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post Sep 7 2011, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Sep 7 2011, 04:46 PM)
well, I think u r "comfortable" with your own methods.....and i've dabbled in both equities and real estate....so....hmmmmm

There is always a method to overcome issues like vacancy factors, tenant management, refinancing, yield mgmt, cashing out on your equity etc. Your cocr from RE plays can also be decent - at least 20% consistently, not including any capital gains. And i'm not interested in speculative plays.  Old school lah.

wealth should be shared.  knowledge should be shared.  u seem interesting.  if u have time, pls do log on to propertywtf.com.my

no, i don't own the website, and i'm not vested in it.  but it's a good place to read up on some new things if u r interested.

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Nice website there... and and.. i kinda picked-up that there was some "big fallout" here in LYN in the similar interest area.
Interesting... i'm a newbie here in LYN. Yar - lots of post but look at the donkey date i "joined" heheh.

Arigato gozaimaz for that website bro Phoeni_142
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post Apr 6 2013, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 6 2013, 01:09 PM)
Got 6 figure or not...?

To see if you have the required networth for your age use the following formula ...
Thomas J. Stanley's and William D. Danko's expected net worth formulas

    Formula 1: Expected net worth = age x 0.1 x gross income.
    Formula 2: Expected net worth = age x 0.112 x gross income.

Marotta Asset Management's expected net worth formulas

    Formula 3: Expected net worth = (adult years / 240 + 0.1) x adult years x gross income; where "adult years" = age - 20.
    Formula 4: Expected net worth = [(age / 166) - 0.15] x age x gross income.
Gross income is before tax per year.

You all can calculate if you all pass or fail.... wink.gif

Report here.  laugh.gif
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Reporting in Sir Gark!
me net worth is 33.33% or more above all them above formulas' expected net worth sir....
but... i still don't feel rich or wealthy, just blessed and thankful sweat.gif

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post Apr 6 2013, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 6 2013, 02:21 PM)
I marginal fail sad.gif

Wait, EPF kira tak? If kira EPF I pass hmm.gif
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kira EPF lar bro.. maybe not cars and TVs & iphones lar tongue.gif tu fake assets tongue.gif
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post Apr 6 2013, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 6 2013, 02:29 PM)
Then I pass +25% blush.gif
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if i'm not mistaken, those formulas shared by Gark-san is just the AVERAGE JOE expectations.
U want to be wealthy? Need to be XX% above those
1.49 based on The Millionaire Next Door & the following book (Stop Acting Rich & Start living like a real millionaire... or something like that tongue.gif) if i'm not mistaken

eg. average = 10% savings
above average >=20% savings

Since U are an Excel wielder, i think it'll be better if U do:
a. each row = 1 year
b. Columns = Gross pay per year, XX% savings yearly injection, Accumulated Savings *(1+8% as returns) +new yearly injection
c. play with the xx% to see the last row (ie. up to your last year's pay) VS your net worth

Draft idea above yar - hehe, mine waaay too detailed to share as i even track EPF from employer and windfalls
Thus i can compare whether i'm saving how much % in long term effectively and safely extrapolate how much i'd be able to allocate for future goals (kids' Uni, partner's bucket list, etc.)

Just a thought notworthy.gif

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post Apr 6 2013, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 6 2013, 04:04 PM)
My turn...  rclxms.gif

Thomas J. Stanley's and William D. Danko's expected net worth formulas

    Formula 1: Expected net worth = age x 0.1 x gross income.
    Formula 2: Expected net worth = age x 0.112 x gross income.

Marotta Asset Management's expected net worth formulas

    Formula 3: Expected net worth = (adult years / 240 + 0.1) x adult years x gross income; where "adult years" = age - 20.
    Formula 4: Expected net worth = [(age / 166) - 0.15] x age x gross income.

F1 : Pass...
F2 : Pass...
F3 : Pass...
F4 : Pass...

+50% or more  rclxms.gif
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notworthy.gif U be in the >=1.49 of Stanley / Danko's stats, the median balance sheet affluence!
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post Apr 6 2013, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 6 2013, 04:07 PM)
Ada meh? I thought need to be >2?  sweat.gif
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nandaiyo... >2 is like top end liao lor (ie. the top 75th percentile)

EDIT:
my bad Gark-san. U are right - just checked my Excel
2.49 is the "Median Balance Sheet Affluent Wealth Index (WX)" sweat.gif paiseh paiseh
hehe BIG HUGE 1 missing from my earlier blur 1.49
My apologies

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post Apr 8 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Halamdar @ Apr 8 2013, 01:29 PM)
Wwwwww.... /cry !

No lah... still need my daily starbuck latte..... my kid come along as well... and he always order food too .... tongue.gif
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So.. U prioritize yr Starbucks latte than financial freedom & options that comes with financial freedom.
If so, don't lar cry about your choices, right?
IMHO, in life, it's mostly a matter of priorities and choices that brings about the results we desire / not desire
Just a thought notworthy.gif

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post Apr 8 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 8 2013, 03:10 PM)
Save at home takut robber or bini curi go out buy LV or son curi go out buy porn DVD icon_question.gif

How? Apa pun mau takut, life no meaning liao cry.gif
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and thus Asset Allocation, then region allocation lor tongue.gif
At most kena curi a % only mar UNLESS ALL REGIONS goes down the drain + ALL ASSET CLASSes lar sweat.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 8 2013, 03:16 PM)
When that happens, it'd be anarchy everywhere, all governments fall rclxms.gif
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alo - in that scenario, $ is the least of your worries neh.
Even water, soap, powdered milk + dry oats/rice is worth several carts of gold / cash then.
Heck, parangs, crossbows & guns will be worth even more tongue.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 9 2013, 10:35 AM)
Have you heard of margin calls? If not better learn up.

If later margin calls, you have no physical cash to back up, the IB will fire sale all your shares at very unfavorable price. whistling.gif
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<shudders>... visions of 1997-1998.. cry.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(noprogambler @ Apr 9 2013, 09:46 PM)
Once your net worth reach RM1 million, then to get RM8 million should not be a problem. The 1st million is always the most difficult.
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er.. i'm having one heckuva forseeable pains getting to $8M within 10 years leh bro.. U sure no probs kar? tongue.gif
In theory or practice?
Can share some insights?
Other than usual live well below yr means, invest the rest and have good risk management i mean.
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post Apr 12 2013, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 12 2013, 07:44 AM)
2% EVERY MONTH..........for how long now?

At this rate your net worth will surpass WB very soon..............
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Gold bro, average is affected by high / lows gua.

IMHO - please shoot and advise (criticize with data & perspective) notworthy.gif
a. I think more realistic = "median" or the 50th percentile
My "average" since tracking monthly from 2009 is 2.49%pm (mostly due to sorok-ed bonuses' spikes)
BUT my median is 1.82%pm only.

b. I think for realism, one shd use a XX mths moving average or median, thus the previous old-old years' data don't over-skew "current reality".
eg.
For a moving 12-month's moving average: 2.05%pm
For a moving 12-month's moving median: 2.24%pm

c. In addition, one may also want to take a yearly ROE / net worth growth or a moving 12 months' ROE / net worth growth too, to put things in perspective
eg. 24% to 28% pa+/- for the past few months.

Thus, if i look at (a) to © with the examples above, i can figure out that...
1. looks like my "more current" (12 months' moving) net worth growth seems to be snowballing a bit faster than history (2009 onwards)
coz median for (b) & © correlates and is higher than (a)

2. Spikes are evident
looking at the disparity of average vs median for (a.) - thanks to my bosses <kiss kiss mmm nice shoes U have Sirs> notworthy.gif

3. There were some SEVERE dips in my past 12-months' growth
coz my 12-months' moving average is lower than my 12-months moving median.
Averages are greatly affected by outliers
Medians arent

Note - my starting pot small & lots of debts mar + started to save like heck, thus look big the % tongue.gif
Still slogging like an ant cry.gif
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post Apr 12 2013, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Apr 12 2013, 03:46 PM)
2% is a 12month moving average.  There are peaks and valleys of course, e.g. when I bought my car when I turned 28 or when my company paid compensation to me.

Overall since 2010 when I started to keep records my net worth grew by 267% not including my funds in Msia.

It will be tougher to keep my target of 2% a month due to law or large numbers.  I'll be re-evaluating this goal middle of this year when my wife starts to move in with me.  I foresee modest 1% growth per month is sustainable.

Currently my monthly spend is less than 30% of my nett pay, investments yield a modest avg 10% per annum according to last 4 yrs.  My monthly savings will most likely stay the same once my wife moves in, offset by lower taxes.  One off expenditure will increase however, as I need to pay for travel and holidays.  I need to reduce that impact by eating more at home and savings from cooking and buying for 2.
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whoa... nice.. 70%+ savings? notworthy.gif
i'm struggling to top 50% cry.gif - usually can hit about 40% to 45% pa savings on net income only
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post Sep 22 2021, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Sep 22 2021, 07:57 PM)
Protection overkill  rclxms.gif
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$40K pa may be just a single digit % of his/her income & assets to protect against catastrophic risks - thus may not be overkill.
highly dependent on the risks insured and whys
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post Jul 27 2023, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(johnnyenglish123 @ Jul 26 2023, 08:48 PM)
Thank you for your reply. Appreciate it.

To be honest for the past few months, some nights I am unable to sleep. Kept thinking..
Have the thought of grabbing a knife and stab through myself, while laying on the bed, whenever I couldn't fall asleep..
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Bruh / Sis - i used to wake up screaming, thinking of how to settle my 35 years' loans, CC debts, care for my coming child and new wife + that donkey tyres on my "inherited" old Wira needing to be changed.

i'm sure everyone had / has their dark thoughts in moments of dark despair - pull through by focusing on those U love and will willingly lose limbs and life for. When U focus on what U can do for them, plan and execute, then track - U will be having REASONS BIGGER THAN YOURSELF. That in itself will drive U towards the right paths and forward.

FYI - i've been in "very dark places" twice, once when married and expecting my child + another when divorced with my financials nuked, literally rebooted. Thus, sharing what worked for me (above).

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post Jul 27 2023, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(johnnyenglish123 @ Jul 27 2023, 10:59 AM)
How did you recover, quite a big hurdle you went through
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Just focused on "building" for my child's future - need $, need knowledge in $ management & investing, need knowledge in health management and being healthy to see my baby grow into a "good adult" who can work, save and invest for their future while being healthy and happy enough.

By knowing why and what is needed, then can plan and focus on "getting" and closing the gap, even health knowledge and health. Long slog and good habits need to be built but it gets easier over time as we build the base and grow from there. Tracking and managing / prioritizing helps a lot - it "game-ify" the slog, like a score biggrin.gif. ALWAYS COMPARE, your current self to your old self, not compare to others, and keep taking steps, however small, towards your goals/plans.

PS - 1 very useful thing other than "having a bigger reason than yourself", SIMPLIFY your life and stuff.
even in investing, simple is best.
simple is not easy though.

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post Aug 29 2023, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 29 2023, 12:58 PM)
we always talk about T1

we got the number now

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...es-rm161m/71679

In Malaysia, you just need RM2.2m in wealth to join top ‘one-percenter’ club unlike Singapore’s RM16.1m

KUALA LUMPUR, May 30 — How much do you need to be in the top 1 per cent of your country’s population in terms of wealth?

Just US$485,000 (or over RM2.2 million using today’s currency rates) in net wealth in Malaysia is all it takes for you to be categorised as the richest one per cent here, or to be richer than 99 per cent of the Malaysian population, according to property consultancy Knight Frank’s latest report.

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so low to be T1? maybe life is cheap (ie. throwaway discounted life) in MY? sweat.gif
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post Aug 29 2023, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 29 2023, 01:43 PM)
KV ftw

I won't want to retire in Singapore
Not everyone can achieve that, so I mean FIRE thread many wishing for 5 mil to retire, it's as if 99.5% of Malaysians won't be able to survive after retirement.

Life goes on.
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Yeah.. RM5m to retire, aiming for fat FI/RE (dragon?) i guess. RM2m+ should be good for lean FI/RE (worm?) for myself laugh.gif

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Aug 29 2023, 02:02 PM)
The stats when compared with DSOM's number...

T01 individual income is like 30K rm pm. 2.2 million is equivalent to 6 years of gross income.
If one is earning 30K, I would assume savings of 10K to 15K is fair.
So 2.2 million is 12 to 18 years worth savings.

Don't know if our life is too cheap or fair.... haha.
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drool.gif RM30K pm? that's like <counts fingers...> 300% of my last drawn.. i dont think need that high an income kua, to hit RM2M+ in investment assets if saved & invested over 20 years or so. sweat.gif

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post Oct 30 2024, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 30 2024, 08:38 AM)
The T15 income gomen set would be much lower than what you guys are earning

with  that income how many of us would use gomen hospitals when we fall sick?
what for we bought so much medical insurance then?

if we are driving Mercedes, Porche  better avoid asking for petrol subsidy
like those driving  protons or perodua.

rationalisation of subsidy is a necessity
not a luxury we cant afford.
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While i agree with U that most of us here with >$15K pm income don't need the petrol subsidy, what makes me sad is AI is creating another boogeyman / baba yaga - pointing at T15 and shouting "maha kaya!", demonizing us. Just like yester-years' keris kissing idiots pointing to "taukeh" and blaming them for the Sun setting in the West. sigh.. the more things change, the more they stay the same.. politicians and "divide and conquer"

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