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kwtan123
post Jan 18 2011, 05:48 PM

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I know SP Setia going to have a bonus issue, however, what is the impacted to SPSetia-WB warrant? I have holding 2 units.

Want to know any impacted after bonus issue out.

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post Jan 18 2011, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(kwtan123 @ Jan 18 2011, 05:48 PM)
I know SP Setia going to have a bonus issue, however, what is the impacted to SPSetia-WB warrant? I have holding 2 units.

Want to know any impacted after bonus issue out.

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From the way you ask, I believed you do not know much about warrant or to be precise with the characteristic of the warrant you are holding. Your SP Setia- WB warrant main terms are exercise price of RM4.48; exercise ratio of 1-for-1 and the expiry date at Jan 2013.

With the private placement and issuance of bonus share, it would mean that the share capital of SP Setia increased hence diluting the current earning of the current shareholders. This will lead to the share price drop in Sp Setia due to the dilution of EPS (Earnings per share). And since your SP Setia WB warrant related directly to SP Setia mother share, don't you think the news of SP Setia will have a direct effect on the warrant?

Warrant price are determined closely by the price of the mother share and the expiration of the warrant, although there are many other factors that are factor in the price (rho, teta and etc etc). Maybe you wan to google more about warrant or search the forum to have a better understanding of it.
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Jan 18 2011, 01:30 PM)
imho, it is because the bonus issue is as a result of private placement, meaning it will dilute the EPS of the current shareholders.
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Yes both bonus issue and private placement will dilute the EPS. But the difference is that the former doesn't dilute the % of existing shareholdings. Your cut on the earnings remains the same. The price (if it's pure bonus exercise) should only be adjusted on ex-date. That's what I wanted to say.

If I'm not mistaken the warrant terms will be revised accordingly on bonus issue. If not the warrants will be forever out of money, right?
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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jan 18 2011, 07:05 PM)
Yes both bonus issue and private placement will dilute the EPS. But the difference is that the former doesn't dilute the % of existing shareholdings. Your cut on the earnings remains the same. The price (if it's pure bonus exercise) should only be adjusted on ex-date. That's what I wanted to say.

If I'm not mistaken the warrant terms will be revised accordingly on bonus issue. If not the warrants will be forever out of money, right?
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Theoretically, should be adjusted to the ex date, but as we know, market is always unpredictable. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif .

People just follow the majority, that's why the big sharks is always the winner in the market.

As for the warrant, I'm not sure whether will it be revised accordingly. And I agree with you that if they don't it will always be out of money. That's the risk of holding warrants. Maybe someone can enlighten us on this warrant issue.
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Seems like we do not have an answer on what will happen to the warrant after the issuance of the bonus shares for the mother share.

Will the exercise price be adjusted lower accordingly?




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post Jan 18 2011, 09:30 PM

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I think I was wrong. If bonus issue is similar to cash dividends, the warrant terms won't change. Is it only share split will get the exercise price revised? I remember seeing an announcement pertaining to this recently. I can't recall which stock already. I think we need to find a warrant which had similar corporate exercise to confirm.
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i trade stock start from 5 year ago,

for my opinion.. you maybe you need spend some time to study what is exactly stock market running

stock market is a money game , is a market that you can put your money for invest.. maybe you can make money

you may lossing money also..

the most important for me.. don't trust for the indicator.. especially William% or RSI ..

i tell you , every professional indicator is a wrong signal for us to go to the market

i loss over 90K in the stock market...

now only i understanding we need to follow with the market trend

bull or bear market

now is going too high bursa now today

1570.. to high .. don't go in first.. wait...

but my opinion ..if you want to make fast money..

trade FKLI or FCPO..

the faster way to make money.. i make about 500-2k per day with 1 lot for trade CPO
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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jan 18 2011, 09:30 PM)
I think I was wrong. If bonus issue is similar to cash dividends, the warrant terms won't change. Is it only share split will get the exercise price revised? I remember seeing an announcement pertaining to this recently. I can't recall which stock already. I think we need to find a warrant which had similar corporate exercise to confirm.
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I am trying to find a stock with similar exercise too but to no avail.
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post Jan 18 2011, 10:39 PM

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S P Setia back in the limelight

URL: http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/highlights/...-limelight.html

SP Setia plans project, in talks with govt on KL site

Read more: http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...l#ixzz1BOlA2p9j

SP Setia slides on downgrades

Read more: http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html



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QUOTE(T816B @ Jan 18 2011, 09:35 PM)
I am trying to find a stock with similar exercise too but to no avail.
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Call warrants exercise price will be revised (read here). Not sure about warrants.


Added on January 18, 2011, 11:01 pm
QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 18 2011, 10:39 PM)
S P Setia back in the limelight

URL: http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/highlights/...-limelight.html

SP Setia plans project, in talks with govt on KL site

Read more: http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...l#ixzz1BOlA2p9j

SP Setia slides on downgrades

Read more: http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html
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It was only a week ago when most research houses were bullish on this stock. They changed their stand so quickly.

This post has been edited by iamsobloodysick: Jan 18 2011, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jan 18 2011, 10:59 PM)
Call warrants exercise price will be revised (read here). Not sure about warrants.


Added on January 18, 2011, 11:01 pm

It was only a week ago when most research houses were bullish on this stock. They changed their stand so quickly.
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Thanks. Am surprise that there is no info for the WB?


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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jan 18 2011, 10:59 PM)
Call warrants exercise price will be revised (read here). Not sure about warrants.


Added on January 18, 2011, 11:01 pm

It was only a week ago when most research houses were bullish on this stock. They changed their stand so quickly.
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Most of them still bullish, just a few downgraded as they thought its fully valued. cool2.gif

8.06 (CIMB, up)
7.70 (HwangDBS, not sure up or down)
7.39 (RHB, down)
7.15 (MBB, up)
7.23 (OSK, not sure up or down)
6.00 (Libra, not sure up or down)
6.95 (达证券 up

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jan 19 2011, 03:00 AM)
Most of them still bullish, just a few downgraded as they thought its fully valued.  cool2.gif

8.06 (CIMB, up)
7.70 (HwangDBS, not sure up or down)
7.39 (RHB, down)
7.15 (MBB, up)
7.23 (OSK, not sure up or down)
6.00 (Libra, not sure up or down)
6.95 (达证券 up
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Are these revised recommendations following the announcement of the corporate exercise?

ECM Libra is advising investors to take profit.

New SPSETIA-CW by CIMB (here) could be listing today. Let's see if the selling pressure persists or not.
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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jan 19 2011, 07:51 AM)
Are these revised recommendations following the announcement of the corporate exercise?

ECM Libra is advising investors to take profit.

New SPSETIA-CW by CIMB (here) could be listing today. Let's see if the selling pressure persists or not.
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In order for The SPSETIA- CW warrant to be in the money, SPSETIA need to be above RM 7.35 (0.15*8 + 6.15 exercise price). Else. CIMB will laugh all the way to the bank. Possible of SP Setia to reach the height or above RM 7.35 in a year from now? Let's check this when 2012 comes! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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News Flash:

SP Setia Bhd, a Malaysian property developer, rose the most in a week in Kuala Lumpur trading after AmResearch Sdn Bhd raised its fair value for the stock to RM7.10.

Its shares gained 3 per cent to RM6.60 at 9:10 a.m. local time, set for their biggest increase since Jan. 13. -- Bloomberg


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QUOTE(maymaylee @ Jan 18 2011, 09:31 PM)
i trade stock start from 5 year ago,

for my opinion.. you maybe you need spend some time to study what is exactly stock market running

stock market is a money game , is a market that you can put your money for invest.. maybe you can make money

you may lossing money also..

the most important for me.. don't trust for the indicator.. especially William% or RSI ..

i tell you , every professional indicator is a wrong signal for us to go to the market

i loss over 90K in the stock market...

now only i understanding we need to follow with the market trend

bull or bear market

now is going too high bursa now today

1570.. to high .. don't go in first.. wait...

but my opinion ..if you want to make fast money..

trade FKLI or FCPO..

the faster way to make money.. i make about 500-2k per day with 1 lot for trade CPO
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bro.. totally agree with u.. cos i still newbie.. i keep advise them don't go in... sell anytin u have rite now.. dun b greedy.. as those old bird told me.. time to sell cos slump period is arriving soon..


Added on January 19, 2011, 10:58 amnow goin up 12 sen.. after 7, sell ba..

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jan 19 2011, 07:51 AM)
Are these revised recommendations following the announcement of the corporate exercise?

ECM Libra is advising investors to take profit.

New SPSETIA-CW by CIMB (here) could be listing today. Let's see if the selling pressure persists or not.
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You are correct. Libra's TP is 6.00, definitely not a buy call.
Only those around 7.x or even 8.x with a buy/OP call.
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Jan 18 2011, 11:30 AM)
no problem.

Rebounding is a matter of time, but do exercise cautious as the KLCI index is indeed in a very high position. No one knows what is the right price to go in as the market reacts base on news that related to the stock. As for SP Setia, project contracts are those that will really drives up it shares.

Foreign fund is also another factor that is important in the direction of the market. When more foreign funds is being poured in, stocks will go up (prior to 1997 crisis), and when foreign funds is being pulled back, the stocks will plunge due to supply of shares more than demand where people will do a lot of panic selling, trying to hold on to cold hard cash when the market is uncertain.

If you'd ask me, what is the right price to enter, honestly I do not know. But do ask yourself, you plan to make quick bucks (as a contra player), looking for capital appreciation over a period of time or going in for dividend play (long term)? Rule of thumb, always invest within your mean, and do not rush in buying stocks as the timing is very important.
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icic...thanks for your the explanation and the others as well...it's indeed abit complicated...
need to see and learn more... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Added on January 26, 2011, 9:19 pmSpSetia giving 14cents dividend... Time to rebound!

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