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 How much is your net worth?, gauging your financial performance.

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post Aug 12 2023, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Aug 12 2023, 01:50 PM)
Well said, Bro.

10k monthly living expenses at retirement for an old couple assuming, no more mortgage, car loan or any loans, is more than doable.

More than doable and still able to enjoy many day to day lifestyles.

Differences is you have caviar on uni for your crackers or a regular cream cracker on black coffee for your afternoon snack.

That by no means lacking.

Then again, maybe that’s why I’m not driving a Ferrari wearing fancy watches living in super villa… 😅
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Definitely doable at 10K rm.

that is like 250rm per day for food. I tend to think food is the main expenditures, but we tend to overestimate how much we can really consume as we age.
still have 2.5K left for utilities and medicine and other purchases.
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post Aug 12 2023, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Aug 12 2023, 02:59 PM)
If this is your budget, you are missing out the most important thing: medical insurance! One bad medical disaster like cancer could wipe out entire savings in a few years.

Never neglect medical insurance for those already retired. Always find ways to preserved your retirement capital
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how much should one budget pm for medical insurance?
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post Aug 12 2023, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Aug 12 2023, 03:44 PM)
I heard its 2 to 5% of ur celeri

I prefer to based on annual surigcal limit

at least 1 mil limit to be safe
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you will be surprised to find out that medical cards are not that expensive, and has nothing to do with your salary.

even investment linked plans... one can get very decent coverage for lesser than 300rm per month.

So, if one can retire at 2.5K pm, one can also afford a decent medical coverage.
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post Aug 12 2023, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 12 2023, 04:59 PM)
Not true. There's no such thing is stop paying and let the cash balance self pay. Yes you can stop paying for say 1-2 years (holiday premium) but after that need to start paying again. Why? Cause the cash balance will run out faster than your insurance. That's what agent told me. Need to prepare RM50k+ to top-up so it can sustain you until the age you want. ILP seller will promise you that the investment will pay for it. That's in theory. A good agent will tell you don't expect any cash balance from your health insurance.

That's the reason I tell people avoid ILP, buy standalone and dump money into EPF or SP500.

I am not agent btw.
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the agents and insurance firms would prefer you to dump everything into their fantastic funds.... that way they can earn more from you... trailers anyone? tongue.gif
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post Aug 13 2023, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Aug 13 2023, 12:59 PM)
Depends on your age but if retired, usually around $600-700/month for $2 million coverage/year (if used up, next year will have another $2 million)

one admission to private hospital for cancer ranges from $35K-$60K
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so doesn't this mean early retirement/financial independence is possible with medical insurance covered?
cos the way you mentioned was as if 2.5K is not enough to cover medical insurance.
(I guess we can just change 2.5K pm to 3.0K pm then)
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post Aug 13 2023, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Aug 13 2023, 03:27 PM)
I retired at 50, without food n shopping my monthly expenses are approx $2000 (medical insurance, car insurance + maintenance, road tax, petrol, condo maintenance, phone, internet and electric/water. I doubt $3,000 will be enough unless u everyday eat at home and don't do any shopping.

If u have enough funds, early retirement are very possible but you will need at least $10K/month because without working, you have a lot of free time to spend $$. (eat out, holiday n shopping)

Then you will also need buffer against inflation in the future, I would say $15K/month will be a good figure if want to retire early and must have at least $500K spare cash in hand at the age of 80 because no more medical insurance
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Hope you realize that your monthly expenditures are already in the T05 category, if not also at least T10's.

I am happy that you are in this category, and get to maximize your retirement time, but setting such standards as requirement for retirement just baffles the mind. It is requirement for a very comfortable to luxurious retirement... sure.

I am just basing it on the DOSM stats.... T10 income (not even expenditure, this is income)is at 8K per month per adult.
Of course, for all we know, the DOSM stats is wrong, but I cannot assume that.
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post Aug 14 2023, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Aug 14 2023, 05:30 PM)
what's ILP?
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Investment-linked Plan
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post Aug 18 2023, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Aug 18 2023, 04:15 PM)
Interesting topic on insurance. I'm stuck with ILP medical card insurance (yeah I just checked after all this years). don't know who the agent was (because company bought for me while I was working). Does it make sense to buy new since I'm >50 yo ?

I'm still paying RM3k yearly for 1m cover yearly until I'm 100.
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I hope it is not my lack of imagination. But most probably yes.

I don't know what illness one can endure that will cost more than 1 million ringgit to treat per year. Brain surgery only 200K toppish. Heart surgery also.
But I remember seeing 1 month Covid hospital bill comes out to be 400K rm.

The other point is: would you be able to live after that?
insurance is for protection and outlier events. Ask agents they would say more insurance better.
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post Aug 20 2023, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Aug 19 2023, 11:23 PM)
Well, no one know how much COI will be in the future. One can only estimate and plan as much for it.

My prepayment may not be everyone cup of tea as I mentioned earlier my intent is pay ahead incase brain fart or circumstances that rendered I can't pay ontime, the cash balance will sustain it.  Would be great if it can sustain longer but if not, then one just stay healthy and head to KKM.

I'm currently paying about double of my COI and hopefully by 65, it can last God know how long but not expecting anything back  just hope it can last as long as possible. If the cash balance not adequate, my financial planning include the insurance premium budget until 90. Unless COI goes above 5x of current age, then KKM it is....

For the estimate cost of 80, I'm asking my agent to get me the current premium/coi of similar coverage as me for an existing insuree at 80yrs. Curious to see how bad it is.
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Not sure if you are aware of this. You can choose to make a big lump contribution into the ILP (the investment portion) later in your life, instead of increasing your payment now and invest yourself the difference. Just fees saved (the funds in ILP will charge the usual management fees etc, and my insurance funds' seem to be generating only around 3% pa return. too lazy to really calculate properly) may be significant enough.

That's my overall plan either way. I've earmarked up to extra 300K rm to throw into my ILP should I need to when I reach 60 years old.
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post Aug 29 2023, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 29 2023, 12:58 PM)
we always talk about T1

we got the number now

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...es-rm161m/71679

In Malaysia, you just need RM2.2m in wealth to join top ‘one-percenter’ club unlike Singapore’s RM16.1m

KUALA LUMPUR, May 30 — How much do you need to be in the top 1 per cent of your country’s population in terms of wealth?

Just US$485,000 (or over RM2.2 million using today’s currency rates) in net wealth in Malaysia is all it takes for you to be categorised as the richest one per cent here, or to be richer than 99 per cent of the Malaysian population, according to property consultancy Knight Frank’s latest report.

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I wonder.... if one has RM 16.1 million (ie qualify to be T01 in SG), would it be better to retire in Klang Valley/Malaysia or retire in SG.

I vote KV smile.gif



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post Aug 29 2023, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 29 2023, 01:39 PM)
so low to be T1? maybe life is cheap (ie. throwaway discounted life) in MY?  sweat.gif
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The stats when compared with DSOM's number...

T01 individual income is like 30K rm pm. 2.2 million is equivalent to 6 years of gross income.
If one is earning 30K, I would assume savings of 10K to 15K is fair.
So 2.2 million is 12 to 18 years worth savings.

Don't know if our life is too cheap or fair.... haha.
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post Aug 29 2023, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 29 2023, 09:17 PM)
Don’t get me wrong - retirees in Singapore have it good. Almost free public healthcare, great public safety, good public facilities etc. But, it’s a small country and can be restrictive in places to go and things to do. Retiring in Singapore is not for everyone.
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definitely no right or wrong answer....

my guess is that if one has exactly RM 16.1 million (T01 in SG) and one has a choice of retiring in KV(Malaysia) or SG, especially if said retiree is comfortable with both places, then he/she most probably will choose the place with better bang for bucks. Imagine being T01 in SG but queue for public healthcare.... blink.gif
(ok, I don't really know how bz SG's GH can get, but I assume the queue to see doc or get treatment would be as long as ours here in MY. Which comes to mind: maybe I should start trying out our Klinik Kesihatan to save some money on hbp medicine... smile.gif )

And the way you answered about free public healthcare and public facility do indicate this somewhat I believe. Public safety is acceptable in Malaysia as long as the retiree is aware where to go and how to behave.

hence my choice of MY earlier... biggrin.gif
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post Aug 29 2023, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 29 2023, 10:00 PM)
I fully agree with you bro. To be honest, my wife and I already hold assets in just bonds and dividend stocks substantially in excess of SGD16.1m, not even taking into account our real estate holdings - and we’re still adamant we won’t be retiring in Singapore.

We’re not really considering Malaysia as she’s given up her citizenship years ago (although I’m still stubbornly hanging on to my passport haha) so it’ll be hard for her to regain residency status as a PR much less a citizen if we decided to return to Malaysia.

Australia looks like our best bet so far.
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Australia or NZ are great choices... especially with the SGD exchange rate massively in your favor. Even calculating how much to spend is way easier in SGD than needing to divide with 3. haha.

SG is a great place for one to exchange one's labor capital to monetary capital.... but when time to spend the monetary capital near retirement, many other cities/countries offer better options.
I guess the main exception would be true blue blooded singaporeans, as SG is their motherland.

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post Aug 30 2023, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Aug 30 2023, 02:19 PM)
I stayed in Singapore for 33 years
Public healthcare in Singapore are similar to Malaysia. waiting 2-3 months to see specialist and another 1-2 months for operation schedule. Healthcare is not free, it's subsidized.
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Like that, then maybe better (a very relative term) to seek treatment in GH in Malaysia... it is almost free....

also, a T01 in SG (ie with 16.1 million ringgit) and above 63 years old, most probably can afford to pay for almost all treatments in private hospital in Malaysia. Normal brain surgery and even open heart surgery for bypass costs below 300K ringgit (saw the whole actual bill for a ex-colleague and a relative). I now really believe that even if one has 100s of millions to spend for medical treatment, the body also cannot endure the hardship of such treatments.

Would you know how much these would cost in SG, out of curiosity?
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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Sep 8 2023, 05:33 PM)
I’m not greedy nia. Single digit millions also can liao….

Some of these folks who say double digit millions also not enough are probably those that have very high day to day expenditures …. 10m in EPF easily get 4-500k tax free annual dividends. That’s like someone earning 60k gross a month. So those that can’t retired with that maybe their current earning is 2m annually…. 😅
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Ooooo.... i'm waiting for theedge or EPF to announce how many EPF members have more than 10 million in EPF... last stats was for 2020, and it was 248 persons. I am sure it is nice to be in this list... biggrin.gif

less exciting is the stats of 67K members having between 1 to 10 million in EPF.
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post Dec 20 2023, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Nutbeater69 @ Dec 20 2023, 01:19 PM)
It's a real story. but I'll leave it up in the air for anyone who doubted it.
Im the dude. Wouldn't it be better for me to park the 2M funds inside the Flexi account instead of paying the loan up? I can always use the 2M funds for any emergency if I need to.  hmm.gif
Not quite sure why nobody believe my story. Been a business owner ever since I was 22. I'll gladly take it as a compliment  sweat.gif
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hmmm... lets see why many wonders if you are sincere.
The story you portrayed is one of successful biz owner (brand owner) with certain networth. So numbers should come quite naturally for you. Yet you kept on asking what to do with 2 million and the house.

This is like a doctor kept on asking others if he should switch medicine from paracetamol to acetaminophen... and same time asking if he is taking enough dosage to suppress his fever.
or
a electrician kept on asking others if he should change the fuse from 10A to 13A... and same time asking if 1 phase is enough to power his house.
or
the HR Director kept on asking others if he should hire person A or person B... and same time asking others if they should hire 4 persons or not.

lol... ok fine, the HR director story do happen a lot. haha. But do you see my point?

eitherway, great job in accumulating decent amount of btc...
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post Dec 23 2023, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Dec 23 2023, 01:05 PM)
of course those are real stories.

my niece's friend , 14 years old got RM 3 million in the bank account. her father is Tan Sri.

25/26 yo guy having some 6.5 mil btc/crypto and some million dollar house definitely not a fantasy.
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ah, but what lesson can one gather from that? that born rich is one of the few ways to get rich? lol...


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post Dec 23 2023, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 23 2023, 01:39 PM)
Or betting on bitcoin which is IMHO akin to gambling on Genting’s tables… good for those that struck it rich!
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my first supervisor told me there a few very easy ways to get rich:
a) marry rich
b) win lottery
c) born rich

but i think win lottery and born rich should be merged into just 1: lottery in general.
lol.

so, we just need to remember the 2 ways: marry and lottery. much easier to remember. lol

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QUOTE(jyll92 @ Apr 22 2024, 06:02 PM)
I actually have long term loan at 4% I won't share u in detail. What I can say if you are bankable u have a lot of competitive edge. And this is just one I have credit line in my trading account
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actually, if you can get 4% term loan that easily and without constraints (ie u can deploy the funds as you see fit after getting the credit), u already win and no need to go into details of what investments to take risk in. Your rating is almost the same as government of Malaysia, and by extension, should be better than most banks here... haha.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 22 2024, 06:20 PM)
I feel stocks easier. Buy those debt free companies paying dividend more or less ok. Not all like that. Need to choose carefully. Cause no debt, no one to answer to but shareholders. Less stress.
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same here... financial instruments somehow feels so much easier to manage.... and transact also fast fast... T+2 or 3 or 4...

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