Hi guys,

Welcome to the Schnauzer thread I don't really know any Schnauzer breeders to be very honest, so I'm afraid I can't help you much with that...maybe the other owners might have come across some good breeders and can recommend. I myself have gotten Scottie from a pet shop. Not really advisable, but I only knew after I got Scottie and started to read more about puppy mills and all that.

A good thing to note is to really 'test' out whether the breeder that you're talking to is a truly ethical and reputable breeder I think we discussed about this about 2 pages back Nowadays, we see a lot of breeders who claim that they are 'home breeders' but actually are little puppy mills who don't take care of their dogs and breed them excessively for profit, so it's good to read up more and talk to as many breeders as you can before deciding on one. Even though the pups may look super cute, I think if the person is an unethical breeder, it's best not to get from them because we're just encouraging him/her to breed more...hope this helps you a little and I hope you find your Schnauzer soon

I'm not too sure just yet as I'm still finalizing some plans. If I can make it, I think I'll just head on to DPC

I send Scottie to Dr See in Sri Petaling...on previous occasions I've also been to see a Dr Lim near Taman Desa. They're very good doctors, but they're very expensive Recently I've sent Scottie to Dr Edmund Yeoh in Puchong...he's quite good too Yen almost always sends her rescues to Dr Edmund for de-sexing and treatment. He's also open to raw feeding

Or, if you want to send to a better facilitated place, Gasing Veterinary Hospital is also okay but you would need to see Dr. Prem or Dr. Lim...not sure the rest of the doctors there are good or not, but I've heard good things about Dr. Prem and spoke to him once when I went with Yen for a consultation. He's very informative and detailed if you ask

Yeah, that's the one Dr. Prem is also quite open to raw

My two cents' worth: I believe that any dog, regardless of size, would be better off healthy and slightly bigger than being malnourished in the name of 'keeping the size small'. For me, the actual size of the dog depends on the genes inherited from the parents. If you have gotten your pup from a breeder, you should be able to gauge ROUGHLY how big your pup will be when he/she grows up. Again, this is just an estimate...there's no guarantee that your pup will be exactly the same size as the parents. I have seen before some pups who grew up to be much bigger than their parents, even though the parents are relatively small in stature, so I guess luck plays a little part in this too

I don't believe the saying that if you feed less, your pup will remain small. That just encourages people to underfeed their dogs, and results in health problems later on in the dog's life. For me, if the pup's genes say that he/she will grow to that certain size, he/she will still grow to that size no matter how much or how little I feed. So, I might as well feed appropriately

Of course, overfeeding is another extreme, so we should always monitor our dogs by feeling along the sides. When we feel the sides, use a little bit of pressure like as you're doing a gentle massage. If by using that bit of pressure and you can feel the ribs of your dog, then he/she is in a good size. If by just touching very lightly you can feel the ribs, he/she is underweight. If by applying pressure and you can't feel the ribs at all, then your pup is overweight. Hope that helps you a little!


EDIT: Here's a bit of reference that I found while googling for it: http://www.dailypuppy.com/articles/determi...-a-dog_782.html

This post has been edited by Rayne: Aug 16 2010, 01:09 PM

Hey Jason! Where did you go? Long time no see

I think Giant Schnauzers are very rare in Malaysia...it will probably be hard to find local breeders. For one, they're really huge (they're bigger than a German Shepherd and taller too). So far in the 3 years I've had Scottie, I've only met one Giant Schnauzer during Scottie's training in school, and she's imported from Germany. That was about a year ago, and I haven't seen her since She's really sweet though, and rather gentle...very cute I blogged about Scottie meeting her last time too. I made them pose side by side to see the difference between a Miniature and a Giant Schnauzer: http://nottiescottie.blogspot.com/2009/03/candy-rocks.html

Shino is a cute boy indeed Puppies are always so adorable...I feel like pinching him!


Yes, totally agreed about the irresponsible owners! Not nice at all...>.<" Sorry to hear about Duke getting scared by other dogs! The thing I learned from other more experienced owners and trainers about that is to not baby them too much (even though they have been traumatized) after. Just go on life as usual so that they can put it behind them and build up their confidence again. Otherwise, if they encounter the same situation (touch wood) they will get even more traumatized and scared.

Anyways, if you can make it to DPC please do go I'm sure our furkids will love to meet your furkids too

Hi there,

I don't really know what the market 'value' for Schnauzer pups these days but it's quite hard to say whether the price is expensive for the pup coz lots of other factors are in play too, eg:

1) Is the puppy from a pet store or a breeder? Pet stores almost always jack up their prices regardless of whether the pup has MKA cert or not. It would be better if you could get your pup from a reputable breeder. Granted, sometimes breeders might charge more than a pet store because to maintain a healthy lineage of dogs is never cheap. But, it can be very safe to say that if you purchase from a reputable breeder, the health and temperament of the pups will be excellent compared to any pet store or backyard breeder's pups.

2) Does the puppy have a championship lineage (claims that the pup comes from a 'champion line')? This is one of the main things that pet stores always cash in on new owners who haven't read much about dog shows. A 'champion' dog is usually put in dog shows (which is kind of like a beauty pageant for dogs) who wins the title 'champion' after beating dogs from the same breed because their traits and characteristics are the closest to the breed standards. (Of course, this is not so simple but that's another long story ) So, of course when this champion dog produces puppies, it can be ASSUMED that the pups will inherit these ideal traits from the parents...hence the high price. What most pet stores neglect to inform the buyer is that although it can be said that these pups come from a champion lineage(meaning one or both of the parents are champions, but usually it's only ONE parent with the title), it is never guaranteed that these pups are of show quality. In fact, IF the pups are of show quality, they would probably never end up in a pet store...more often than not, breeders (especially backyard ones) will choose out the pups that have the most potential in shows to be kept for their own to show (and bred later on), leaving - yes, you've guessed it - pet quality pups to be sold in pet stores. Sad reality, isn't it?

Which again brings back to my first point of getting a pup from a very good breeder. He/she will never breed their dogs unnecessarily just because their one dog got a champion title. Of course, when they do breed the dogs, there's also the possibility of getting pet quality as well as show quality pups. The main difference between these good breeders with the others is that good breeders will NEVER sell their pups to pet stores. Even for their pet quality pups, good breeders will screen and make sure that these pups are ensured good home and care For show quality pups, they will also sell it to buyers sometimes with conditions that the pups be shown in the ring because they want to continue that good lineage which have been built. The ideal main objective of a good breeder is that he/she wants to bring out the best traits of that particular breed instead of just making money. Still, caring for a dog (especially one that is meant for show) does not come cheap either, so the prices that they quote for these good quality pups are rather high (sometimes even going up to RM5 - 10k)


In short, I can't really answer that question for you but I hope at least you know roughly what are the things to consider before buying a pup. Do you want a show pup or a pet quality pup? If you intend to show, be prepared to fork out money...but also to be sure, read up more on the characteristics of that particular breed you intend to get and if possible, get a friend who knows how to look for these traits in a pup. It's better to have a trained eye to look at the pups than to just swallow whole what was said by the people selling the pups. More often than not (in Malaysia at least), there are too many backyard breeders compared to good ones.

This post has been edited by Rayne: Aug 25 2010, 12:03 PM

Hi Divas,

Your comment about how a pet Schnauzer should be groomed got me a bit curious Do you happen to have a photo of how a pet Schnauzer with a correct clip look like? I'd love to see what it looks like...maybe I could get my groomer to try and emulate that kind of clip for Scottie too. Sometimes Scottie looks quite cute when he gets back, but sometimes he kind of looks 'off' in terms of the cut, if you get what I mean...maybe with a reference photo, I can relate better to the groomer what I want him to look like after the grooming session

EDIT: I did a little searching, and I found these few pictures...do you mean like these? http://groomblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/pet-...-in-tucson.html

I do kind of like "Sophie"'s cut though

This post has been edited by Rayne: Nov 30 2010, 04:10 PM

AWESOME! Thanks for the photos, and yeah...I think the notes would definitely come in handy Not that I'm a groomer myself but I had always wanted to handstrip Scottie...it's just quite expensive and time consuming (I've read we can't do the whole process in one session). Plus, Scottie is not a show dog so it's not that important... But I DO like how the handstripped Schnauzers look like. I remember I printed a photo of a show Schnauzer to show to my groomer and she says it's quite difficult for her to do about the same clip for Scottie because his fur is too thin to have the barber-poll look for the legs (which I adore so much!)

I also like how like you mention that the short coat should blend in nicely with the longer coat. Ah, if only Scottie hasn't been clipped so recently! When he's outgrown his coat, I will make an appointment with you to see how it's done...right now it's as you said of Malaysian clips: he has a skirt. LOL! Thanks for the information

Yup, which is why if I can find a groomer who can get the clippered coat similar to a handstripped one, it would be awesome

Sure, once Scottie's coat is long enough to be groomed again (which I think will take about a month or so ) I will make an appointment with you Would love to hear your take on how to better care for his coat too as I'm having a bit of a problem maintaining his white beard and legs

That would be awesome Thanks and I look forward to meeting you

Actually, for a show potential puppy, it would definitely go more then RM2500. RM2500 might get you a pet puppy from a good lineage, but show potential pups go more than that. I've asked some show breeders about their show potential pups and they go upwards of RM5k and above.