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post May 12 2011, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(geolee @ May 12 2011, 12:51 PM)
Did u spend on renovation, wedding, further study?


Added on May 12, 2011, 1:05 pmStatus Married
Children - 0
FD - 0
Stock - 0
Mutual - 0
Savings 8K

3 houses
Own 30% PJ - 500K
Own 100% Puchong - 400K,
Own 10% Georgetown - 1 million

Installment Loan
rm2500 monthly

Credit Card Debt
rm10K

Max can save rm1K

I very "kek sim" every month....Any advise for me?

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GeoLee - y U "kek sim" ar? U've got 3 houses, 2 of which i "ass u me" (my apologies if i'm mistaken) is making U cash flow $ from rental.
Other than that - your other ratios are not in healthy shape IMHO (just an opinion). Spend less, pay off them Credit Card debt & build up yr cash savings as emergency buffer of at least 3 months average expenses. Then you'll have a good base to grow - especially when U have 2 properties making U $.

FYI - my own $ management for Net Salary (excluding all other income - all other income straight recycle into assets)
10% for Feel Good (charity, fun for self / others)
10% for emergency buffer (until built-up 6 months average expenses, then add to investment)
10% for investment
10% for education (books, classes, my child's SSPN)
10% for accumulation for future specific spending (ie. that changgih LED TV i've been eyeing)
50% for necessities

Mind U, before this, i was like nearly everyone else focussing on making $, not managing $ + making $.
Wasn't doing as well now and mind U, i've "just" (3 years ago) went through one of the bloodiest (in terms of bleeding $) times of anyone's life and lost more than 50% of my net worth.

Keep cost low + make more $ = double whammy of asset building biggrin.gif
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post Jun 6 2011, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 6 2011, 09:23 AM)
WOW! Now i know why the houses prices are up so high!

So much speculation.....hopefully you guys can stand a tremor when it comes........

4.5k salary owning 3 houses?  Good luck matey
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I was just about to ask the same tongue.gif as i couldnt really absorb how... maybe i'm just thick.

RZKB, i really can't make heads/tails of your net worth (again i'm a bit slow tongue.gif) unless i plonk down your data in a net worth spreadsheet, especially when your net salary should be about $4K pm + net rental income of about $1K, yet your monthly commitments are like.. whoa.

In addition, I understand U took a loan from BoP (Bank of Papa brows.gif) to invest in high yielding stuff - 30% per annum returns?! Looks like U are the dude that have to be sharing/teaching us these leh laugh.gif If one cant sustain a 30%pa returns year to year consistently, then one can beat even the Oracle of Omaha (i hope i got Buffet's nickname correct) drool.gif

Bottom line, something just doesn't tally and your D/E (debt to equity ratio) looks really lopsided (ie. highly geared/leverage) as yr cash flow seems to backed by that 30% pa returns. Well, if BoP stands firmly behind U, i don't think it's an issue but.... Murphy may have his ways.

Perhaps later i'll crunch your numbers via a spreadsheet mate, still running with some stuff.

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post Jun 6 2011, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jun 6 2011, 09:39 AM)
My networth keeps going down because the stock I've invested in keeps going down sad.gif
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Perhaps your net worth % is tied too much to 1 asset category AND sub-category. What are your EXIT rules or plans for this stock that has a huge impact on your net worth? I do hope U do have some in hand brows.gif

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post Jun 6 2011, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(SilverfoX @ Jun 6 2011, 03:09 PM)
Fuiyoh, u are one lucky fella. It's good to have a rich papa as back up.
But I think ur gf is more lucky la, every month gt pocket money wan.

26 y.o and ur net worth is more than half a mil
Plus future inheritance of 4million sum more. Very nice.
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Good karma / fate / etc. gua.

Oh well, this lemming's gotta go back to work.. i owe, i owe, off to work i go.. (to the tune of the 7 dwarves' hi ho, hi ho)
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post Jun 10 2011, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 10 2011, 02:16 PM)
Now i know why the housing price is sooooooo high....

Now i know many people at my age are earning good salary... looking back at myself.. Sigh!
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Different people, different circumstances. The main thing is to plan and do the best we can for ourselves, based on our needs, wants and principals right? smile.gif
Or just keep "keeping up with the Joneses" and be green eyed? tongue.gif
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post Jun 10 2011, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(jphlau @ Jun 10 2011, 02:58 PM)
If you don't do that, you would not improve yourself..
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Well, if i was a dumbass teenager, i'd agree tongue.gif but i guess that most people that have reached the MINDSET of maturity keeps improving themselves for bigger reasons other than that. Then again, that's just my opinion, a lemming's point of view blush.gif

Which is more important - The economy of the country/world OR your personal economy?
Bye bye Joneses (and they can keep their consumer debts, i aint going to follow them) brows.gif

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post Jul 26 2011, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(poolsurf06 @ Jul 26 2011, 08:28 PM)
he's right.. most of my friends are too..  not easy but not tat impossible either.. some of them degree is not even second upper..


Added on July 26, 2011, 8:29 pm

with overtime they would double their monthly pay..
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Er.. ppl earning $3K gets overtime? Nice.... which Company ar? I'd like to work with them heheh.

In about 8 companies i've been with (from MNCs to Chinamen Co. to DotComs), once yr basic is >=$1.5Kpm, U eat yrself for OT. Maybe lunch/dinner $ lar, which is like $10 to $50, depending on level and company.
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post Jul 28 2011, 07:00 AM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Jul 28 2011, 06:55 AM)
If parents are footing the bill on utilities and car loan (some others even include insurance), is this considered savings?

Its like income + parents contribution - expenses = savings? So what happens if income - expenses = (-ve) value, THEN parents contribution adds up to (+ve) value again?

Is this (+ve) value savings?

Ps. No offence at ntdote but your post triggered something I have been noting about some of the Gen Y'ers.

LYNers please clarify.
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Maybe to some (not all) Gen Y'ers, it's technically accounting accurate mar +ve savings but for general cow sense, it's -ve coz bank of papa & mama is invisibly keeping him afloat, else koyak already.

The good thing is the forumer knows he's in deep kaka and tries to do something about it. Perhaps instead of asking for help in investing, what he should be doing is simplifying his life and cut down expenses tongue.gif


Added on July 28, 2011, 7:02 am
QUOTE(poolsurf06 @ Jul 28 2011, 02:52 AM)
i intern b4 in a company where spm holder would get ~10k after overtime..driving toyota estima to work..  like they say..the world is not that small..

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Bro, thank U for reminding me that the world aint that small. I'm sure well connected peons/bankrupts have millions of $ too but they arent the norm lar tongue.gif.

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post Jul 28 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(how2wfh @ Jul 28 2011, 11:12 AM)
Hi everyone.

Sorry for not following the format. Just sharing some information on increasing your wealth...

Most of everyone knows how to earn money. But how many know how to master the inner game of wealth correctly?

I read this book called Secrets of Millionaire Mind by T. Harv Eker.
It's very good book to read as the money blueprint of most everyone is brought by parenthood or habit taught in the childhood. After reading the book, you have different view on money and how to think like millionaire mind and to be a one.
T. Harv Eker shares his failure and success stories in this book.

Just sharing the back of the book, one of the paragraph says
"Have you ever wondered why some people seem to get rich easily, while others seemed destined for a life of financial struggle? Is the difference found in their education, intelligence, skills, timing, work habits, contacts, luck, or their choice of jobs, businesses, or investments? The shocking answer is:None of the above!"

The book can find in any bookstores in malaysia. Last check on last week online, book stores are selling at RM34.90
If only RM34.90 can give you the secrets of millionaire mind and get you started to master the inner game of wealth,... is this worth to get one to find out your own? I did my own decision, i bought 5. Gave 3 away to my relatives & friends.

Thank you.
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Great minds think alike - I buy 5 copies to distribute yearly to relatives,friends & colleagues biggrin.gif Buy them during sales and stuff - only about $10 to $19. The simplified (can be tweaked a bit better imho) of 6 buckets for managing $ is a great base to build from.

hm... great minds think alike.. fools flock together.. whoa.. fine difference tongue.gif
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post Jul 29 2011, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Jul 29 2011, 06:52 PM)
Adopt the ways of the book in your life yet? Going to Time bookstore to look for the book and see how it goes.  biggrin.gif
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Already did since 2008 - hard as nails to live on 50% of net salary... heheh. However, as U get used to it and simplify, U get a tremendous turbo boost in net worth coz necessities cost down, while increasing income. Simple biz logic tongue.gif
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post Sep 2 2011, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(casperity @ Sep 2 2011, 01:26 PM)
Hi all sifus,

Age: 28
Occupation: Bizman
Marital Status: Single with gf
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Monthly Income : RM 10-30k
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Nice details, although i'm no seafood, may i take a stab at this?
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post Sep 2 2011, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(casperity @ Sep 2 2011, 02:25 PM)
The residential is under cont.
Shoplot receiving rental with -ve RM 1,500 / month tongue.gif

btw, what you stab on? I cannot get it.

You got a very geng excel program ler...wahaha

I got Milan one last time, but yours is more geng, can give comment some more.

Wahahha
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Take a stab at analyzing your data, in my own point of view lar tongue.gif. Forum mar - share ideas / point of view. My apologies if i'm intruding yar.

Hm.. -ve rental (ie. rental pm < mortgage pm) of RM1,500? That knocks down your monthly cash flow, which the lowest to be about $3K+.
Hehheh - phew, scary leverage in my opinion. Thus, i stay a working lemming tongue.gif

Overall, looks good net worth for a 28 yr old. Just watch out on your D/E leverage which needs good cash flow to support in case of hiccups.
Just an opinion - U may want to stash / asset allocate some % of your assets to bonds / bond funds IF U don't pay yrself EPF.

Milan? who's that? tongue.gif
Joking joking.

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post Sep 2 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(casperity @ Sep 2 2011, 02:44 PM)
Oic...I tot is sort of Rikimaru (Dota) skill..wahaha... Kidding also!

Thanks for your advise, I plan to give myself some EPF as it will help in my next loan in 2012, another shoplot !

I will fork up another RM 150k by the end of this year to restore my saving and emergency back up.

Just 2 cents to share, I have put a thick butter to all my mortgages / cars (1 year advance mortgage payment) to be auto instructed monthly. These advanced money is  excluded in my calculation and I always treated them as " not my money".
With that, I can buy more props more confidently.
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Bro - you're a man with a plan - one who can't be stopped, it's just a matter of time before U reach your minor & major goals notworthy.gif
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post Sep 2 2011, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(casperity @ Sep 2 2011, 02:48 PM)
Hi,

I am doing IT solution company.

I have another company doing some trading as well.

For me after I have gone through some trail and success bizs, I keep these two biz.

I find that is not about what biz which can bring you the money, is about WHO do the biz.

Cheers !
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Yup yup - best customers are PARTNERS IN GROWTH. Win win
other than that, er.. WHO becomes a bit grey/shady tongue.gif Ninja-dozo!
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post Sep 2 2011, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(casperity @ Sep 2 2011, 03:41 PM)
Hi,

My ultimate aims is NOT TO HAVE INSURANCE in coming years.

So I just put minimal portion for that.

I never view Insurance is any kind of investment or savings. As I gain no control on my $ by the time I put them in.
Similar to Mutual Funds.
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You're right - insurance is a no-win game, it's just coverage UNLESS you're looking to shield a sum from creditors for family to inherit

When U reach $0 insurance needed, in reality, U'd be "in-sourcing" the insurance, ie. self-insured biggrin.gif
My aim too heheh but for now, i still need DEATH (no, not life tongue.gif) insurance & Hospitalization insurance just in case cry.gif, to cover properties & self until all paid-up and i can more than afford to go zzz in a hospital (choi choi) laugh.gif

As for Mutual funds... U may want to look at bond funds bro.
IMHO, you're on the right track for Asset Allocation - Equities : Properties : Fixed Income
You've got your businesses (Equities), U got your properties, now.. Fixed Income (EPF, Bonds, Money Market, FDs).
Just a thought

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post Sep 2 2011, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(casperity @ Sep 2 2011, 04:51 PM)
mind sharing your net worth?
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blush.gif not as high as can be bro (hitting 40s soon) due to:
a. younger & dumber days activities
b. divorce.. yeouch! effectively more than 60% gone there due to pay out & rebuilding a new home for myself & my little girl
c. worker ant / lemming

Worried "someone" (no, NOT ah longs - worse) is looking here as i used my real name (and try pressing me for more) , thus, if i may give U an idea (but not exact figures) + percentages of asset allocation biggrin.gif

a. My current net worth is less than yours if U keep growing it at such rate until U reach my current age tongue.gif
Assuming U've been in biz for 5 years to create your net worth posted earlier, U'll definitely reach my current net worth by the time you're 38 rclxms.gif
If U've been in biz for less than 5 years (say 1 to 3), holy smokes - U'll cross my current net worth in about 5 to 6 years. notworthy.gif

b. Aim to hit >$3M in real assets (ie. excluding cars, furniture, etc.) by the time i chose to retire - achievable all else being samey samey (ie. markets up/down, no pay increase, no bonus increase, nada).
Lala-land Aim: to hit >$6M and leave at least $3M to charities and family.

c. Asset Allocation held currently.
Pls note that this is NOT my planned allocation - i allocated resources to buy assets via VALUE (buy good Companies' stocks during fear) or PROGRAMMATIC (every quarter using DollarCost + ValueCost averaging) but somehow it's all stuck in bonds & FD since mid 2010 tongue.gif.
Thank God since now it's a dip - mega sales coming soon.
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If U want more details and discussions (i'm all ears to learn from a biz person's perspective - btw, i'm also in the systems and solutions line BUT auto industry - worker mar), "private message" me brows.gif .

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post Sep 2 2011, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 2 2011, 08:07 PM)
@wongmunkeong,

I expect a simple answer of "RMXXXXXK" from your reply, who knows, you gave a looooooong answer...   rclxub.gif

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Dont lar sis Debbie - dangerous lar putting in ACTUAL numbers here, especially when i have "someone" looking to press me for more cry.gif

Anyways, back to biz - i think the sample of Asset Allocation tracking + Asset Allocation based on methodology used tracking is more important, a good example of "one view" can see one's risk exposure if sh** hits the fan blush.gif

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post Sep 2 2011, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 2 2011, 08:17 PM)
You just put a rough figure, who will know how much exactly you worth?  brows.gif

By the way, I really can't understand what you meant for the second paragraph....  unsure.gif
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Hehehe - rough figure also my antagonist may use against me leh tongue.gif

Anyways, 2nd paragraph = if U look at the snapshot JPG attached in my reply to bro's Q, U'd see a simple one-view to know:
a. Asset allocation held
b. Amount & % of assets invested with what Methodologies used
c. Risk (due to entry/exit methodologies) if market goes down

Just thought it'd be a useful point of view - something like a "management cockpit". Yeah yeah - i'm an IT guy brows.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 5 2011, 07:30 AM)
i am 49 years young.

Using Wong's spreadsheet

Assets

a) Fixed Income = 1.6 mil
b) Stocks, Equities = 1.2 mil
c) Investment Properties = 0.9mil 
d) Alternate = 1.35 mil

Liability

a) property = 0.15 mil

Income = 25k per month

Insurance = 1.2mil life cover

i plan to send my two children 12 and 16 years for overseas studies. - set aside Rm1mil each present value.
Plan to retire 58 years old with annual expenditure of Rm120k present value.

Is this achievable?
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Bottomline: YES achievable for both RM1M for children's education
AND your retirement
AND added bonus of having something to give back to society & your children's future generation
EVEN WITHOUT additional savings & additional investments (other than re-investing)
Caveat: Assuming (yes, THAT word again tongue.gif) that the %pa of expected growth/returns & average inflation %pa i used is close enough.

Details and for your own "cooking" of numbers, growth/returns %pa & inflation %pa, see attached
Normal disclaimers apply: Use at your own risk brows.gif

And yes, i concur with your perception of our local edutainment.. oops, i mean education tongue.gif
In addition, giving our children options and experiences overseas is good if one can afford to without killing oneself - which U obviously can rclxms.gif

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post Sep 5 2011, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 5 2011, 10:13 AM)
Are you satisfied with the country you are currently in ?

If you are, then what you have planned in the above is right - basically set aside funds to finance your children's studies in future. However, be very careful of how you nurture them, what mois said is very true. Many kids sent overseas without proper guidance end-up 'being in Disneyland', and they return to Msia with nothing except for a piece of paper.

If, on the other hand, you are not satisfied with the country that you are currently in, or yearn for adventures personally, then work towards a PR-status in the destination country, which will be your chosen country for yourself and your future descendants.

With a PR, the education costs will be lower, you will be staying near to your children whereby you will be able to monitor and nurture them continuously because you will be staying with them. And you can start a new life in your preferred country, follow the laws of that country and live with the people there.

Two possible paths to take !
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On this idea (migration then education), just to share what i read over the weekend on Australia (AU)migration:
1. To qualify for migration based on retired investor: minimum AUD750,000 investments in AU
+ need to proof monthly income (when in AU) of AUDx,xxx per month
2. Ppl migrating via such method are not entitled to "free"/gov sponsored health care
3. Processing fee for "consultants" RM40K to RM50K

Mind U, i was flipping through and EXACT details may be off a bit tongue.gif

There are of course other methods of migration to AU (too detailed to post here) - U can read it in this month's Personal Money magazine if i'm not mistaken on the source (read too many donkey stuff over the weekend since my little girl was away with her mother cry.gif )

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