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post Sep 15 2009, 12:15 PM, updated 17y ago

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The Premier League has announced that from next season every team must name a squad of 25 players, of which eight must be home grown.

A home grown player is any player who has played for an English or Welsh club for three years before their 21st birthday.

At present every Premier League club already passes the test, though Chelsea and Liverpool both have the bare minimum of eight.

In addition, there will be tighter controls on the spending of top flight clubs.

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore revealed: "As of next season clubs will be required to have a squad named of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be over the age of 21 and not home grown.

"The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system. Clubs will have to declare their 25 at the end of August when the window shuts and then again at the end of January.

But Scudamore was quick to rubbish suggestions that the rule would encourage Premier League clubs to sign foreign teenagers to train in their Academy for three years.

"It's not in the club's interests to stockpile players. It will make buying home-grown talent more attractive,'' he insisted. "We're not going down the route of a nationality test but what this will mean is that you just can't buy a team from abroad.

"We think it will give clubs an extra incentive to invest in youth. We think that one of the benefits will be that it will help the England team.''

The Premier League will also introduce strict new controls on clubs' finances.

"They will all have to annually submit accounts and future financial information,'' said Scudamore. "At all times the board of the Premier League will be applying a test which basically says this: can the club fulfil its fixtures, pay off its creditors when they are due and also to meet obligations to the Premier League's contracts and partners?

"If the board believe a club is at risk of not meeting those obligations, it has to then step in and agree a budget for the running of that club. Any transfers can be embargoed. It's absolutely crucial that these clubs are run as ongoing viable concerns. These financial rules apply immediately.

"This is tied in, and we passed the rule during the summer, to a 'fit and proper person test'. At our club meeting last week, the clubs absolutely endorsed our position of not linking expenditure to income.''


Source: Soccernet


It doesn't say if it's going to be La Liga-style where a team can only register a maximum of 25 players, or a team has to register a minimum of 25?

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post Sep 15 2009, 12:26 PM

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nope lah...foreigner will leave epl...and 3 years at British club is considered okey lah...
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post Sep 15 2009, 12:57 PM

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Not all.

Clubs can name 17 non HG players. 8 have to be U-21/HG.
I'm still confused. Does that mean the limit is 25 players able to be registered and play at any season? That would be crap.
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post Sep 15 2009, 01:30 PM

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hmmm, since when Welsh club is considered as home grown player ehhh?
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post Sep 15 2009, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(account_manager @ Sep 15 2009, 01:30 PM)
hmmm, since when Welsh club is considered as home grown player ehhh?
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Wales is part of the United Kingdom if not mistaken
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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Sep 15 2009, 01:32 PM)
Wales is part of the United Kingdom if not mistaken
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so does Scotland and Northern Ireland.. hmmm.. icon_question.gif
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post Sep 15 2009, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Sep 15 2009, 01:32 PM)
Wales is part of the United Kingdom if not mistaken
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They are but so are Ireland, Scotland, Northern Ireland. so how come only Welsh clubs but not others from those countries?
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post Sep 15 2009, 01:45 PM

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We might see top clubs facing problems in the future. Just when English clubs are challenging at all fronts in UCL. Scudamore is that thick or is he an accomplice of Platini/Blatter?
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i think what they mean by must name 25 players means saying that these 25 players will play in the league ... meaning if more its ok kua .. lol ..
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post Sep 15 2009, 01:46 PM

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because there's Wales clubs playing at the lower division down there ?

Scotland, Ireland all having their own leagues...Wales clubs playing at the lower division of English league

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QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 15 2009, 01:40 PM)
They are but so are Ireland, Scotland, Northern Ireland. so how come only Welsh clubs but not others from those countries?
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probably cos there are welsh clubs playing in the english league?
swansea, cardiff, wrexham being the more well known ones...im sure got a few others around.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Sep 15 2009, 01:40 PM)
They are but so are Ireland, Scotland, Northern Ireland. so how come only Welsh clubs but not others from those countries?
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as far as i remember, Wales is located at South West part of UK, probably its small size and low popularity, and they include it
i remember one of the main capital(Cardiff) club, Cardiff City playing in Coca-Cola Championship?
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Still Wales got their own league if im not mistaken. Just like TNS? If so, those players from welsh league will be excluded?
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The rules means, each club can only register 25 player max for EPL games next season and 8 of them must be homegrown. Is same like Spanish League only 25 can register but they do not have HG rules there. The rules almost same like Champions League only without the 5 (nation)+3 (club) rules .
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post Sep 15 2009, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Sep 15 2009, 01:46 PM)
because there's Wales clubs playing at the lower division down there ?

Scotland, Ireland all having their own leagues...Wales clubs playing at the lower division of English league
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You are right...team like cardiff...is one of the good example..
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post Sep 15 2009, 02:26 PM

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Means those youngsters not special enough to be considered in the team might not get the chance to play at all if the chance presented itself. Stupid rule. Well done!

And that stupid 90mins rule about signing youngsters in England should be gone by now..
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QUOTE(Wan @ Sep 15 2009, 02:26 PM)
Means those youngsters not special enough to be considered in the team might not get the chance to play at all if the chance presented itself. Stupid rule. Well done!

And that stupid 90mins rule about signing youngsters in England should be gone by now..
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Theoretically, they can still play in League Cup and FA Cup.
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post Sep 15 2009, 02:50 PM

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Chelsea is the biggest victim as they need find more homegrown next season but the cant sign any player
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QUOTE(blinky @ Sep 15 2009, 02:35 PM)
Theoretically, they can still play in League Cup and FA Cup.
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What good is that limiting the chances for the youngsters? We fielded a lot of young ones last season against Hull in the last game of the season.

The more I read the more I'm confused. Now they're saying in the 25 man list squad, 8 must be U-21/HG leaving the 17 other spots to those non HG players. But any extra U-21 can be used during the season, something like the CL squad list.. is that right? That would make things better if that's true.

QUOTE(faris21 @ Sep 15 2009, 02:50 PM)
Chelsea is the biggest victim as they need find more homegrown next season but the cant sign any player
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Not sure they need to buy any players except for strengthening. Their squad is already strong as it is and is a contender every season. Keep the same squad next few years they would still be around the top challenging till the end.
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Sep 15 2009, 03:50 PM)
Chelsea is the biggest victim as they need find more homegrown next season but the cant sign any player
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homegrown also a player that already with the english or welsh club for at least 3 season before he turn 21...chelsea got bunch of youngster that already pass the limit and reach the limit next season...from our 1st team..only 1 senior player must go out...not much different...sice chelsea start to establish academy and reserves sice the Roman era start..
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No Wan. It means out of 25, 17 players (at most) can be non HG. The rest MUST be HG.
Now the definition of HG is the players must play with an English or Welsh club, for at least 3 years before the reach 21 years old. The HG is not necessarily be U21. They can be for say 25 but trained with an English or Welsh FC for at least 3 years before they reach 21.
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I know that. But as things got clearer, it's just like the CL squad rule, which isn't bad at all right now. But expect the numbers to change over the years in favour of more HG players which would be fine.

So 17nonHG+8HG players in the squad list. But those U-21 players that doesn't make the list can still play for the team in the league.
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5560131,00.html

1. "As of next season clubs will be required to have a squad named of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be over the age of 21 and not home grown," Scudamore said.

2. "The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system.

3. Players who are aged under 21 are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad.
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Meaning to say the HG rule only applies to players who are age 22 and more?
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I think so.
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post Sep 15 2009, 05:22 PM

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i guess whether you guys mess it up or i mess it up, it only stated gotta be train @ english or wales, it can be french, italian, spaniard, malaysian, or any nationality, as long as it is train under english or wales for at least 3y below age 21
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Maybe we are confusing ourselves here... methinks it merely says that you need to register a maximum of 25 blokes, and 8 of them must have spent 3 years playing in either Wales or England before they hit 21. So does not matter if they are currently 20 or 40 laugh.gif
At the same time you are allowed to bolster your squad with under 21's, but that doesn't mean that you can have less than 8 'homegrown' talents still...

hmm.gif what if someone was signed when he was 20? The first season he will not be considered a 'gaijin', but ironically after spending one or two seasons at the club, he hits 22 and becomes a non homegrown doh.gif

Also, what does 'play' mean exactly? Playing competitively? Registered to a club or academy? Sunday league? A kickabout in the playground?

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 15 2009, 05:29 PM)
Maybe we are confusing ourselves here... methinks it merely says that you need to register a maximum of 25 blokes, and 8 of them must have spent 3 years playing in either Wales or England before they hit 21. So does not matter if they are currently 20 or 40 laugh.gif
At the same time you are allowed to bolster your squad with under 21's, but that doesn't mean that you can have less than 8 'homegrown' talents still...

hmm.gif what if someone was signed when he was 20? The first season he will not be considered a 'gaijin', but ironically after spending one or two seasons at the club, he hits 22 and becomes a non homegrown doh.gif

Also, what does 'play' mean exactly? Playing competitively? Registered to a club or academy?
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Players get old, those that make the cut maybe will be old/need replacing etc. That's where the U-21 comes in later on even though they won't qualify as a HG, but would improve to make them good enough to be considered as part of the main squad replacing the outgoing members of the squad(non HG) etc.

What I mean play is that, they get a chance to play in the EPL. I got confused before with the max 25 players things. But now that's cleared up, guess it's not so much of a problem. If there was a max 25 players only able to be registered, those youngsters that don't make the cut won't get a chance to play in the league..

But for someone like Hargreaves.. where does that leave him. He's not HG.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 15 2009, 05:29 PM)
Maybe we are confusing ourselves here... methinks it merely says that you need to register a maximum of 25 blokes, and 8 of them must have spent 3 years playing in either Wales or England before they hit 21. So does not matter if they are currently 20 or 40 laugh.gif
At the same time you are allowed to bolster your squad with under 21's, but that doesn't mean that you can have less than 8 'homegrown' talents still...

hmm.gif what if someone was signed when he was 20? The first season he will not be considered a 'gaijin', but ironically after spending one or two seasons at the club, he hits 22 and becomes a non homegrown doh.gif

Also, what does 'play' mean exactly? Playing competitively? Registered to a club or academy? Sunday league? A kickabout in the playground?
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Maddie, it's not play, it' trained. So, doesn't matter whether you played with English/Welsh club or not, as long as you with them for 3 years before you reach 21, then you will be considered HG already.
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yup, noticed that too when i read the whole article again. sorry, my bad.
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Sep 15 2009, 02:50 PM)
Chelsea is the biggest victim as they need find more homegrown next season but the cant sign any player
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they will win the appeal for sure.
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If this rules goes on, i think EPL will suffer the same fate as F1 doh.gif
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so many rules now.. football will get boring.. sad.gif
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