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post Oct 19 2009, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Oct 19 2009, 11:06 PM)
then he will say Sony Service sux...lol
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then this kinda seller can burn in hell haha..

i bought a grey unit before too 1200 only and it has fcusing problem too, after showing seller the pics, he agreed to change...but damn troublesome also la..say cannot scratches blah blah blah..my advise is dun buy third party lens...if want make sure non-grey one...


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post Oct 20 2009, 11:02 AM

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congrats braindead_fr3ak
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post Oct 20 2009, 11:25 AM

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mcline_007: what happened to pic 4?

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post Oct 20 2009, 11:30 AM

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looks over-smoothen to me (sorry should be pic 7)
personal preference here, i prefer lesser saturated pic wink.gif...
pic 4 is the best to me. u can max your DRO for pic 6 though
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post Oct 20 2009, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Oct 20 2009, 12:05 PM)
nope, u have to understand, it's actually harder for the metering AI to decide the exposure for 'darker (i hope No Racist issue here)' people... they usually will over expose a little to compasate it, thus you'll see photo a little brighter then usual just to able to see the constrast on the faces, thus also why, orang putih photo will always have nicer background due to faster shutter to compasate thier fair skin~  hence lower exposed background. even brown people will have slightly overexposed. thus where DRO comes in handy, but still, not enough for darker people sad.gif
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that is why i said max out ur DRO smile.gif...if you're DRO is not enough then u probably need to
1) use flash to fill in
2) get a camera with the best dynamic range..you will be amazed on which camera gives the best DR.
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post Oct 20 2009, 03:59 PM

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albnok: time to buy that sony WX1 ----sooooooo wide.....
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post Oct 20 2009, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Oct 20 2009, 04:26 PM)
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if u after a frequen wedding shooter, you will notice it is hard to balance the bride and the groom's cloth, iether the bride gown will overexpose, or the groom's suit will be under, even with the best DRO in the world. u can even notice 60% of freelance wedding shooter always overexposed the bride's gown (they will claim intentionally)
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well, im just a noob:thumbs: not going into a brand war....from that pic, the top part is overexposed ......shooter might be facing the sun?? i remmeber a700 has 5 level of DRO and it should be able to retain details to a certain degree and not leaving the entire top overly exposed..level 5 is pretty amazing iinm smile.gif...just my 2 cents....peace

in extreme sunlight, an external flash is very important, esp when facing the sun smile.gif
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post Oct 20 2009, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Oct 20 2009, 05:49 PM)
hahaha no la... we all are learning, i am also noob tongue.gif

the DRO in A700 works a little diff with A900/850 and A550, seem like the A550 has much improved algorithm, the older algorithm usually brighten the whole photo rather then just the dark area, try shoot it with manual on tripod, DRO off and on.

well its because prehaps he is trying to brighten(overexpose) the photo so he able to see the faces, but the overexpose caused the overall photo to go brighter as well. (or out of the blue he used spot metering on the face (dark, so the Ai auto meter it to brighter) i mean, that photo, the faces are brighter~ then the rest...


Added on October 20, 2009, 5:56 pmand, external flash, how well does it works?

my experince,
1. u have to use manual, coz the stupiak A-mode will lock ur apperture(probably u gonna use F5.6 or F8 for group photo), and the flash will lock ur ss at 1/60 at wide, and 1/160 when zoom (bounce) or HSS 1/250 (zoomed/direct/SSS off)

and if the sunlight is strong, it actually required 1/640 at F8. the above 3 setting will Overexposeeee sad.gif

alright then, let say use manual, u able to adjust F11, 1/160, when ur metering detect the surround is bright enough, the flash will auto adjust to fire at Minimum power. muahahahaha so, faillled again

so to actually have a nice photo at direct under the sun, u have to manual everything, set it right, only u get the real good result biggrin.gif

a good trail for u guys who never shoot under direct sun (for fill in the face) go try it! good exp... fast go level up~
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then the DRO is pretty weird than. (im not using alpha now)....i usually turn on the DRO (function) whenever im shooting outdoor esp during those situation when i have super bright sky. I will post a few pics with it on and off to see the diff it you wana see it smile.gif...all i can say is that its pretty cool function to have, at least i can keep my GND at home and get a so-so result (of course GND will give better result).......

well, i always recommend one to use M whenever u are using an external flash....

cut short the entire story, to use fill-in flash under sun light using a flash gun
1) set camera to M mode
2) set HSS to ON
3) use spot metering (for more accurate result)
4) set AEL to TOGGLE (easier than hold)

ok here comes the method:
1) Meter the background (the background should be relatively brighter than your foreground)
2) lock the exposure by pressing the AEL button
3) now focus on the subject (foreground) and set ur flash compensation to -1.0ev or more (personal preference smile.gif)
4) then shoot smile.gif

Result - your subject should be properly exposed as well as ur background, besides, the -1.0 ev is to avoid super harsh flash and to create a more subtle pic (personal preference too)...sometimes is use up to -2.0ev....the above technique can be used for indoor dark env too...

just my 2 cents.....
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post Oct 20 2009, 06:39 PM

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erh...the key is the exposure....
always remmeber that flash only LIGHTS up the foreground and not the entire frame (i do not if there is a super powerful flash that can do that)

Without flash:
1) use matrix metering so that the entire frame looks well balanced
2) turn on DRO if its super bright (when foregroud and background contrast is really high) - DRO is supposed to bring out "light in dark area" and "dark in bright area" get that idea?
-- that is probably the best you can get...else use ur popup, dont worry about harsh lighting, if u meter properly, the flash wont be harsh..but the limit here is ur flash-sync-speed.....
So why?
Say ur foreground is so bright that it requires 1/2000s at f/2.8, and now u are using ur flash to fill in the foreground right? with pop up flash, u are limited to ur flash-sync-speed say 1/160 (iinm for a200)...so if u shoot at 1/160, f/2.8 with pop up flash, ur background will be nicely exposed but ur foreground will be SUPER overexposed right?

So that is why u need an external flash that allows HSS (so that u can shoot at 1/2000). alternatively, use a ND card to reduce light entering the camera, OR increase the F to F/22 or smaller (but it defeat the purpose of using a f/2.8 lens)....
understand the idea above? If you do then dont have to read manuals or article liao smile.gif

A shot taken quite some time back using fill in flash:
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Ignore the low resolution
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post Oct 20 2009, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Oct 20 2009, 07:10 PM)
Sbut i do it a little diff, i will use Smode lock it to the shutter speed i wanted, check both F on subject and background, see the differences, then only decide the amount of power of flash to use (manual flash thou)
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trust ur ext flash TTL la smile.gif

QUOTE(ieR @ Oct 20 2009, 07:10 PM)
and ND filter blocks out flash power too sad.gif but it is really useful for F2.8 lenses under direct sun. also, if u notice, our skin absorb most of the light, when u zoomed in, even at F2.8, ur SS is around 1/640 only unlike when u zoomed out (wide) it goes up to 1/4000 maxed. (as it tries to meter the surround, if cloud/sky is in the frame)
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dont really understand what ya trying to say here...hmmm hmm.gif
i remember that my f42 can shoot at 1/2000 HSS last time, the flash head has to be 90 la...cannot bounce up,left or right.....

QUOTE(ieR @ Oct 20 2009, 07:10 PM)
but generally, DRO brighten up the photo, it does not darken it~

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lol, sorry for the wrong info, need to learn more about DRO then smile.gif...all i know is that it prevents blow out highlights smile.gif


QUOTE(ieR @ Oct 20 2009, 07:10 PM)

there are people who claim D3x HSS goes up to 1/2000, but the last time i read the instruction book of D3x (go google it) it quote 'HSS support up to 1/250'

But still, YES, it still may trigger pass 1/250...
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f42 can shoot at 1/2000 jugak....smile.gif (iinm, flash always blast at full power but diff duration for diff power smile.gif)
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post Oct 20 2009, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(hazril @ Oct 20 2009, 08:28 PM)
so dat means we set the exposure based on the reading we metered the background issit...???than we adjust according rite...???still cant get the full view of the technique yet.... tongue.gif

iera technique is the same like the instructor taught us on last sunday....only difference on the flash setup though....
one more Q's guys....was fiddling with M mode just now....set my flash to bounce....shutter was set at 1/60....just played with the aperture....exposure wise from F5.6 and F8 not very much difference....why is that...???even i tembak at F32,histogram reading is mainly peaks at the center....
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yupp, meter the background.....

HSS only works when flash head is at 90 degree (f42 la, duno bout f58)...
it is because ur TTL will adjust the flash power accordingly when u set ur aperture...be it f/5.6 or f/8

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QUOTE(hazril @ Oct 20 2009, 10:00 PM)
HSS only works 90 degree...they showed it during the workshop the other day.....

so sp00kY,i could safely say that if i were to take pics indoor and set shutter @ 1/60 fixed and any F number,the picture will be correctly expose regarding any F number i've set...correct...???im trying to get a general idea how it works....thanx for ur time replying my post... smile.gif
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Yes & no

Yes your SUBJECT will be properly exposed if:
1) ur flash has enough power AND
2) ur metering can be trusted
3) your indoor lighting requires slower shutter than 1/60. Which means that if u meter ur background and it is 1/100 for 0ev, shooting at 1/60 will overexposed the entire frame....
(i always use shutter speed 1/2 stops above the required speed, eg: if background needs 1/60, i will use 1/120 or more)
Depending on how dark the room is....

The "no" is if ur room is super dark where the flash is not even sufficient to light up the subject at full power at 1/60...

The rule i use is to always meter the background then shoot with the same setting for the whole session...meter an average place, not too bright and not too dark.....then set it 1/2 stops higher than the required...i think u can try to play aroud with exposure compensation + flash compensation too....i know it works for outdoor..indoor...not quite sure how the exposure compensation can come in handy
just my 0.02
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post Oct 21 2009, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Oct 21 2009, 12:12 AM)
its not that u cant run 1/2000 or heck if ur curtain allows, u can run at 1/8000 ss. but that doesnt mean ur flash will travel faster then 1/8000 ss
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i believe it is more of the flash is 'unable' to work that hard smile.gif

QUOTE(Banzai_san @ Oct 21 2009, 12:33 AM)
whats the advantages / disadv of flash xsync 1/160s compared to 1/250s ?
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the only exp i had was using a canon 40d and a nissin, my x-sync was only 1/250, how i wish it can go higher than that...maybe 1/1000? hahah...because mounting a nissin with a limit of 1/250 in broad daylight sounds kinda silly kan...

QUOTE(albnok @ Oct 21 2009, 01:56 AM)
SpOOkY: While DRO Level 5 is pretty amazing, I would hesitate to use it on faces due to the unnatural look it gives to faces. However, it can be recovered quite easily in Photoshop (though not as easily as AutoHDR 3EV on the A500/A550...)

Well explained about the HSS thing, looks like it's still fresh in your head!

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yeah its still fresh because the concept is pretty important to me smile.gif....

QUOTE(albnok @ Oct 21 2009, 01:56 AM)
I take it that ieR means that when you meter for a wide landscape you get 1/2000s but when zoomed into a face you get 1/640s because the sky is so much less in the frame.

ieR:

Dude, just because the shutter speed is 1/2000s, the shutter does not open and close within 1/2000s! It only travels at the flash sync speed, but with the second curtain following behind the first curtain closer. This was discussed a long time ago, I hope SpOOkY can pick up from here as he got the idea. I don't even remember what to search for on Youtube that explains this really well. Here's one link to get you started:

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lol, it took me a while to understand the zoom in and zoom out thingy too

eh, cant remember the link but i can try searching for it, a very cool video!

should be this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUbzXRVZejA

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achew: i din know that shooting babies was that tough until i tried it on my nephew...non stop moving and i cant predict wat's going to happen next...cannot flash directly somore hahah...but it was fun..
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achew: nice shot, i love the reflection smile.gif
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lwliam : tamron 10-24? i heard that its not that good oh.
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post Oct 22 2009, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Oct 22 2009, 09:47 PM)
due to? gear strip or distortion or anything?

2nd hand in market i see its around 1.6-1.7k like that.. but of coz if got sigma i would prefer that.. but sigma got 10-20 only wor
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huh so exp ar...i dun think tokina is available for sony..but i rather get sony 1118 then....sigma 10~20 f/3.5 also ok but sigma's built erh...
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post Oct 23 2009, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(grotesk @ Oct 23 2009, 09:00 AM)
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Sorry bro, too deep dah kena poison, hahahaha. Out of the 2 package, the 5499 package lens, issit way better?

Paiseh asking noob question, newby here.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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18-250 better if u need more than 80mm
16-80 better if u are ok with 80mm

personally i will choose the 1680 package and get another 55-200.
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QUOTE(mcline_007 @ Oct 23 2009, 10:20 AM)
Good morning guys...
today im going to buy F58 wit a rechargeable battery. rclxm9.gif
can anybody recommend me wat rechargeable battery brand i should buy. icon_question.gif
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sony cycle blue smile.gif...similar to eneelop but much cheaper...RM88 4 batt + charger smile.gif
so far so good for me, can last super long,...
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post Oct 23 2009, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(mcline_007 @ Oct 23 2009, 10:55 AM)
thanks buddy...f58 need 4 batt rite? noob here
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yupp ..u need 4 batt...

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