All of em are gone. Hihi.

And I only see people posting pics. Very rarely see any other things posted to share. Almost nothing to learn. And the abbreviations. Oh the darned abbreviations. You can only find people abbreviating scorpion names in here. No where else. Put yourselves in the shoes of a newcomer. And learn what HH, LM, IM, PB, PT, HS, HL, PI and whatever the ficken else you shorten at wihs. Even if you google you will only be spooned from behind.

I'm not unhappy with only you. The problem with abbreviations is the only people who comprehend them belong to a small group of 'enthusiasts' who chat online. Most commoners just can't relate. The only people whom use abbreviations on VL ar those who post here? Or maybe one or two extra jigheads.

Pictures are cool. But that's as far as it takes the hobby, the drool factor. Page one is cool, general as it may be. But thats give you no knowhow or benefits of learning anything 'new everyday'. That'd be the reason why people don't reply such threads much, except for the 'owh!', 'cool scorpion', 'i envy you', schmuck me up posts. As I recall, someone mentioned that it's good that potent bugs are available for hobbyists to study them. However, nothing of supportive advocacy is displayed.

It will be really good that you take it up personally to put up the correct names S1234. Because they are there for a reason that needs no elaborate explanation.

You won't believe the number of people who sms me asking the full names for your nitwit nicknames of scorpions. They are interested, but they have no reasonable source for answers. I can personally attest to spending(or wasting rather) at least RM15.00 every month answering to questions pertaining to the above matters set into spiral from this particular thread. I am not a self appointed bench expert in scorpiology but certain things are best adhered to.

I am simply exerting this because it will steer things in a more positive light. You can take it anyway you want. My shoes are size 6. Way smaller than your's - this I promise you.

-the hobbit who could-

Your English improved by 10 krors in the last post, S1234. Google helped? People have freedom to post. That is why my last post should have been either taken or left as it is. I am dogmatic - this word fits me. Thank you S1234 and online dictionaries.

This is not a personal attack on you alone. It's for all those who post here for just for oogling and waste away into nothingness. So far the posts worth reading on this thread comes from Ryo, akagidemon and Rideon. Breeding reports, setup posts etc. There are many silent whispers people don't share with others. The same applies everywhere in life.

There's no need to appologies. It's not my foot you're stepping on. I just wanted to 'save my phone bills' and the kids some hassle. And sorry for being harsh. I was brought up the oldschool way. You are hard on the ones you care for most. Have a good day ol' friend.

I run the errands and pay for you lah. Not a problem. Pm me and I will reply. Click2.

Bye bye.

Ryo. Don't trouble yourself with listing out the abbreviations. Lebih senang kalau postings are listed out in the manner they are done everywhere else. These names can be confusing because of the fact that multiple species having the same initials. I.e. - PV can mean Parabuthus villosus/ Pandinus viatoris etc. It may be a trivial thing touch on, but it is important. A change is necessary. And Lester agrees to it. I just hope that this is not a losing battle I'm fighting.

Destruction leads to a very rough road, but it also breeds creation - RHCP.

I'm looking forward to reading your posts Akagidemon. I may not actively keep scorpions anymore. But reading will always be top priority.

If shit happens to your rack and you get tagged. Remembering anything won't matter already Dizzy. Good luck and you'll have my prayers. Lol.

Lester. I am sorry if my posts hurt you. I wish things can be better and we'll talk soon. And your pictures are becoming better. Love the whites.

When you find some time - download this and read. It discusses a lot of the basics in photography. And burn hours tinkering with the new toy. Nothing beats a selftaught musician Lester.

Hemotoxic venom affects blood cells (hemoglobin). Haemo means blood. Hemotoxic venom generally inflames the blood cells and rupture them. The pressure built up within the bite/sting site expands and stretches the skin in the surrounding area. The classic slit and wait treatment is conducted in severe cases of viper bites.

These pictures were shared in another thread sometime back - rattlesnake bite

Hemiscorpius lepturus venom is also unique because it is not only hemotoxic, but also cytotoxic. Cytotoxins affect the cells and that make up the structure around the site of sting, ending up in necrosis. It won't be pretty. Cytotoxins are also used in chemotherapy to specifically target certain cancer cells and rapidly destroy them during the treatment process.

Pneumonia is the infection of the lungs, Ryo. Normally brought about from weakened immune system and attacks by pathological invaders.

The Hottentotta babies are not premature. The ones that came out safely developed into nice scorplings. The embryos could have either been infertilized (this is normal) or like you said, suffered from being prematurely released due to a myriad of reasons. Is this the mother's first brood? Small numbers are quite common in the first batch of babies for a lot of species of scorpions.

I used to keep them in 50/50 mix of dry cocopeat and sand. Misted on the top cover of the containers once every week. Ventilation is key for this species, and all barkscorpions. Mastering it takes a lot of effort and trials. I sometimes had success keeping them past 4th and 5th instars and also failed many times. Perhaps with different number of subsets and experiments in the forum, the ideal method for keeping Hottentottas caboverdensis in our humid rooms can be perfected. This species has the biggest potential to be the first desert scorpion for most beginners, in my bibulous opinion lah.


Forest scorpions is grossly underrated in the hobby. They are often seen as second class scorpions by collectors after graduating to the more potent species. These 'ugly ducklings' are actually quite interesting, set aside the calm demeanor and impressive bulk. If you have time (like me, I always used to have time) and spend hours on end faithfully observing and watching them, they will begin to grow on you and finally mature into beautiful swans. They are magnetic animals Isaac. There is still much to learn about Heterometrus.

P/s: I am expecting a second brood of F2 captive bred Heterometrus spinifer within the next few days/weeks. They will go together with the mother to anyone who is willing to spend the time and effort to care for them. Self collect in Ampang Point @ a time convenient to me. Please leave me a pm.

Despite the fact that parthenogenesis occurs without the need for sperm cells, fertilization is a prerequisite for a mother to become gravid in the first place. 'Fertilization' in this case doesn't carry the literal meaning of being fertilized by sperm. Mature females of parthenogenic species (of reptiles and invertebrates) are triggered into entering a fecund stage via excretion of certain chemicals inside the body.

Something worth peeping - linko. Pages 73 & 74 illustrates the embryonic development process in parthenogenic scorpions.

In your case, Lester. The development of the embryos had probably taken place at different stages. Some earlier than the rest, and those later consumed most of the nutrients and developed into full fledged scorpions. While the others remained in embryonic form and failed to develop as the elder siblings sap most of the nutrients meant for the entire brood. Like the sibling rivalry in honey bee colonies. But then again, 'probably' is a vague word and carries no bearing in the scientific world. This topic is a free for all really.

Something else worth reading - linko.

If the above applies, could there be a plausible possibility that Virgin Mary (mother of Jesus) was a parthenogenic Homo sapiens?

You have pm.

Books of science and NatGeo tell me that parthenogenesis has been happening since God Almighty invented the first living things. Procreation back then in unicellular living creatures was only possible via parthenogenesis.

If you are an avid follower of Darwin and his beautifully carved theories (which I am not) you may want to read up on the following a little more -

1. Superfecundity - the ability of a species to create more offsprings than is necessary to replace themselves (this is the predominant case in most parthenogenic living organisms).

2. Finite pool of resources - i.e. food, space, shelter, mate etc etc. This inherently limits the number of survivability of offsprings. Not all offsprings enjoy maturing up into adults.

3. Variation in genetic constituents between individuals within the same species.

4. These variations are also heritable - i.e. read up the Punnet square under the Mendelian genetics. The people in the leopard gecko and snake thread love this one to bits.

The above is not something I came up with by myself. It came from spending time with books and strolling about on the sandy beaches of googletopia and be less full of oneself.

It's a very vague parallel to synonymise parthenogenesis with the extinction of a species when it is obvious that this is a variation (or just another form of evolution rather) in the attempt to keep on procreating, instead of light-out.

God knows better.

A simple setup you won't need a lab for.


What is your lecturer's area of interest? What is he looking for bro?

Has Faith given birth yet Isaac?

Nebo hierichonticus might not be the best scorpions for first time desert species keepers Ryo. It's the only scorpion from the family Diplocentridae that is medically important.

The positively charged sodium ions in the Beta toxins in this particular species is capable of breaking through the BBB (Blood-brain barrier). The ions actively discharge onto the barrier (which is a form of membrane that barricades the brain from being flooded with blood). The venom then strike the neurotransmitters in the brain, causing them to fire rapidly with no brakepads. Among the first signs of the venom taking over is bulbar impairment, where the victim will begin to drool uncontrollably because of the loss of control over swallowing. The extent of damage a Nebo hierichonticus tag can cause is still being studied.

I'd go for a Hottentotta caboverdensis instead. They are both cute and feisty at the same time.

This post has been edited by rafiqos: May 9 2010, 10:15 AM

I'm not here to make things simple. But I will share what I think is important, to me at least. But what do I know? I just read from lits I find from Googletopia and have few sad leftover forest scorpions to part with now. Lol.

Take it easy dizzy.

Use a mirror.

Owh. Patutla..

Is that Tityus asthenes?

This post has been edited by rafiqos: May 22 2010, 08:46 AM

Go to Ikano as fast as your feet will take you. Run up the moving elevators and go to Petsafari. At the far end in there, look for a shop named Toby's. They have some juvies for sale now, if you're looking for Mesobuthus martensii.

Good luck.