Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

3 Pages  1 2 3 >Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 How much is your net worth?, gauging your financial performance.

views
     
SUSfuzzy
post Jul 25 2023, 01:41 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(kens88` @ Jul 25 2023, 07:40 AM)
Wish to post an update here after nearly 2 years of toiling. Hope to achieve what some veterans here have; millions in assets and dividend income but seems like still long way to go.

Age: 30
Occupation: Changed to sales recently
Income: 6.2k basic
Side income: 1k per month
Dividend income : 300 per month
Marital Status: Single

Current Asset
Cash in KDI: 52k
Other cash: 10k
International Stock: 103k

Non-Current Asset
EPF: 97k

Current Liabilities
Ptptn Loan: 42k left  (330 per month)
Mortgage (joint with parent) : 380k left (just started) (1825 per month; up due to OPR naik)
Car loan: Proton (RM500 per month, 8 years left)

Monthly expenditure: 900 for food and entertainment, 200 for all bills, 180 for insurance.

Looking back, cash savings didn't grow much. Spent part of it on renovation and added new car loan. How to get the first million?
*
Slow and steady bro.

Unless you have an urgent need for the 52k, should invest that as well. Just keep enough for a rainy day buffer.
SUSfuzzy
post Jul 26 2023, 12:56 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 25 2023, 09:57 PM)
Hi fuzzy, what would you term as enough for a rainy day?
*
Boss you are back? tongue.gif

Mine is bit more guerilla version.

1 - I sat down with my SO and list down all our expenses, and strip it down to things we must pay, things we can pay and things we want to pay.
2 - We determined a scenario. Here, I had both unemployed or one unemployed. Then I had a timeline. Initially I had 6 months but I stretch it to 12 months.
3 - We determined possible risks based on past experience. Health issues, repairs, upkeeps, certain events, etc and see how much those might cost.
4- Then we came up with something we are comfortable with. Say for example, we are comfortable that we can sustain ourselves based on things on must pay, 6 months of one being unemployed and 50% of possible risk utilisation. That amount we would require to make sure we will survive through that is our rainy day fund.

But usually I'll just tell people, if you and your wife suddenly became unemployed, how confident you are to find a job within x months? So at least save your monthly average spending for that x months and keep it liquid (FD, MMF, etc).

It's also my temporary FU fund. For now, either my SO or myself can say FU to the boss and live our currently lifestyle for 1 year or so. But I think its extreme because it is also an opportunity cost I am missing out by not putting it to harder work. But, we do like that peace of mind knowing we can walk away if we stop enjoying what we do for a reset at anytime.
SUSfuzzy
post Jul 26 2023, 02:00 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 26 2023, 01:13 PM)
Hi fuzzy, yeah ... was busy starting the move to Australia, where I now spend up to 6 months of a year, and the rest back in Singapore. I actually came back in to update the conclusion to a question I asked the forum nearly 3 years ago, on the choice of cars I should get in Sydney, if you remember.

Anyway, much notworthy.gif on your planning. It's super solid and a lot of forumers would do well to try to emulate this if they can. Obviously, not everyone would be able to, but your basis is, in my opinion, one that works well and gives you a certain peace of mind to (and a different mindset) in your approach to work & employment!

Good to see you again, bro!
*
Hope to see you around more with your sharings!

Certain parts of this place can be toxic, but I always enjoyed your gems and outlook in life. Happy to see you are doing well and out and about!
SUSfuzzy
post Aug 9 2023, 07:16 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(kochin @ Aug 9 2023, 05:41 PM)
thinking back...... when i just graduated and started to work....
with a miniscule rm1.6k basic pay per month. i could still save rm1k per month by strong self control.
as time goes by, and when my basic pay hits 5 digits per month, i constantly struggled to even save 30% of it.....
does most of you have the same "problem"?
lol.....
*
Lifestyle creep is a thing tongue.gif

My pay is high, but saving % wise its lower than when I had lower pay lol.
SUSfuzzy
post Aug 11 2023, 12:45 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 9 2023, 07:43 PM)
You don’t say bro. But the quantum you save (not the %) still ends up being bigger now than compared with before. Except you also get to enjoy life the way it’s meant to be enjoyed while you’re at it.
*
Yes. My EPF alone if it keeps up will land me in the T1 level. So the temptation to "YOLO" my income is high at times. sweat.gif
SUSfuzzy
post Aug 11 2023, 01:04 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Aug 11 2023, 12:49 PM)
curious... whats your definition and amount for T1 level? is it based on income per month?
*
I've shown this before but I will remove it because people tend to take it the wrong way and it rubs on some people.

So this is in good faith and I hope this is the right arena.

This is my current "savings" via EPF. On this rate, even if I don't get a single cent if increment, by the time I choose to retire, I am looking at double digit in millions.

Not comparable to some of the folks here, but for a simple retirement life it's more than sufficient.

My T1 definition is no reduction in what I currently enjoy lifestyle wise and spending wise. I think I used to want a lot more stuff, but when you read the messages by people who are really rich or books like Psychology of Money, it sets you up in the right mindset of exploring and enjoying what you cherish. So my T1 goal is I get to do that without any worries about money at all.

[Edit to remove pic as promised]

This post has been edited by fuzzy: Aug 11 2023, 04:44 PM
SUSfuzzy
post Aug 11 2023, 01:27 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 11 2023, 01:12 PM)
I've not included your screenshot in there, in respect & in preparation for your later deletion - but thank you for sharing. I believe no one here in this serious section of the forum should be rubbed the wrong way. I think it's an inspiration and done in the spirit of sharing.
*
There are times when I have been cheeky and post in you-know-where.

But generally, I enjoy reading in threads like this, where no one is telling you getting that top-of-the-line gadget is a goal because it impresses people. And seeing the sharings here also encourages me to be frugal, I spend where I feel I get my value and happiness at, I save where I don't.

Like I spend a lot on food, but I won't even buy a new shirt unless its deeply discounted and my wife is yelling at me to stop wearing that old jagged tee tongue.gif
SUSfuzzy
post Aug 11 2023, 04:48 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Aug 11 2023, 03:35 PM)
This article's T1 is actually T10.... ie top 10%...

that's why I asked the earlier question.... cos gov never really defined properly all the Ts...
T20, T19... T10,T09... T02, T01.

biggrin.gif
*
Got some survey before.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...es-rm161m/71679

T1 is roughly around USD485k, so maybe 2.2mil? That gets you pretty far in MY to be honest.
SUSfuzzy
post Aug 11 2023, 06:46 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Aug 11 2023, 06:31 PM)
concur... That's why I find it hard to believe casual statements like oh having 2 million is not enough to retire.

T01 (i use this instead to avoid doubt vs T10 or T1) at 2.2 million ringgit assets, somehow maps to around 30K rm per month income (the DOSM data of T01 for household income divided by 2).

if just use 6% return on 2.2 million, that is like 11K rm per month.
*
I a bit malas to rebut those arguments la. 2.2mil is T1, means 99% of the country is living and retiring with less than that and most is doing just fine with it.

That's why I always love this story by Morgan Housel.

QUOTE
At a party given by a billionaire on Shelter Island, Kurt Vonnegut informs his pal, Joseph Heller, that their host, a hedge fund manager, had made more money in a single day than Heller had earned from his wildly popular novel Catch-22 over its whole history.

Heller responds,“Yes, but I have something he will never have — ENOUGH.”


After a level, money is only not enough because our expectations exceeds our mean. 2.2mil means even if it does not generate a single cent more, one can afford to spend 110k a year for 20 years. Means it's 10k a month.

You telling me you can't live of 10k a month? Then how the 90% of the country survive? How 90% of the world survive?

If can't afford to live a 20k lifestyle, just adjust to a 10k lifestyle lo. One doesn't need much to have enough, but want will never have enough if he always wants more.
SUSfuzzy
post Sep 6 2023, 05:42 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 11 2023, 01:04 PM)
I've shown this before but I will remove it because people tend to take it the wrong way and it rubs on some people.

So this is in good faith and I hope this is the right arena.

This is my current "savings" via EPF. On this rate, even if I don't get a single cent if increment, by the time I choose to retire, I am looking at double digit in millions.

Not comparable to some of the folks here, but for a simple retirement life it's more than sufficient.

My T1 definition is no reduction in what I currently enjoy lifestyle wise and spending wise. I think I used to want a lot more stuff, but when you read the messages by people who are really rich or books like Psychology of Money, it sets you up in the right mindset of exploring and enjoying what you cherish. So my T1 goal is I get to do that without any worries about money at all.

[Edit to remove pic as promised]
*
Just to share, I did get an increment heh tongue.gif
SUSfuzzy
post Sep 7 2023, 03:46 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(126126 @ Sep 7 2023, 09:37 AM)
Congrats, can share revised picture of your epf projection?
*
Not that big of a difference, around 500k additional if I push to the current retirement age.

The difference is more if I opt to retire early. If I retire wanna retire by 50, EPF total falls to about half. Power of compounding.

SUSfuzzy
post Sep 8 2023, 01:43 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(gamenoob @ Sep 7 2023, 09:03 PM)
Congrats. Missed your earlier epf projection
*
No worries, I removed it because I didn't want it to become another hooha or looked as showing off.

Basically I mentioned if I didn't get any increment and just with the continued contribution+ dividend, I'm looking at a double digit million in EPF.

Someone chimed in confirm got people say not enough to retire and sure enough, that came to fruition 😂
SUSfuzzy
post Sep 8 2023, 05:07 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 8 2023, 04:51 PM)
I also missed it, but congrats.
Just out of curiousity, the double digit million as in the redraw rate or the savings? I'm sure there are some who save more than enough to retire...in fact some can retire comfortably just redrawing from the EPF annually. It's just political noise trying to paint as though all Malaysians cannot afford to retire.
*
Just the savings. Basically I'll have that amount when when I reached my retirement age which is more than enough to retire.

Just a joke that someone will come and say it's not enough la, which someone will eventually say need more lol.


SUSfuzzy
post Dec 14 2023, 03:24 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 14 2023, 01:55 PM)

We have no children by choice, so we don’t bleed from that point of view.

*
Bleed is the right word sad.gif
SUSfuzzy
post Dec 14 2023, 03:43 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 14 2023, 03:34 PM)
Bro, I find this issue of children very emotive and potentially extremely divisive. We made that decision because neither of us felt, given our nature and dedication to our respective professions, it was fair to our future hypothetical children that we would be at best part time parents and at worst, absent ones with the kids speaking better Tagalog and Bahasa Indonesia than English or Mandarin/Cantonese.

It’s not that we don’t love children but we didn’t want kids that we couldn’t be the best version of parents that they deserved.

Different people will obviously have different opinions but we don’t miss what we never had.
*
It's always gonna be emotionally driven la.

I love mine to death and dotes on her, some use it to buy rolex, some use it to make their child happy. No wrong no right, just putting money to good use.

At the end of the day, what else do we work so hard to accumulate wealth for if it's not to be spent on things we love, right?
SUSfuzzy
post Dec 15 2023, 03:34 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(bogletails @ Dec 15 2023, 12:47 PM)
Just sharing my portfolio

Age:25
Salary: 67k + allowance 12k + incentive/bonus 41k

Asset
Cash: 3k
FD: 30.5k
ETF: 117k
ASM: 22k
Total liquid asset: 172k

EPF: 32k
PRS: 2.5k
Total asset with epf: 207k

Liabilities
Car loan: 42k left
Ptptn: 26k left

I know I'm doing slightly above average, but seeing many here business owner with millions , it really makes me think business is the only way to wealth. Drawing salary and invest in etf is way too slow.
*
hksgmy would disagree.

There are more failed business owners than successful ones, they just don't come to this thread and talk about it.

And also, comparison is the theft of joy bro, you are doing well so just keep going.
SUSfuzzy
post Dec 18 2023, 11:18 AM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 18 2023, 03:48 AM)
Did one of the posts about a 25/26 yo guy having some 6.5 mil btc/crypto and some million dollar house. And call brand owner get deleted?

I'm beginning to think some posts here are fictional. And I enjoy reading only non fictional posts. Appreciate the 99% who post real stories.
*
Should be.

It makes no sense that he hates debt, has a housing loan of I think 2mil, but wanna put 2mil in flexi account to pay zero interest, so why not just pay the entire loan up and be debt free? hmm.gif
SUSfuzzy
post Dec 20 2023, 04:19 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(Nutbeater69 @ Dec 20 2023, 01:19 PM)
It's a real story. but I'll leave it up in the air for anyone who doubted it.
Im the dude. Wouldn't it be better for me to park the 2M funds inside the Flexi account instead of paying the loan up? I can always use the 2M funds for any emergency if I need to.  hmm.gif
Not quite sure why nobody believe my story. Been a business owner ever since I was 22. I'll gladly take it as a compliment  sweat.gif
*
All the power to you then, kipidap.

Way too many "wannabes" here so its natural many here are skeptical, especially when you see many are just discouraged when they see "crazy" stories like yours, it pays to be more critical on post.

Do you have any emergency that will utilise RM2mil? I genuinely doubt so. Would you sleep better knowing you paid that house off, given you said you hate debt? It's your call.
SUSfuzzy
post Dec 21 2023, 02:37 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(Nutbeater69 @ Dec 20 2023, 09:28 PM)

Wait hold on, wouldn’t parking the 2M funds in the flexi loan account already feels like I paid off the house? I genuinely feels the same feeling as paying off the house + the added benefit of withdrawing excess cash if I ever need to for emergency. Obviously I wouldn’t ever withdraw unless some shit happened that suddenly all my investment down to zero

Or am I missing something? It’s my first house purchase so I’ll gladly take any pointers.
*
Feels like = yes, because you have the funds. Paid off? No. The house still belongs to the bank until the last cent is paid.

Some don't mind paying down the value of the loan while having a healthy emergency fund, or fund that be deployed to better capital utilisation.

Some just don't like to owe the bank anything.

Its individual choices, that's all to it.
SUSfuzzy
post Apr 25 2024, 02:13 PM

*pew pew pew*
*******
Senior Member
7,106 posts

Joined: Jan 2003


QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Apr 25 2024, 12:58 AM)
This thread suddenly derailed into stocks vs. properties laugh.gif (tho still an interesting read)
Let me try to bring it back on track and also leave a footprint here while at it since I haven't posted this in forums before (usually just updates on my blog) nod.gif

Came from a hardcore B40 family and frankly speaking, I got friggin' lucky and never would've thought that these were possible if you asked me about this 10-15 years ago. I only have my mom to thank - her insistence to send me to uni despite our financials (and I wasn't even grateful or helping her out back then) and she can now harvest her fruits (me) laugh.gif

Age: 32, Female
Occupation: IT kuli
Marital Status: Single with One Dependent (Parent) / No Kids

[attachmentid=11495479]

~RM891K Net Worth, valued as of March 2024 rounded up to the nearest thousands. Could be more frugal, but happy with the current balance in life vs. savings

Asset(s):
Condo @ RM0 - I value it at RM0 since it's generating expenses rather than cash flow. It's a concept I took from Rich Dad Poor Dad tongue.gif. Controversial, yes, but I'm more comfortable this way. (Market Value probably RM400k-ish nett transaction fees)
Vehicle @ RM0 - it's just a piece of metal junk that gets me from point A to point B, 15 years and running!
Cash @ RM200K - includes all kind of random cash - be it in my Flexi Loan, FD / StashAway Simple / Overseas Cash / etc. Recently hoarded more than I'd personally like, but no choice since I need to spend these in short/mid term.
EPF (Passive) @ RM447K - passively managed EPF a.k.a our sweet sweet Conventional Portfolio with yearly dividends
EPF (Active) @ RM117K - actively managed EPF a.k.a i-Invest or withdraw-to-invest and try to outsmart EPF. And yes, I fared worse than EPF. Might as well kept it untouched. bye.gif
My "Freedom" Portfolio @ RM440K - ETFs, Stocks, FDs, and all random craps
Liability:
Mortgage Loan @ RM310K - been accelerating my payments since Dec 2023 before I make my next big move in my lifetime.
*
Awesome read. Great blog too. I wish you all the best in your freedom journey biggrin.gif

3 Pages  1 2 3 >Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0760sec    0.43    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 14th December 2025 - 03:11 AM