i said, mobo manufacturers need to submit their design to nvidia for validation.
through this validation, SLi will be enabled to the mobo through some software and driver updates by nvidia.
the reason why certain x58 mobo does not support sli is simple;
-they didn't submit that board design for validation to keep costs down

as example;
-p6t deluxe have sli because asus acquired the validation for sli from nvidia.
-p6t se does not have sli because the did not submit the board design to nvidia for validation.

i don't quite understand what you're trying to say here.

but yes. the mobo manufacturers need to pay a licensing fee to nvidia for sli.
hence, the higher price.

This post has been edited by foxstertail: Dec 24 2009, 04:56 PM

They should give free licensing fee ma. Now ppl terbeli mobo like me terpaksa use ati liao lo (without hack). I wonder it is ati give free licensing fee to mobo manufacturers. They give free oso no rugi wan because ppl will buy more they card rite?

http://www.bit-tech.net/custompc/news/6044..._crossfire.html

yeah2...the licensing thing from Nvidia make the board more expensive.. .
now we users no need to worry anymore....
a CF non SLI mobo can be enable to SLI mode...
can save some money right??

see this article...
you will know what i mean...

http://xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30




the nf200 chipset is to enable SLI to run @ x16 each lane...
and without it SLI will run on @ x8 oni each lane...
correct me if im wrong....

This post has been edited by selfdz87: Dec 24 2009, 05:30 PM

if so, then how come boards withough the ability to sli can enable sli through hack?

here's another source.
http://guru3d.com/article/intel-x58-extrem...rboard-review/3

Do someone know how to HACK P55 with either X8/X8 or X16/X4 PCI-E to X16/X16 PCI-E?

This will be much more interesting than unlocking SLI or CF.

i think that cannot be done coz its hardware related...
nf200 chip will allow u to run @ X16/X16 each lane...
without it...its impossible to 'hack' i think...
P55 oni @ X8/X8 coz it dont have nf200 chip...
correct me if im wrong....
for now unlocking SLI function on non SLI board is good enough for me...
can save some money...

isn't that limitation physical,not software

That "SLI license" thingy is usually based on the BIOS.. The driver simply looks for the "SLI cookie" in the firmware, and activates SLI if found. The driver hack merely tries to bypass this check. Anyboard can use SLI as long as have dual PCIe slots, just requires the "appropriate" driver activation.

Anyway, some P55 boards can CrossFireX and SLI with x16/x16 lanes, using the NF200. For example: MSI Big Bang-Trinergy

Now that you mentioned it, there is a review for MSI Big Bang Trinergy.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3697

Looks good.

WOW!! P55 MOBO with X16/X16 PCI-E Lanes.
Hope can "hack" this ability to my own MOBO but it seems can't though.
My MOBO have physically 2 PCI-E X16 and 2 PCI-E X1 Lanes but once got 2 GPUs put in, it will become X8/X8 right?

Still, the bottlenecks created by X16/X16 vs X8/X8 is too less currently(future sure will have huge impact but now, NO). For my RIG to lose 5% for another HD5870, I can allow since I won't use it for a very long time. When got enough money, I will change to newer PC. Too much things to think already. Hope HD5870 will be very cheap after 1 or 2 years as well as those PSUs also goes very cheap too. LOL.

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Dec 25 2009, 01:51 AM

Yups, your motherboard still uses x8/x8 with 2 GPUs installed. The MSI Big Bang Trinergy motherboard goes around this limitation by employing NVIDIA's NF200 chipset into their design.

Another board that uses the NF200 is GigaByte GA-P55-UD7.

This post has been edited by lex: Dec 25 2009, 07:51 AM

sure the price are not so nice with nf200 chip on it....

Does P6T Deluxe got nf200 chip? Then if my P6T SE use SLI oso X8/X8?

LOL. Don't worry. All X58 MOBO(LGA 1366 i7 920) have X16/X16 PCI-E Lanes.
NF200 Chipset is very costly. P55 MOBO with NF200 built-in = MONEY BOOMER

NVIDIA's NF200 what use?

NF200 Chipset is for P55 to have X16/X16 PCI-E Lanes. So, they can perform like X58.
With P55 + NF200 + i7 860, it can beats X58 + i7 920.

oo ic X58 already got X16/X16 PCI-E Lanes wherest P55 need NF200 Chipset to get X16/X16 PCI-E Lanes

List_of_Intel_chipsets

Tie or win? Dual channel vs Triple channel

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Added on December 25, 2009, 5:29 pmI found something in wikipedia:

X58 board manufacturers can build SLI-compatible Intel chipset boards by submitting their designs to nVidia for validation. However, users wishing to run more than two Nvidia video cards in PCIe x16 will still need to purchase motherboards equipped with one or more nVidia nForce chipsets. It is still possible to run more than two video cards in an SLI-configuration at fewer PCIe lane widths.[2] The X58 chipset itself supports up to 36 PCI-Express 2.0 lanes, so it is possible to have two PCIe x16 slots and one PCIe x4 slot on the same motherboard

Intel_X58

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Added on December 25, 2009, 5:35 pmIntel X58 Block Diagram



This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 25 2009, 05:35 PM

Its a kind of "PCIe multiplier", in other words "creates" more PCIe lanes from existing ones.

This post has been edited by lex: Dec 26 2009, 02:39 AM

now I understand a litter bit la. anyway does X58 mobo need this chipset to get x16/x16?

This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 26 2009, 12:39 PM

Nopes, no need at all... The X58 chipset already have full 36 PCIe lanes, enough for full dual PCIe x16 slots plus another 4 PCIe lanes to spare..

This post has been edited by lex: Dec 26 2009, 12:16 PM

Then wikipedia write wrong ah?

They included the DMI link, which is another 4 PCIe lanes . Quote from Wikipedia: Intel X58.. Total PCIe lanes is: 36(X58 Northbridge) + 4(DMI) = 40.

This post has been edited by lex: Dec 26 2009, 12:55 PM

1. Can I ask about pc mon use single-link dvi vs hdmi? any dif?
2. High end GC in ATI use DDR5 wherest high end GC in Nvidia high in bit. Which 1 more important bit or ddr?
3. Old com like celeron 800mhz only can support 20GB hhd?

Video Quality/Image Quality, DVI and HDMI are the same.
HDMI allows you to output your Audio via the Screen Panel.

Transistors, Die Size, Bus Width and Bandwidth must also take counted too. Basically, GDDR version is connected to Bus Width and Bandwidth.
Nvidia and ATi have different building architectures. So, you can't compare them like that.

I don't know about the Celeron 0.8Ghz and 20GD HDD supports stuffs.

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Dec 26 2009, 02:28 PM

Same ah aiyo then got waste money la. mon with hdmi more expensive la. Somemore I brought a hdmi cable cause my LG mon oni com with vga n dvi cable only. Hdmi +Sound but my mon no bulit in speaker. Only got a 3.5mm audio jack at the back.
This is my 1st time use a com with gc. my old com only ve Integrated graphic. Dell Inspiron 1150 | Dell Optiplex GX100

This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 26 2009, 02:42 PM

The HDMI allows you to plug-in a Speaker to the Screen Panel to channel the Sound. So, it's not a waste to buy the HDMI Cable totally.
But HDMI Cable is not VITAL for you indeed.

If you're using DVI Cable, you can't plug-in the Speaker into the Screen Panel. Yet, you can just plug-in the speaker into the MOBO(sockets behind your Chassis). If you're using HDMI Cable, you can.

My rig pasang by technician. To enable sound over HDMI must plug the cable from S/PDIF output mobo to Gc. the technician oso not pasang for me.

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Added on December 27, 2009, 7:53 pm

P55 is Intel 1st northbridge which ve intergrated southbridge call Platform Controller Hub (PCH).

This post has been edited by wkkm007: Dec 27 2009, 07:59 PM