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post Sep 27 2009, 11:41 AM

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Not everything needs solid proof to be proven?
Like me i have felt this type of presence before? You can say its cause by tis tis tis tis that that that?

But what are the odds for such thing to happen?
Its like when cigarettes or F&N coke was around they took nearly 50years to prove its bad for health. So imagine how many lifes been taken within that time frame.

Some that really experience this never made it back to share with us.
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post Oct 2 2009, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(~lynn~ @ Oct 2 2009, 10:45 PM)
Well i have my share of experience too.

surely u guys heard of like when u sleep, u sometimes feel like your body's being pressed?
i've felt tht sort of thing for alot of time XD

apparently got some explanation about it, something about blood vein getting blocked or something :/
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Used to happen when i was young. My mind is awake but body cant move
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post Oct 3 2009, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(marsalee @ Oct 2 2009, 11:46 PM)
me too. to ~lynn~, I think you should really read whether in Islam when people die, they will go straight to hell/heaven. Or there is another world in between.
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These are call believes. In malaysia certain race are force to follow without obligation.
Honestly i do believe in ghost before i felt it before at least 4 times all my life. Its something unexplainable. For no reason in a quiet place suddenly u feel chill. Then suddenly you have this feeling keep telling yourself Pls get out of the room.

Another one was a room i always entered a TV ROOM. I didnt think anything bad or scary but when i sleep there i have nightmare tat something is in the room. I woke up with chills and sweating. If someone tell you that room is haunted and u still sleep there its call scaring yourself but
I also have a friend that can see these things. When she all of a sudden just keep quiet i immediately understand

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post Oct 3 2009, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(4Atulan @ Oct 3 2009, 03:28 PM)
When you yourself have switched off the light, and you are the only one in the building, and then the light is switched on by itself

Then you go switch it off again, thinking to yourself that "Stupid me, I forgot to switch off the light", but as you step out of the place, the light is on again

And this repeated enough times to get the message through your thick skull "I am here and I want the light on"

"No, it has nothing to do with ghost", those skeptics would said

But if it isn't ghost, what is it?
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Its not 100% ghost but its just something that cant be explain yet in scientific yet or havent have the technology to do so. But i do believe in ghost.

U havent experience it doesnt mean it dont exist. Some ppl experience it and never have the chance to come back to tell the story.
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post Oct 3 2009, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(4Atulan @ Oct 3 2009, 06:00 PM)
Contradictory statement

If it is something that can't be explained yet, how do you know it is not a ghost?
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How do you know its a ghost? The word ghost is created by u? Its something unexplainable.

The word god created by who? Also human. Suddenly everyone born then suddenly in their mind have a word call ghost and god?

Its a believes. When our parents are growing up they guide us a method. Then everyone follow it that creates a believes.

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post Oct 3 2009, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(4Atulan @ Oct 3 2009, 07:12 PM)
If you are interested in true science, you would know that things has yet to be proven can not be unproven
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Nah dont really believe in true science. I have felt something even science cant be proven yet. I choose what i want to believe not let some nerds trying to proof something.
Like coke and cigarette it took them 50 years to prove that its bad.

So lets if it take sciene 500 years to prove i ma die already before i know the truth.

Have u seen certain diseases even science cant heal. Ive seen certain diseases being healed using non science method. Important it works. You want to wait till science to proof it can be healed only heal meh? Die di lor

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post Oct 3 2009, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(4Atulan @ Oct 3 2009, 09:32 PM)
Not all diseases are supposed to be cured

Some diseases are supposed to be embedded in the hosts, like the chlorophyll in plants, chlorophyll was not in the plants in the beginning, it "infected" plants and one way or another it co-exists with the plants, and they become one
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What u said is true? But for human you cant compare. Compare apple with apple not coconut and chicken

What is cancer? Cancer is something no scientific way to cure it they name it cancer. So if you are sick and u gonna die then you gonna wait the scientific take 20 years to research your cure when u have 1 month to live?
Dont compare human and plant? Are u a plant?


Another believes i seen nothing to do with ghost but the effect is similar.
I seen some family due to their upbringing when ppl want take photo they anti like hell they do not allow baby 1 year old and below to take photo.


But modern parents today u ask them how many photo they take. They have like 500 to 1000 ? Both are human but the believes are so different?

Another example ive seen you tell an english educated and non english educated. You ask do you let your young baby listen to music when 1 year old? She said huh need meh? What for?

When u ask an english educated they tell you the music is for their brain to create curiousity so when the baby grows up they absorb knowledge faster. Baby are very sensitive to sound wave that creates a habit in their life indirectly.


Do you notice its all about believes its your life you choose what do you want to believe not let believes of others choose for you.

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post Oct 4 2009, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Oct 4 2009, 01:04 AM)
Science is just experiments ,logics and facts.
We choose science because it's explainable or definable.
Doesn't the crappy old saying always repeat?
"There's something science could never explain"
The world have alot of mystery happenings that are usually dismiss as myths and lengeds.
Mainly just because it could not be experimented or define with science.
Same goes for peeps who doesnt believe in god and yet we still see growing number of  churches , temples and mosque.
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Its true Science is just experiments, logics and facts.

The last one i have the answer for it . Its call upbringing. We live in malaysia do you think the bumi have a choice to change?
Some knows what they believe, some just do not know who to believe so they trust the so called ohmight, some because everyone do it they follow.


Even many science are myths
They need expert to reprove it. No one said science is bad but u must make sure you know the balance of life.
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post Oct 4 2009, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(tjinn @ Oct 4 2009, 05:25 AM)
those "nerds" aren't trying to prove something.
experiments are going on to discover new knowledge, cures and remedies, ways to enhance our lifestyle.
imagine a world without scientist and doctors? those "nerds" are the very foundation of mankind.
if every1 chose not to believe in science and the "nerds", this world would still be in the stone age.
if it takes science 500 years to prove , your descendants and the rest of mankind will have the benefit, so its not a total lost.

if science could heal every disease then wouldn't mankind be playing god?
there are many incurable diseases in these world, most of them are congenital..  and some lay dormant and manifest at a later stage of life.
these things are out of our control...

in addition to that, i don't think there is anything called as a "non science" method, even in alternative medicine.
its a stepwise process, first comes observation, next comes hypothesis, experiment, reproducibility, inference.
every person has a choice, if they opt for alternative medicine they are free to do so.. "they don't have to wait for science to proof it could be healed"

finally, to believe in the advancement science and to believe in a different kind of existence (ghosts) differs from people to people.
skeptics tend to look for a scientific explanation.. (though there isn't really 1)
while believers think otherwise.. but it isn't fair to disregard the other fields of science.
science is such a general and broad term. it covers, medicine, mechanics, aviation, ai , etc..etc..
i myself think that paranormal science and studies hold very little significance.. however, i do believe that the other fields of science has benefitted mankind in many ways.
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My point is everything have its balance in life.
Choose what you should and shouldnt believe not condemning science. Like you said descendants and the rest mankind will have the benefit but imagine its you and its between life and death. Are you gonna say the same thing?
Find alternative and more prespective in life.

Let me ask you
if science could heal every disease then wouldn't mankind be playing god? with skeptics tend to look for a scientific explanation.. (though there isn't really 1)

If you dont believe in ghost? then why you believe in god? Because in the world more people believes it? Remember Balance of life.

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