QUOTE(InitialB @ Sep 27 2021, 10:49 AM)
Actually, I am curious on how TS already progressed throughout these years. TS is now 40 years old.How much is your net worth?, gauging your financial performance.
How much is your net worth?, gauging your financial performance.
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Oct 10 2021, 10:27 PM
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Jan 7 2022, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(kimusu2002 @ Dec 31 2021, 07:26 AM) Age: 46 To paraphrase what my ex-boss once asked all his staffs.Occupation: Data expert Marital Status: Single Income: RM30k+ Assets: 1) Stocks - RM220K 2) StashAway: None 3) EPF: RM1.1M 4) Cash/Savings: RM500K 5) Cryto: RM300K 6) Semi D - 2M, own stay Paid 7) Condo - 900K, rent out 3k (loan 680k) 8) Condo - 1.1M, rent out 4.5K (loan 550k) 9) Shop - 1.5M, rent out 5k (loan 700k) 10) Cayenne - RM500K+ (2019) paid Liabilities: 1) Housing loan - 1.9M 2) Two dogs - rm500 monthly Total Net worth: About 6M Want to songlap more money and grow networth to 10M and retire around 51 or 52 What can one do with 10 million that one cannot do with 6 million? Good job and congrats on your progress. gobiomani liked this post
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Jan 14 2022, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(126126 @ Jan 14 2022, 09:57 AM) Age: Family of 4, 1 working adult. 2 child in secondary school Adequate to retire. Can even retire now. Assuming you are mid 40, that gives you another 35 to go say. 2 kids and assume you allocate 1 million ringgit each for their education till uni done; that still gives you around 8 million ringgit left. Active Income: RM30k+ Assets: Stocks - RM3.2m EPF - RM1.4m Cash/Equivalent - RM650k Property - RM6m ASN - RM1.2m Toys, collectibles and other assets - 200k Liabilities: Loans - RM2.1m Other income: Rental - 12k ASN - 4k EPF - 6-7k (div only but exclude employer contribution) Div - 4k (only some equities are exposed to dividend stocks) Expenses: Property, tax and general living exp - 23k Total Net worth: 10.5m Is this profile good enough for retirement assuming adult at mid 40s? Since now you only spend 23K rm pm, after you retire, you won't be spending more than 20K rm. so each year you only spend 240K rm. 8 million just divide by around 250K rm = 32 years of spending power. u have the option to retire already. |
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Jan 15 2022, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(klehfeh @ Jan 15 2022, 01:04 AM) are there any business men or entrepreneur that list out their net worth yet ? asking cause curious how the wealth/net worth is like The issue with looking at business or entrepreneur's networth is the success bias data. Many tries but very few will be successful. The data obtained is almost useless for most; while dataset from a salary person is more relevant. |
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Mar 16 2022, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(126126 @ Mar 16 2022, 04:34 PM) Yeah still working but not so hardworking like before. The spouse who is also a high performer stopped work though. curious about your friend. Good to know u will continue to work, but if u dont earn 2k per day will u still work? Definitely bff and childhood friend, if not wont share such details lol. Dont know but have always been high, and i think self contribute for many years helped too The numbers he shared, is it family wealth (ie included his wife's numbers)? It is impressive that he managed to keep his expenditures relatively tame, given his assumed social status. Especially if the 30K rm expenditures includes allowances to the wife. |
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Mar 17 2022, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(nugget_piece @ Mar 17 2022, 10:25 AM) this makes sense. True story. Happened to me once upon a time. I don't make a lot and don't share to ANYONE how much I make except very close family members. People that would be aware of my income are bank officers, tax consultancy firm, accountant, lawyers involved in loan applications. That's pretty much it. I can't imagine having millions and disclosing it to close friends. how come disclose until so detailed? another blow water like /k? a lot of that these days. Was surprised that a "close" colleague/"friend" started sharing about how rich he is... how many properties he has. nice watches. how much is ASN and EPF he has. always switch cars. buying this share and flipping this properties. Even shared about his salary and bonus payout. back then, i guessed like 5 to 10 mio in total. Then all of a sudden, asked me during one of those lunches at some nice place... if he can borrow 100K rm. I was stunned a bit... told him that he knows I don't keep my spare money in cash form... he asked me to take out from EPF and/or liquidate some of my equity positions to help him, but didn't want to elaborate much on why he needed the money. Moral of the story: there are people who will share info. Would be nice if the info is accurate. At end, i lend 0 cent, and found out most of his info were not real truth. |
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Mar 17 2022, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(126126 @ Mar 17 2022, 04:33 PM) Ok true story. I don't think forumers here are unhappy. Me definitely not. I was genuinely curious about the expenditure side, as for a person of your friend's social status, he managed to control it very well. Kudos.My friends tend to know me as someone who is financially savvy and trustworthy. Why this person disclosed so much was because they wanted me to be the executor for their assets upon demise. And yes the amount is the family assets. i apologise for causing some unhappiness here and will not post anymore of these stuff moving fwd. :thumbsup: Now that you elaborated abt his actual intention, then it all makes sense. You truly are his best friend. And he is doing the right thing to have full disclosure to you, as you are nominated as his executor. This is rare and most of the time, it is a close family member that is nominated as executor. |
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Mar 19 2022, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(126126 @ Mar 19 2022, 11:36 AM) Yup u r right, i agree with u. but there are things call double jeopady, backup executors and underage beneficiaries. Just like in life, death also comes with many issues to solve. ... That's why many here advices getting professional help in the will and execution department of the death stage of life. I think there are a few firms that provide such services (not just Amanahraya).... some financial institution also provides this kind of services. Does anyone here know of more firms for all of our awareness? I know of Rockwill and RHB Trustees (previously OSK). |
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May 31 2023, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(ichigo kawasaki @ May 31 2023, 10:06 PM) In Malaysia, you just need RM2.2m in wealth to join top ‘one-percenter’ club unlike Singapore’s RM16.1m hence singaporeans should retire in malaysia... their spending power suddenly multiply by 7 times overnight by just taking this step.Especially true for those who were previously Malaysians... |
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Jul 23 2023, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(Haloperidol @ Jul 23 2023, 09:43 PM) This is one of the best, if not the best, advice a person can follow to start accumulating wealth at the start of one's career. Its to build endurance habit more than anything (as the money saved is not really much in grand scheme of one's long career). Plenty of opportunity to adjust upwards one's lifestyle as one age... damn hard to near impossible to revert back to student lifestyle. |
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QUOTE(kevinkit99 @ Jul 28 2023, 10:39 AM) remove your cars value completely from mind...so that you don't subconsciously tricked yourself into thinking that u can use the so called value of your car for retirement 10 years later. (unless you want to assign scrap metal value to the cars) kevinkit99, LoTek, and 2 others liked this post
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Jul 30 2023, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 30 2023, 04:33 PM) i have a 5 mil home... you don't have to believe that 'I' have it... but 5 mil homes exist... SOMEBODY has it... somehow this reminded me of a criticism some lay on the author of rich dad, poor dad. one can draw inspirations and motivations from ppl sharing their life story... no harm no foul... the chap likes to claim there is a rich dad... and a poor one too. |
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QUOTE(Femsroot @ Aug 4 2023, 10:18 AM) Ok la. I guess he must be saving 3k saving every mth from 22yrs to 28yrs btw, the chap never even login since 2010. 6 x 12 x rm3k = 216k plus interest. So 3k saving possible? And this story is 12 yrs ago story. Unless he got fama impossible if u start from zero. Most of us start from zero here. Ask ur fren with fd how he got that money? 5 yrs working? U guys must b getting k/ salary. even he could not care anymore.... |
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QUOTE(LoTek @ Aug 4 2023, 11:55 AM) Very doable... yeah, concur... Me: Full scholarship (SG) incl living expenses (hostel included, survived on 300+sgd a month, difficult even then but possible as a cheapskate student who would even save sgd 1-2 by walking up to 1hr) graduated just shy of 10 years ago. Throughout studies I did lots of odd student jobs there (at that time 8-15 SGD an hour depending on type of job) my aim was to save at least 150SGD a week, also did freelance jobs in my field especially in the final two years of study with permission from uni. So at the end of studies had 40k+ sgd cash, as well as some equipment for my job, that was my start in life. *Before anyone says that this is not realistic if they did not also get the opportunity to study in SG, I have young colleagues/acquaintances who studied locally and they also managed to save through their study years, if not quite the same sum as me due to currency. It just depends whether you want to spend your free time partying/mamak/sleeping or doing some easy odd jobs like manning a booth, event crew, promoter which still gives you enough time to study on the side. After grad, back to being based in MY, with short stints overseas. Apart from covid years, able to get low 5 figure incomes (my CV was already not considered new in my field due to my experience working during studying, also helped with very good recommendations from my bosses and uni profs which I will be forever grateful for.), spent on buying a new entry level local car & its petrol and maintenance (which I still drive today), 2k+/- spending a month, mainly food, insurance and contribution to family so able to save 1xk+ a month (since covid, my family has fallen on tough times, contribution to them is now nearer to 7-9k thus unable to save much anymore). Invested in a couple of properties with loans, averaged about one every two years: so currently owning 5 including my family residence which I had to take over to bail out my parents. The investment properties were generally alright investments, not great, before covid had some net cash, now just about breaking even. I guess I was too late to the property game. Had better returns in stocks and UTs but unfortunately did not allocate much to them. Now my main focus is on trying to stabilize my family's situation and rebuild some lost connections and opportunities after covid, compared to 2020-2022, grateful to be able not to pay expenses from drawing from savings at this point. very briefly, if someone can get a job at wallstreet or silicon valley after graduation and work a few years, living normally, can pretty much come back to Malaysia with a million ringgit or above, no problem. fresh grad total remuneration at wallstreet is already 100K usd above. the maang's is even scarier. (just discount 25% for 2010 situation) |
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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Aug 5 2023, 11:33 AM) This depends lor. If salary peanut RM3k, it's impossible to save anything, especially if you have a family. If Salary RM20k still complains cannot save, then memang need bitch slap. 20K? 100K also got people complain not enough to save.... except that chap already gets almost 30K per month into his EPF due to employee and employer contribution. |
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 11 2023, 01:00 PM) T1 or T01, if we follow the DOSM's definition, is basically the top 1% household income in Malaysia. Since on average there are almost 2 working adults in a household, so if we take that number and divide by two, its the avg individual income of the top 1% of working population. QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 11 2023, 01:04 PM) I've shown this before but I will remove it because people tend to take it the wrong way and it rubs on some people. Ah ok... judging from your contribution, you are already in T01... so what you aim for is all possible and fair. This is yourself maintaining your standard of income (over allocated already, because its income, not based on your monthly expenditures)So this is in good faith and I hope this is the right arena. This is my current "savings" via EPF. On this rate, even if I don't get a single cent if increment, by the time I choose to retire, I am looking at double digit in millions. Not comparable to some of the folks here, but for a simple retirement life it's more than sufficient. My T1 definition is no reduction in what I currently enjoy lifestyle wise and spending wise. I think I used to want a lot more stuff, but when you read the messages by people who are really rich or books like Psychology of Money, it sets you up in the right mindset of exploring and enjoying what you cherish. So my T1 goal is I get to do that without any worries about money at all. ... In fact, once you hit retirement, you will notice that your quality of life has improved because you no longer need to save money. Imagine now making 50K per month and needing to pay tax of say 12K rm on top of the 10K into epf, you are left with around 28K to spend. At retirement, if your passive income is 50K, you are actually able to spend double vs prior to retirement. edit: googled and saw that T01 household in Malaysia for 2022 is 62K rm. You are all set Fuzzy! This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Aug 11 2023, 01:50 PM |
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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Aug 11 2023, 03:20 PM) https://www.jobstreet.com.my/career-advice/...-is-b40-m40-t20 This article's T1 is actually T10.... ie top 10%...According to this. T1's monthly household income is MYR12.6k gross. that's why I asked the earlier question.... cos gov never really defined properly all the Ts... T20, T19... T10,T09... T02, T01. fuzzy liked this post
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 11 2023, 04:48 PM) Got some survey before. concur... That's why I find it hard to believe casual statements like oh having 2 million is not enough to retire. https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...es-rm161m/71679 T1 is roughly around USD485k, so maybe 2.2mil? That gets you pretty far in MY to be honest. T01 (i use this instead to avoid doubt vs T10 or T1) at 2.2 million ringgit assets, somehow maps to around 30K rm per month income (the DOSM data of T01 for household income divided by 2). if just use 6% return on 2.2 million, that is like 11K rm per month. |
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 11 2023, 06:46 PM) I a bit malas to rebut those arguments la. 2.2mil is T1, means 99% of the country is living and retiring with less than that and most is doing just fine with it. well said... well said. Could not say this any better even if I try over the weekend! That's why I always love this story by Morgan Housel. After a level, money is only not enough because our expectations exceeds our mean. 2.2mil means even if it does not generate a single cent more, one can afford to spend 110k a year for 20 years. Means it's 10k a month. You telling me you can't live of 10k a month? Then how the 90% of the country survive? How 90% of the world survive? If can't afford to live a 20k lifestyle, just adjust to a 10k lifestyle lo. One doesn't need much to have enough, but want will never have enough if he always wants more. fuzzy liked this post
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