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 AMD® Socket AM2&AM3 Overclocking V20, The times moves on..Can AMD Survive?...

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Compelica
post Sep 22 2009, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(antonio @ Sep 22 2009, 07:55 PM)
owh sure...here it is...and here

Last time I remembered that AMD needs bandwidth in order to perform while Intel chips may prefer tight timings...

Nowadays already the other way round... sweat.gif
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I thought AMD always preferred tight timings where as Intel needed the bandwidth? I stuck to that decision but I wasn't sure to go for timings for bandwidth, good to know that. smile.gif
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post Nov 4 2009, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Nov 4 2009, 11:05 PM)
btw, my HDD fail on long DST not sure whether if it affected prime95, (lazy to send for RMA, include this its second time fail. seagate... seagate haihhhhh...)


Added on November 4, 2009, 11:20 pmNorthbridge

Whenever one is talking about the North Bridge (NB) of a Phenom II, it is safe to assume that they are talking about the CPU-NB. The CPU-NB is a section of the CPU that controls the L3, Memory Controller and the Hyper-Transport (HTT). As mentioned before the CPU-NB and the HTT have different multipliers, please remember this.

When you overclock your CPU, the higher you go the more likely you will need to stabilize the CPU-NB. What do I mean by this? As the CPU increases its speed to calculate data, so must the speed of which the CPU communicates with other components on the Motherboard: chipset, memory, etc. Let me take the classic example of a 4.0 GHz 940BE and its CPU-NB. If you were to leave the CPU-NB at 1.8 GHz stock then the data calculated by the CPU would create a bottleneck and thus resulting in errata errors or CPU errors. So in order to balance these speeds a CPU-NB clock of 3.0 GHz would be needed. In most cases of high OC’s that result in crashes; the CPU-NB is usually the culprit.

I have constructed a table at which your CPU-NB should be at with ‘Y’ CPU Speed. Please note that there is a +/- 200 MHz difference for each step. In order to find your speed without my table, you can use my formula: CPU-NB Frequency (+/-200) = (CPU-Frequency * 2 ) / 3.15.
Highlighted areas are the recommended speeds of which to run the CPU-NB

As you can see with Table 3, these are the support frequencies of your CPU-NB at X CPU frequency. Of course, as you increase the CPU-NB frequency, you have to increase the CPU-NB voltage.

Let me put this in practice, before you start to debate my theorem.
Highlighted areas are the recommended speeds of which to run the CPU-NB

Now that you have seen actual data charts you can criticize my theorem, do not worry I already do it myself. In practice it does not work 100%. Actually I have Super Pi 1M, 3D Mark 06, PC Mark 05 and Geekbench charts as well showing that the 2800 MHz NB usually is top of the charts rather than the recommended speeds by my calculations. Which to me, is fine. The idea behind the formula is a rough estimate of what you should be at with ‘Y’ CPU Frequency.

What you should get from this section is an understanding of the importance of the CPU-NB and how it effects your overclocking process. By all means you should think about looking at the CPU-NB each and every time when try to push for a different CPU Frequency.
Can anyone elaborate more abt this?? dont quite understand smile.gif
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In short, he's trying to say that for every MHz you increase on the processor, you need to appropriately increase the speed of the CPU-NB as well. Do keep in mind that raising the CPU-NB increases the Memory Read Latency (known as MRL); the proper way is to keep increasing CPU-NB speeds till you do not see anymore significant gain, then tweak the MAL lower with CPU-Tweaker or AOD. smile.gif
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post Nov 5 2009, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Nov 4 2009, 11:48 PM)
how to increase CPU-NB (its not the HT speed right?) ? & What is stock CPU NB vcore?? (mine show NB vid is at 1.15 in aod)
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It's in your BIOS setting, AOD cannot modify the speed of the CPU-NB on the fly. The stock CPU-NB voltage is about 1.1v to 1.15v, it varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.
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post Nov 5 2009, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Nov 5 2009, 01:17 AM)
ok, now my  NB multi @10.00 x HTT ref. clock = 243.01, = NB Speed 2430.0 +-

Vimc (what is this tongue.gif) = CPU NB vid
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IMC = Integrated Memory Controller. nod.gif
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post Nov 11 2009, 12:39 PM

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I used to be able to undervolt my 550 BE at 890MHz 0.75v and run it at full speed at 3.75GHz 1.4875v using K10stat, which runs perfectly. But now when it transitions to a higher P-State (from 890MHz 0.75v to 3.75GHz 1.4875v) my PC automatically restarts. Previously it wasn't like this.

I assumed K10stat was corrupted or something, but it was the same when I reinstalled a fresh copy, along with testing PhenomMsrTweaker. What could be the problem?
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post Nov 11 2009, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:00 PM)
software error perhaps.. do increment of voltage first, then follow the clock
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Jumping from 890MHz 1.0v to 3.75GHz 1.4875v does not cause restarts, and neither from 890MHz 0.75v to 3.75GHz 1.45v. The reason I'm confused is why it worked in the first place. The last action I did was running Prime95 for a whole day since 8AM, it hanged at around 1PM and I only knew about it at 6PM.
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post Nov 11 2009, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Nov 11 2009, 03:43 PM)
IIRC amd low stated @ 0.8v.. below that it's somehow to go standby..
so in the sense of that if occurs any fluctuation then cpu have no power..

because the voltage supplied is too little for certain speed than of course it sleep.. laugh.gif
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CnQ's specified voltage during low frequency mode is 1.0v, but it's probably just a safe estimate for most of the retail processors to work that way. I'm guessing that the processor can't take the steep voltage change?
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post Nov 11 2009, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Nov 11 2009, 05:14 PM)
could be.. coz certain speed not been supplied by correct voltage during load..
don't forget about the component being degrading though..
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I left my PC off for the whole day (I usually leave it on 24/7) and it's now working again. huh.gif
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post Nov 20 2009, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Nov 20 2009, 08:31 PM)
Guys..I have Athlon II X3 Unlocked to X4 Deneb Core(with L3) But it seems,my screen having weird image.Not crash not BSOD.But it something you will get when your Graphic Card Rosak or in other names Artifact.

Strange is,it does not crash nor restart but artifact.is this sign of unstable too?
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Yeah, it's a sign of instability. I get that when I tried to unlock my 550 BE as well.
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post Nov 21 2009, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Nov 21 2009, 12:18 AM)
What did you do?You just ignore the X4 and stay X2?
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Yup, changing the ACC percentage values didn't do anything for me. Only one core is faulty for me though, but I don't have a board which can unlock the cores selectively, so I'm sticking with X2 for now.
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post Nov 29 2009, 01:51 AM

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Just did a push-pull on my CCF, an easy 4C drop for me wink.gif Priming at 3.85 GHz right now, temps at 55C according to CoreTemp.

My Biostar board can't raise the voltage past 1.5V; any more than that and it would BSOD on boot. sad.gif
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QUOTE(kuntawakaw @ Nov 29 2009, 02:01 AM)
saw few ppl edi dare to put 1.5vcore using biostar...
mebbe im too scared  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

urs unlocked or not naw?
307HTT passed for 1hr 30mins..
now priming for 315htt...hope it passed also...
this proc limits to ~3.4ghz <1.4vcore.....
i wish i have the same as TS...  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Can unlock to X3, but not with Biostar. I need that core select function which Asus and MSI have to unlock. My board's limiting the voltage, dropped the CPU-NB to stock speeds and voltages and CPU now can go over 1.5V. Just make sure to sink those FETs kuntawakaw biggrin.gif
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post Nov 29 2009, 09:12 PM

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Sigh, my proc cannot reach 3.85 GHz, no way to get it stable despite trying all night. I think it's my Biostar board limiting the OC, PC kept restarting no matter what. sad.gif
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post Dec 1 2009, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 1 2009, 11:05 AM)
alright... juz tried 230MHz again... still the same thing... Core 0 stopped within 1 mins, while Core 1 continunes to run... sweat.gif temp not even 60C...
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Try switching off your PC for a whole day. My 550 BE once couldn't downclock with K10Stat properly when it usually could, I left it off for 24 hours, switched it back on and it worked again. smile.gif
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post Dec 22 2009, 09:49 PM

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What's the max CPU OC that anyone achieved here with a Biostar board? I'm trying to get mine up to 3.9GHz but no go, board keeps restarting when voltages are raised too high. And I'm not sure whether bbs.ocer.net released any new modded BIOSes for the TA790 series, can't read chinese at all sad.gif

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