Go to electronic shops, they usually have selling. Go to hi-fi shops you need to prepare extra money, like in electronic shops you can get for rm30, in hi-fi shop for the same thing, rm100-300.

Usually I won't bother to get the "latest" model since series the same, end number not same only change in software while hardware majority are still the same.
Even 1 series up also the same sometimes.
For an AVR, what important is the transformer, not the output power as most AVR are sharing the power. When it states 100W, does not means all the channel will be at 100W, it is lesser in real life.
http://my.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-vis...0_&mode=compare
The 377 and 477 basically are using the same power supply and main circuit board(DSP and output), so if I were going for 477, I'll go for 577 instead.

Never use Yamaha before(as that time torned between Marantz and Yamaha but Marantz giving good discount, so Marantz for me) but for Pioneer lower end series, completely waste of money

Musical side also not that good for Pioneer.
Again, before I get flamed, I want to point out that only the lower end series of Pioneer is like that, higher end(LX) are better, but again with that price, I can get other brand that can do the saem

Marantz are good in musical and have solid bass. That's why after I spent rm2300 for the AVR, I no need to change sub liao.
And to say Pioneer(entry level) strong in bass also not that right, if speaking of flat vs flat on EQ settings.
This is the review I get when I change from VSX-816 to SR5007.

Don't know on this, usually I'll dig the service manual first
Then will see is there any major change or not. Some even using the same DSP, output board for few years

If just changing the naming and internal still using the same, no point also
Like certain models can update the ROM to have atmos, which means it is just using software to change the sound behavior

This post has been edited by supersound: May 9 2015, 02:57 PM

Yup, you are right on this, that's why sometimes I like to stress is hardware driven or software driven. If hardware driven, then is something can't be changed easily, if using software to tune, then it can be control with our finger
Like atmos, 4K or whatever marketing gimmick, when doing the recording, do they put extra mic on top? I doubt so.
This is where a strong DSP chip comes in to play.

This post has been edited by supersound: May 9 2015, 03:08 PM

AD's Sharc DSP enough or not

Is it? Anyway, for me, don't keep on chasing our own shadow, not worth at all.

Need to pay extra liao

Like that better stick back to normal system will do

2000euro
I can get better(in terms of price) from it

For rm8-9k, getting a decent 7.2 then getting better speakers would be better.

Some other brand's mid range level are better than it

Most of the time a review done based on a person's subjective point of view. Like Jeresy Dickson's rubbish talk show I never watch as that jerk are biased to who ever paid him well.

Marantz, Denon.
And nope, I won't get A3030 because of its remote.
Had very bad experience with my VSX-816, very easy to fail.

Keep the atmos behind, by changing the direct of the speaker, you will hear the difference.
Or to make it more work, just use your front speakers as rear speakers and the effect are totally different.

Well, I own Marantz 5007 and say it is value for money that I paid for.
I won't get 7008, but 7007, cheaper.
As for A3030, never personally tested it, but remote with LCD display are not a good idea to begin with.

SATMOS with ceiling speakers on the front and center will be introduced soon with 17.2, then change the AVR again

No right or wrong on this, it depends on the spec of the speakers.

20M? I thought your house is 100M long
For that length, even 18AWG are more than enough.

For the past ~2 hours, our friend are drunk by the sound bar

Wait for them to do clear out sales, you may get installment plan without paying 5% of fees.

That's how I got my Marantz 5007 for rm2300 with installment plan